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I *just* missed the January build, so the car went into the February build. The dealer reported a late first week February build, end of Feb. onto the ship date, and it arrived in San Diego 3rd week of March. A week to get to Northern California, dealer prep. etc. and I was driving March 30.
It was an agonizing wait, but well worth it. Amazing car. Zero problems at delivery +400mi. I'll post periodic mileage updates, and if anyone has questions about the 4.2 model, feel free to ask. Best advice I can give? Get the full sport package for the suspension! Not at all harsh, flat in the corners, lowers the car a bit plus bigger wheels and tires (looks really nice).
For pictures see: http://www.parallaxview.com
The telephone option ($495 MSRP) is great -- NO DROPOUTS, unlike my digital phone -- and I was able to get a package from my carrier that "turned on" my factory phone for $10.00 a month. And, when I am driving, I just forward my wireless portable phone # to my Audi. If you need a phone while driving, this is very nice. Also, you can add the factory phone at the dealer. FYI.
I saw the Silver A6 4.2 at the factory in Ingolstadt with an incredibly beautiful Camel Colored Leather Sport Interior. I tried to order it that way and Audi of America said Na Baby Na. The only "secret" order you can place is for Pearl White Paint. The sport seats, suspension and wheels make significant driving differences with very little ride quality changes -- I know you will love yours.
Agree on the 6spd too.
No problems either (4 months and almost 5K miles), but I do not like the Pirelli P6000 tires that it came with. My 2000 A6 4.2 had Dunlop Sp9000's and they were better in rain, curves, road noise and they lasted about 20K miles -- I have had the P6000's (Z rated) before and they will be long gone before that.
My dealer is really flaking on the map CD. He said it would be FedEx'd to me yesterday: no delivery. Apparently it didn't go out for delivery today (Tues. 4/3) either. Bummer. My partners here at my company have a BMW X5 with nav, and getting directions from your car is a great tool!
Anyone have a West Coast CD they want to loan me for a day? Gotta love digital discs, so easy to copy.
As you can see from the photos, my car came with Continentals. I like 'em so far.
You make a really great case for the phone. What is the per-minute fee you got along with the $10/month?
Finally found one fault in the car as delivered: the shoulder height adjustment on the passenger side seat belt (in the B-pillar) is installed a little off and will not slide up or down. Can't seem to push it into position myself, so will have to have the dealer take a look. I hope they don't have to take the pillar apart, as it always makes me nervous at the possibility of new creaks and squeaks.
I'm having the windows tinted this Friday, and that will about do it for now I think. I'm just trying to find more hours in my day to drive! Will have to use the weekends. Haven't really tossed the car around yet - my wife doesn't like the hot-rodding around, so I'll have to go early one day by myself.
Bought 1,800 minutes a month with a wireless hand held phone for $39.95 (600 peak and 1,200 off peak, no LD chrge).
This phone has phone #1.
Activated Audi car phone -- free activation.
Went to Audi dealer -- which is done after activation, to "turn on the steering wheel buttons."
Audi has phone #2, but it is "billed" as if I was using phone #1 -- which is to say, I have a pool of minutes -- and it doesn't matter if #1 or #2 uses the minutes. So my monthly cost "free calls" is now $49.95 -- then I get charged for air time after my 600 peak and 1200 off peak. I think it is another $10.00 to raise the 600 to 900 and the 1,200 to 1,500 -- so far it has not been an issue, because so much of my phone time in the car is apparently "off peak." I have burned through the 600 minutes once in the past four months.
The Audi system is telephone hi-fi and even the volume is controlled on the steering wheel -- the Navigation Lady's voice will come on just loud enough to hear it over the phone or tape, radio or CD that may be playing (her volume is adjustable, too). And, yes you are right the Nav system is fantastic -- I finally got mine set the way I like it -- which is to say "Fast Route." Mine came with a default of "Short Route" -- which may be shorter but is often much longer (time.)
Re-route is great too. The system is almost uncanny and is accurate at minimum 95+% of the time to within a few feet. One or two times it "got confused" but one of those was after a major highway had been changed from a left bend to a right bend (a new CD annually would appear to be a good thing at least here in the Orange Barrel Cap of the midwest -- Cincinnati).
The Navigation system is one of THE most useful features I have ever seen -- when I bought it I thought it would be cool and possibly used from time to time. I use it regularly -- even in areas of my city I thought I knew. It always seems to "get me there faster." It goes ways that I "know" but would never think to use -- time and time again, I find myself relying on this tehcnology. And it seems to know 90%+ of the restaurants in Cincinnati -- and although we are a small city, we have a TON of fine restaurants and the Audi Lady just guides me to them without fuss.
Oh yes, in Germany, front Parktronic is available as an addition to rear parktronic, but not the other way around (front parktronic has an off on switch unlike rear Parktronic).
Enjoy your new Batmobile.
Parktronic:
I've posted this over on AudiWorld.com, but no feedback.
Before I go hunting for the sound source (speaker), I was hoping that I could adjust the volume of the parktronic in some way. It is WAY, WAY TOO LOUD! I'm blasted by it up front, and for rear passengers it's like electroshock therapy. Haven't spent any time looking for the source (and I'm hoping that it's not coming through the stereo system...). No info in the manual.
The single chirp as I go into reverse is a wake up, and the warning chirps as I get close to something are just too much. I'd almost prefer that it was off, if the volume cannot be adjusted.
Ideas?
Telephone:
Thanks for the info. Out here, I use SprintPCS. I might look into the phone for the car, sounds like a nice setup.
P.S. Gave the dealer some grief this am - though I feel that I'm suffering more of that than he is :-), and now expect my disc tomorrow.
Some promo they were having just around Christmas.
Not perfect coverage by any means, but okay for my needs.
Sorry I couldn't be of help.
BTW, delivery end of June,(Wanted a 2001, dealer says no changes for 2002, face lift only for A4):
A6 4.2
Guidance
Premium
Sport
No one at my dealership knows anything about a 2002 facelift -- they do know about an S6 Avant and a "completely new" A4 however.
Enjoy!
Thanks to everyone's postings, the decision was easy one.
Is there anything to look out for on the car?
This $55+K car -- unless an absolute Lemon or the survivor of a near total crash is being traded in this soon?
What could BMW have -- other than a 740 w/Sport (which would be just about $70K) that would even come close (there just can't be any M5's available -- I would presume)?
And, if you didn't like the A6 'cause it was too downscale for you -- how about an S8 -- sweeet!
Wow. I thought I went through cars (virtually always Audi's quickly).
Inquiring minds want to know the story on this one.
And, unless it has high milage for its age. Snatch this puppy up and put a new set of tires on it (if it needs them) and drive off into the sunset!
Seriously, I am keenly interested why someone would get rid of this car, so young, so tender, so rarin' to go?!?
iniaudi
M5 -- now it makes sense.
The sonic variables are Volume and Tone (pitch).
According to my service manager @ Northland Audi in Cincinnati @ 513-851-5900 (ask for Bill Fleihman) -- there is a computer input in the A6 that will allow Partronic to be changed. You hook up the Audi computer cable to the input that is built into the car and hit a four digit code and ta da a screen comes up that tells you what can be altered -- too loud, you say? Turn it down. Don't like the pitch? Change it up or down a bit (the range is not great, but it is noticable).
They think the tone actually comes through either the sound system or telephone speaker that is built in -- I was unable to confirm this, tho.
Hope this helps.
I really don't understand the attitude at these Audi dealerships. Well over $50K for a car, and they treat you like the enemy. They are so lucky that the cars are so awesome. If the BMW's were a little better I'd be there in a flash.
Finally received my map disc - it works great, I love it! I drove past a suggested turn because I knew that I wanted to go a slightly different way than it was suggesting. After a couple of tries to get me to make a u-turn, it calculated a new route based on the direction I was headed. Useful and fun!
Even the technician was helpful and friendly -- and of course they washed my car, changed the oil, filter, rotated the tires, checked pressure and put a new set of wiper blades and checked all the fluid levels.
In other words they did everything they were supposed to do -- even though this was a very short service trip, they loaned me a 2001 2.7T for the two hours that the car was in the shop -- and they gave me a doughnut at 9AM from the "Friday delivery" -- heck they even let me pick first.
Now, get this, they asked how my wife was (she with the TT) and if everything -- was right with the world.
While I do consider taking a car in for service inconvienient -- these guys do make it a pleasure. I think Audi would love to hear from you -- there IS a customer advocate in Auburn, Hills MI -- she can be reached by US mail @:
Ms. Carol Glynn
Audi Brand Loyalty Manager
3800 Hamlin Road
Auburn Hills, MI 48326
This person, Carol Glynn, sent my wife and me to St. Moritz in December 2000 as a "thank you" for being a long term loyal Audi of America customer; here's what she did for us -- sent us to Zurich, picked us up in a limo drove to St. Moritz, put us up in a 5 star hotel (Badrutt Palace), offered shuttle service to the ski slopes anytime we wanted (and free private lessons with an Olympic Silver Medallist and Utah hopeful), gave us front row seats for the women's downhill skiing contest -- in a carpeted, heated tent at the bottom of the mountain -- spending money, Audi clothing, a sleigh ride and Alpin greeting w/dinner, an Audi semi-formal Gala at the Badrutt Palace in St. Moritz -- a more or less personal concierge "from Iowa, no less" -- transportation back to Zurich and all meals, including drinks -- we (the 18 Americans, 2 Canadians, and 70 Europeans) were treated to the best of the best at all times. What a great four day trip -- they even allowed us to upgrade to First Class airfare (with our FF miles) on the transocianic flight.
We met many Audi owners and some non-Audi owners -- one man said, "I have purchased 30 vehicles from Ford, and they won't even buy me a damn beer!"
The other hospitality stories and events and gifts that Audi has bestowed on my wife and me since 1978 is beyond belief -- execpt IT IS TRUE -- Audi, unlike any other car company -- including, Porsche, BMW, Jaguar, any Japanese mfg, even Lexus, is so far ahead of the game of customer appreciation, that if they stopped today, the other car companies would take YEARS to catch up. This was the story we heard in St. Moritz time after time.
One guy had had both 50 mercedes and 50 Audi's in his car lifetime -- Mercedes doesn't even send him cookies when he buys a car, he complained -- Audi always sends us a tin of cookies -- we usually get one or two tins a year ('cause we buy one or two Audis every year.) Audi of America and our dealership has virtually mastered the art of appreciation.
So sorry your dealership doesn't treat you like Northland Audi -- I always tell my friends it is a two way street -- I want to be delighted as a Customer and I also treat the dealership with great respect in return. In fact @ Christmas, we send the dealership (both sales and service) the biggest fruit basket Harry and David sells along with a card thanking them for their great work.
It really does work both ways -- we vote with our dollars. If your dealer treats you like crap -- go elsewhere, "tell on them," or kill 'em with kindness -- whatever works. Become their best friend and, in my experience, they will reciprocate.
Good luck.
I also read where Audi's next new thing (when?) is the CVT (constant variable trans). It is just around the corner (2-3 years). Any comments for or against. I can't imagine not being able to down shift.
My nickles worth. Thanks to all that respond.
iniaudi
I read an article that said a 44 pound lighter 6 speed Tiptronic was coming too, and that it could handle significantly more torque than the current 5 speed Tip. My best guess is that the 6 speed Tip will first be avail in an A8, then a top of the range A6, etc. The article boasted that a 6 speed Tip had "all the advantages of a manual and all the advantages of a CVT" -- in that it could endure high torque, was able to keep the engine in or near its sweet spot (of torque) without much drama and that almost like a CVT the 6 Speed Tip could provide smooth almost undetectable shifts (and apparently was an incredibly reliable technology).
I guess our shifting days are numbered. And, even though these new breeds of transmissions may be "better" -- accuracy, smoothness, performance, economy than the manuals -- will they be as much "fun?" My Tip in my V8 A6 is very nice -- but using the manumatic mode doesn't fool me -- I long for the shifting of my 1995 S6!
BTW, I test drove the S8 today and I think the A6 4.2 is great already. Its performance and handling beats the A6, w/ sports pkg, hands down.
Yes the S8 will out do the A6 4.2 w/sport any day -- but perhaps the comparison isn't "fair."
The A6 -- no matter how sported up is not an "S" Audi, and unfortunately for those of us who want it to be thus (an S rival), an A6, at $20 - $30,000 less can't cut the mustard. The "best" A6's in the US -- today -- are the 2.7T and 4.2 w/the sport package (& 17" wheels -- on the 2.7T).
Now, the S6 is probably a horse of a different color. The main reason for my assumption that an S6 will be the (temporary) king of the Audi S cars -- when and if it comes to the US as a 2002 S6 Avant (only?) -- is that it is based on the newest technology that the Audi Sedans are presenting to the buying public, and the 8's, no matter in what form, are based on considerably older technology (first year 1994), even though it (the technology) and they (the A8's, A8 L's and S8's) have been continuously improved.
I drove the 8 and it is awesome -- and it was $81K. Somebody please let me win the lottery and I will probably go for one (even in current body style and technolgy). But, "somebody" (from Audi of America) please bring a maximum S6 (non-avant) to the US -- and I will once again trade in my young 2001 A6 4.2 w/sport and all the toys and (based on what I have read -- I do not have first hand experience) show the S8 my tailights. Especially if it has a 6spd manual or 6 spd Tiptronic.
Although the rumor mill says the real maximum (that mere mortals can afford) "S" variant will be the next generation S4 with 300 (non-blown) hp and the new body and chassis set up (with sporting extras, of course) of the 2002 A4.
So many to choose from, so little time, so little money.
Then, of course there is the new W12.
Audi Car Lust is so expensive -- especially for the impatient.
So, I'll suffer it out for a while I guess with the A6 4.2 w/sport (which @ a newly turned 5K miles on the odometer, seems like it has finally "broken - in").
Woe is me.
Just kidding.
For now though, a question:
My dealer did not give me any advice, and I haven't read the manual very thouroughly yet, so does anyone have any recommendations about what the A6 4.2 should have as a break-in period? This car is so wonderful to drive, but I'm holding back on the pedals (brakes as well as throttle) for fear of doing harm before everything has had a chance to get seated/broken-in. I'll pass 500 miles today.
Thanks!
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Good luck and welcome to the A6 family.
Your friend's Volvos dealer is correct. Volvos switched to a water-based solvent for their paints several years ago. It's much better on the environment but it does take a little longer to cure. Once it cures it is no different than any other high-end paint but an owner has to be careful to not get those fine whirl marks in the paint (more accurately the clear coat) that automatic car washes can cause (for new or old paint). I never use automatic washes anymore unless I'm in a pinch and can find a touchless version.
Thanks.
-rdo
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There are so many moving parts in a new car that break-in is really important. Please try to keep the revs down for 1000-1500 miles at least. This will prevent any scarring of bearrings, etc; that will give you poor performance and gas mileage for the life of the car.
Washing -
PLEASE do not take your car to a car wash if at all possible. The soap is so strong (to clean in one pass) it is guaranteed to strip your wax, and the brushes, strips, whatever, will rub the dirt from the previous dirty car into your nice paint, causing scrathes. If you wash your car every week, it goes fast and will save your paint. Be sure to use a car wash, such as Zip Wax or Westley's and not any type of household soap or detergent.
He said he was told to drive it on the Autobahn right out of the factory parking lot -- and he was told, drive it as fast as the traffic circumstances allow.
He said that he did not personally recommend such disregard for a break-in period and suggested that I not run the RPMs over 2/3 of red-line for the first 600+ miles (minimum).
My wife's 2001 225HP TT just turned 14K miles and she says it really started to "open up" after 12K -- my 2001 A6 4.2 just turned 5K miles and besides feeling more potent, it seems to growl all the more pleasingly under heavy or full throttle.
I generally "side" with the break-in crowd, and do not plan to go 10,000 miles between oil changes -- even with semi or full-syn oil -- 5,000 miles between changes in plenty, even if I have to pay for every other oil change.
I have personally had more problems with Audi brakes requiring break-in than any other component -- if not treated right for the first 100 -200 miles the rotors seem prone to developeing a shudder and then requiring replacement (generally front only).
Your gear shift indicator light is probably burned out as is mine. Other bulbs might also be out. Apparently the gear light is actually the LCD, which will cost a bunch to replace and they are generally prone to fail when the dash is opened up. My heat guages start from rest (full left) and when fully warm are at 1/4 to 1/3 from left. BTW I paid $9,500 in December, books said $15-$17,400 considering the hi miles. Since then I have ponied up an additional 350 (timing belt) 800 (rack) and recently 500 for some really nice rim protectors.
Good luck,
P
Defects:
- Front passenger seatbelt height adjuster is jammed - I can't pop it back into place. Hopefully the dealer will be able to without taking apart the whole B-pillar.
Nitpicks:
- The suspension has more float than I expected with the sport suspension. Maybe I'm not used to a 4000+ lb. car, and it is after all, a four-door sedan. Sometime I'll go test drive the competition and probably realize how nice it is.
- Will have the dealer reprogram the Parktronic beep(s) to a lower volume. Will also send them my hearing damage bill. :-) It's so loud I don't think I can wait 'till the 5K service.
- Assembly of front door pockets seems below par. Good materials etc., and the little doors stay shut, they just don't seem to align well when shut (the rear-most part of the rear pocket doesn't seem as flush as it could be).
- Will have the dealer reset the airbag light which came on as a result of having the windows tinted (the guy had to do some disassembly in the back...but did an EXCELLENT job).
Nitpicks I knew about in advance:
- I sure wish I could have ordered a manual transmission with the 4.2. The TIP is okay, but just okay. It's hard to know exactly what it's going to do - with a manual, I KNOW. Perhaps I'm just not used to it yet. The whole package runs at amazingly low revs when just tooling around. I often see 1200-1300 rpm there. Also, why is the TIP offset to the passenger side of the car? I've accidentally bumped it back into the full auto side at least 4 or 5 times; it's just too easy to pull or bump toward you (the driver).
- Now that I've had time, I still don't like or think that the rear seating arrangement was a good choice on Audi's part. The center seating position should at least have a three-point belt.
Good Stuff:
- V8. Smooth wonderful power - lots of each. I'm looking forward to getting out of the break-in period. I almost wish the exhaust were a little louder.
- Sport Package. While I do sense a little wallow and float, I cannot complain about the excellent control and very little body roll. Handles bumps mid-corner nicely and left-right-left type maneuvers are smooth. The 17" wheels and tires look great, and the Conti's are okay, but again, I look forward to pushing more as I get up to and past a reasonable break-in mileage.
- Interior. Fantastic design coupled with first rate materials and fit and finish. A wonderful place to be.
- Exterior. I'd have said that this car was a real visual sleeper before I took delivery. Now that I've been driving it, I can say that it gets so much attention that I'm a little embarrassed! People walking along actually stop to look at it. The fit and finish are perfect.
- Navigation package. Not just fun but useful too. It's amazing to me that it works so well.
- Problem free; no windshield distortion, no rattles or squeaks, no front license plate, no this-that-and-the-other-thing(s) at all.
Probably forgetting a bunch of stuff, but as it's most likely all good stuff, oh well. I am so happy that I made the choice of this car vs. the others I was considering (BMW, Mercedes). It's really an awesome machine.
For pics see:http://www.parallaxview.com
P.S. Go to www.audiworld.com in the A6 forum for some pics with the window tint.
Thanks for the responses re: break-in. I will never wash this car in a car wash. No excuse in San Francisco Bay Area to not get out there and hand-wash the car.
M
My only real disagreement with your opinion is that I do like the rear seat -- but I look at the rear seat of the A6 4.2 as a 2 place; rear bucket seats. Personal preference.
Having had the non-sport suspension A6 4.2 (2000) w/17" wheels/tires I can attest that the sport package is a big improvement. Yet, I agree with you -- I was hoping for a bit more "sport." I guess that is what is on the S6. Frankly, I think the sport suspension and wheels and tires should be "standard" on this car -- the "comfort" suspension is way to floaty.
The light light power steering is good a speeds below 20 or 25, but does not stiffen up enough for the twisties for my tastes.
You know, I suspect we both wanted S6's and these A6's are meant to be the luxury sport offering, not the sport luxury version (drive a new S8 and you will see what the S guys can do.) A 6 spd manual would go a long way toward changing this perception for me -- especially since there is STILL no S6 sedan coming for sure for sure.
My understanding is that there is a sportier version of the suspension which lowers the ride another 10mm over the sport option, also I have read that there is a shorter final drive ratio (higher numerically) available and a different steering option that reduces the turns of the wheel lock to lock by about 25% -- finally, I believe there is a brake upgrade (Brembo?), cat back exhaust and spoilers to "sport up" your Executive A6 4.2.
But since much of this -- even the bits that are "factory" sanctioned -- costs fairly big bucks, it seems like it would be better just to get the real thing -- a genuine Audi S6 or S6+ -- except, they aren't available in North America.
None of the above is meant to imply or state regret -- I am very satisfied with the 2001 A6 4.2 w/sport package and the standard ESP -- the car performs virtually flawlessly and as a repeat buyer, I can say I plan to repeat again and again -- but hopefully next time with an S6 -- 24 months to go on the lease. C'mon Audi of America -- read the Market. Why an S8 @ $80K came to the US before an S6 is beyond me.
Go figure.
This information was from the second week of March 2001.
You Audi dealer or your MSRP or something is "out of wack."
Of course even if the price was IDENTICAL on the 530 and the 2.7T, when we drove both (both Automatics by the way), there was NO comparison, the Audi was much quicker and quieter and it was about $2K less sticker (then see above for true retail). The Audi was not quite $47K MSRP and the Bimmer was just about $49K.
The Audi did not have the Nav package, nor the factory Phone -- did have leather, etc.
Try again -- the Audi "should" be a better deal -- we already know it is (or should be) a better value.
Good luck!
Currently I have Nemo Blue -- it is OK, not great tho.
We're in No. Calif. The BMW they would only take $500 off MSRP. Loaded, without nav. or phone, came to $47,000. A lease for 3 years, 15,000 mi., $5,000 down on BMW would be $757.02. The Audi, 2.7t 6-sp. loaded except nav. and phone, lease is for $877/mo.
Do you think the Audi dealer just messed up? I was going to tell them we want the Audi if they could adjust their pricing somehow. My husband won't go for the difference in price, especially when he's leaning a little towards the BMW. Doesn't like the BMW "image" though. That's going in my favor (for the Audi).
I'm glad to hear you really liked the pearl white. I think it's nice, a little on the yellow tone, though. But I think it may be the best choice out there for me, going with the melange interior. I sure appreciate the input!
MSRP: $46,900
Sale Price: $44,000
Term: 36 months
Down: $0 / $5,000
Milage: 15,000/year 15,000/year
Monthly: $681.23 / $528.09
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Term: 39 months
Down: $0 $5,000
Milage: 15,000/year 15,000/year
Monthly: $655.02 / $512.57
===== Source Audi of America Web Financial Calculator
With the discount on the Audi, plus the lack of discount on the Bimmer, plus your $5,000 down payment -- the Audi HAS to be less per month, apples and apples.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards.
P.S. What dealer?