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The Edmunds writeup on the new RS6, states "Six cylinders, Four doors, Two intercoolers." I hope this glaring error underneath the article's title is soon corrected. Editor???
Can anyone provide me with some thought? I have a 2000 A6 - quattro. I have had a few problems since about 12 months after I bought this car. It has been kinda disappointing to have so many minor interior problems for a vehicle of $35,000 -$40,000 price tag. Anyways, recently I brought my car in to get the fuse for the Drivers side master window switch replaced. After I picked up my car and started driving it again at speeds of 75 - 80 mph I started hearing a whistling noise coming from the front of the car. Its obviously the wind but I cant seem to pin point why and how before I dropped it off with my dealer there was not "whistling" noise but after I picked it up this "whistling" noise started. Could it be coming from the vents? windshield? windshield wipers? Thanks for your help....
with that comment.
I am currently in the market for a 2001 or 2002 A6 4.2. I am using the Edmunds price guide to get a feel of what would be a reasonable price.
Should I expect to pay close to the Edmunds price line? Lower? Higher? Any input is greatly appreciated.
if due to repair is probably from the driver's door. The noise might be reflecting off the windshield giving the impression of coming from the front.... Check that the door panel is secure and the door seals aren't damaged. Any other possibility is a wild guess without being able to hear the noise.
The price guide is a great information and negotiating tool. I think I remember that it is geographically adjusted. This is important as the used market for Audis differs greatly in different parts of the U.S. If it is so adjusted, you should be able to find a deal close to what Edmunds suggests if you negotiate effectively.
I think Edmunds provides an explanation of how these prices are arrived at. I would study that explanation to be confident in the methodology, and to be prepared to defend the estimates when negotiating.
I recently purchased a 1996 A6 wagon. It drives and rides beautifully, but numerous (expensive) electrical problems have popped up...most have been solved but I seem to find that electrical parts on this car are extraordinarily finnicky. Perhaps readers can help me solve one nuisance. On my former Subaru I drove with the lights on, and when I turned off the key the lights all went off. With this Audi, when I turn off the key the headlights go off...but the parking lights and tail lights remain on. This defeats the entire purpose of the headlights going off, since I then STILL have to turn off the headlight switch manually. Any help?
One additional area is of great interest to me. Since I may look for another used Audi (it could be an A4, A6, or V8) do you readers have any advice on models or years that are more "trouble free"? I am aware that motors changed in certain years. And in reading about problems with the 2000-2003 years, it appears that plenty of problems still exist even though the cars are newer. I have read a number of Audi sites and it very dificult to decipher enough good comparable information. Any help here? Thanks.
I do not know anyone rich enough to afford a used Audi -- new ones cost less by far.
Although my statement above is not entirely accurate, it is -- in spirit -- dead on. Audis (and they are not alone) are very expense to acquire and maintain "used" -- even if you lease one yourself and then in effect, buy it for yourself.
Audi maintenance costs can be breathtaking and repair costs are some times bankrupting. An extended or aftermarket warranty is something that should be considered.
It is so much "cheaper" to consider a brand new Audi than almost any used one -- if you have that much money, please make a donation to one of my favorite charities and lease a new one. You'll spend the same amount either way.
And, I say this as a big fan of -- not basher of -- Audis.
For specific questions on C4 platform (Pre-'98) A6's I suggest you visit the appropriate AW forum -
I generally agree with Mark's comments regarding the cost of a new lease vs. out-of-warranty ownership costs, though I've never done an exhaustive study. Certainly, dealer maintenance on an out-of-warranty Audi can be prohibitive. I haven't investigated independent mechanics and non-OEM parts, and whether this route could significantly reduce on-going maintenance cost. I have read posts on AW from people who work on their cars themselves with some success. Perhaps Gene has this level of interest and skill, if so, it could be a very different situation.
As to models and years, in the A6 family, typically newer is better. Post '01 cars seem to have comparatively few problems. 2000 was an earlier model year where average reliability improved, except for the then new 2.7T. Don't know a lot about A4's. A8's are supposed to be very reliable, and depreciate a great deal. If this is a consideration, you might explore the cost of one used.
Forest Lakes, AZ
"If you can't afford to buy one new and/or pick up an extended warranty. . .go elsewhere."
This board refers to where you'll most likely end up as the land of "soul-less" vehicles. Others have different names for them.
Anyway, you heard it first from those who know best.
I have purchased -- yes purchased -- a used Audi. Also purchased a used BMW.
In 1988 purchased an 87 5000 CS turbo quattro -- it had 20K miles and it came with "brand new" tires, rotors, brake pads and was "perfect." It had 30K of original factory warranty left. I kept it until, 49,999. I loved this car -- it had lots of stuff get replaced under the warranty. Except for the power seats, I think every power do dad on the thing needed replacement. I never had any engine or trans problems.
We bought a used BMW 325ix in 1988 -- it was a 1988 model with 11K miles on it. The owner didn't like the BMW AWD interpretation apparently. This was the single most expensive car to maintain I have ever had -- $100 oil changes and no "Audi advantage" or whatever to cover the "normal" maint costs. When the battery died -- we sold the car -- this was at 36k miles -- we took a $5k bath we were so frieghtened of the costs of maint on the thing.
Soul-less NOPE, none of them have been. Fun to drive, YEP, all of them. Reliability -- well that's all over the board. Having a couple of dozen of Audis, I can tell you they are fantastic cars -- and for many (even with free maint) they require too much TLC.
A used A8 -- young in milage with Audi Advantage left on it -- would probably be a major bargain, as they plummet in value. To be "fair" so do 7 series Bimmers.
Now some on this board, and accurately so, needle the rest of us about our willingness to put up with German (or better said European car) reliability.
To each his own.
I love the drive -- I certainly would prefer the joy of fill it with gas, and forget it (don't think I think otherwise) -- and that (the love) is why I keep coming back.
Blasphemy this weekend -- my wife says to me "VW's keep getting better, maybe we should consider one of them next time -- if the dealer experience would be as good as the Audi dealer experience."
Then this issue too will certainly raise the ire of some who decry Audi and VW dealerships (they claim they are very poor, almost American car bad, according to some).
ALL CARS, no matter from whence they come -- are expensive (in every sense of the word). They can be appliances or they can be entertainment -- most of us want the reliability of a "Maytag" and the fun factor perhaps in equal doses.
One school of thought says buy an Accord and love its reliability for a couple hundred thousand miles and then throw it away.
That isn't my school of thought.
Heck, the economy may make me go back to school -- if things don't improve soon. Maybe then, I'll be over on the Honda or Toyota board touting reliability and functionality. In the mean time, I'll wish for those traits while I enjoy the fun part of Audis.
Here's hoping for the best of both worlds, soon!
I just purchased an off lease '99 A6 automatic that was meticulously cared for. It has 50000 miles on it. Prior to my purchase it had a valve gasket job done. My problem is this....when the car is started after a long layover...first thing in the morning or after it sits at my office all day....when put in drive it revs to 4000-5000 on the tach. before dropping into 2nd gear. After this initial start it is fine. If left for only minutes to a few hours it starts fine. Any thoughts????
I saw a '97 Audi A8 w/ 73,000 miles "on sale" in a dealer's lot the other day for $19,995! I'm sure that even in '97 that Audi must have stickered for around $60,000+!
In 97 An A8 -- like the one I had was just shy of $70K, the price dropped in subsequent years.
Get an extended warranty and/or maint package if possible. This thing is really pricey to maintain.
Now I see why you lease instead of buy Audis every 3 years! $40~$50,000 of depreciation over a little more than 5 years is simply amazing!
The A6 is designed so that when it is completely cold, it will hold 2nd gear for 5 or 10 seconds until the exhaust is hot enough to "light-up" the converters. It may be that if you drive off at even moderate speed, the engine will momentarily rev high, but you're in 2nd, not first gear. Without 80% throttle application, the tranny shifts out of 1st almost instantly. If this isn't what's happening, I'd vote for a sensor problem, but have no idea which one.
When I got my A8 in 1996, it was practically the first one in Cincinnati -- and although the sticker was high, the financing was based on a money factor equivalent to .9% interest, the car was heavily discounted and my payments for a 36 month lease were about $1K with no money down.
I did not keep the car full term, but except for the fact that it had a 5spd non-tip transmission, went through tires every 18K miles and had many -- 100% covered things go wrong, it was great. I put the S8 suspension and bigger tires on it -- the thing was way comfortable and for its size handled very well.
Depreciation -- like falling off of a cliff.
Rent what depreciates, buy what appreciates, that's my motto.
Any built in 97 A8's would probably be quite inexpensive and if they were "clean" would be very nice cars indeed -- do remember the aftermarket warranty however!
Considering that the latest A8 is probably going for almost the same sticker that your '97 went for-would you speculate that the rate of depreciation is going to be the same? Would you venture that someone could pick up a clean '03 A8 w/73,000 miles in the year 2008 for about $20,000 even allowing that the newest car is vastly superior in features and performance compared to your '97?
Depreciation is a many splendored thing -- who knows if the NEW and improved A8 will plummet in % of MSRP retention.
Most of the big buck cars like this do depreciate quickly. And if you are looking for one that is a good thing (looking for a USED one, i.e.)
All that this information does for me, however, is to make me believe even more that buying a brand new A8 or 7 series or S class or whatever is for those who "love" rapid depreciation. For myself, if I ever go down the A8 path again, I will, as I always do -- keep on leasing (even though the residual does "get you" -- one way or another.)
I assume that most of you have received your belated "ignition coil" letter from Audi. It is ironic that it is dated 1/31/2003, and comes on the heels of the New York Times article.
While I have, in the past, been pleased with my dealer's responsiveness to problems, I sense increasing resistance from Audi to acknowledge warranty difficulties.
I had a funny experience the other day. I stopped to help someone jump start their car. I have had my A6 since August 2002 and other than the day I bought it I have never looked under the hood (5K miles). So, I popped the hood to connect to my ... where the heck is the battery? We looked in all the obvious places (right and left side). Finally went to the manual. About that time the other car owner found my missing battery, in the middle up by the windshield under a nice little cover. SO if you go looking, that is where it is.
My dealer told me that using an Audi to jump or to be jumped may be hazardous to your Audi's computer.
The fact that you may long to be a "good guy" notwithstanding -- the risks of harming your car's computer (which would not be covered if you jumped) outweighs your desire to help a stranded motorist.
Call AAA for them -- but jump or be jumped at your own (computer's, expensive compueter's) risk.
Thanks for the tip about battery jumping, I jumped my neighbor the other day w/ the A6 and I won't be engaging in that activity again....
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa...I confess...I am not wealthy enough to own a used Audi... nor am I an engineer or a German mechanic. However, last month I did refinance my house and took out a home equity loan...so I might be able to keep the car (1996 A6 wagon) for another year if I don't add new windshield wipers. I accept the full chastisement I received after my post of February 2 (#3573). However, I am still curious about a solution to my headlight concern (when the key is shut off, the headlights and radio go off...but the parking lights remain on). Am I missing some hidden switch? Is it possible to re-wire the light switch so that the parking lights also go off? I humbly thank any readers who will offer sustenance.
Volkswagen/Audi in Massive Recall
More than 850,000 Volkswagen and Audi vehicles --
about 530,000 sedans and hatchbacks sold in the
U.S. alone -- are being recalled for a faulty
ignition coil. Volkswagen announced the recall last
week, noting that the problem could cause spark
plug failure and rough running, which is usually
indicated by the vehicle's "Check Engine" light.
Most of the cars affected carry the VW corporate
1.8-liter turbo four (which includes the Audi A4
and TT coupe; the VW Golf, GTI, Jetta, New Beetle
and Passat), the 2.8-liter VR6 and the 3.0-liter
V6 engines, as well as the VW Passat's W8.
I know of no hidden switch. If the headlights are on in this model and the key is turned off, only the headlights go off -- the parking lights stay on.
Now, having said that, it is at least possible that something could be done to make what you want to happen happen. But, unless you are willing to shell out a few bucks for someone who knows what they are doing and will fix it if they screw something up, well I guess you'll have to live with this "feature."
My "head service tech" has a 1985 (or '86) 4000CS quattro (5cyl engine, manual tranny, etc.) approaching, he said, 200,000 miles. If I had the courage to try this, well perhaps then I could afford a used Audi. With the way things seem to go with respect to repair costs, however, I am certain I would lose much sleep wondering if and when there would be a multi-thousand dollar repair bill coming.
Perhaps we should have a contest -- unofficial of course -- to see who has the highest milage Audi and what costs have been incurred to achieve such miles on the od.
My service guy says -- fluid changes, fluid changes, fluid changes -- and timing belt every 60,000 miles (no matter what).
OK, I've now got 6000 miles on my 03 allroad.
My wife has 3500 miles on her 03 TT.
Hardly a record, but it is a start!
I recently purchased a 2003 A6 3.0 quattro sedan, and I love the car. I traded in my 2000 BMW 323CI because of the several problems I had with it. I was nervous about getting into another German vehicle, but I love the way German cars look and drive. Now I see that Audi has recalled many cars for faulty ignition coil. Should I be worried and go ahead bring it in to be checked, or should I wait for something to go wrong before I bring it in? I've had my car for two weeks, and I haven't received any information about a recall. I talked to my Audi dealership and was told that there were only problems with early 2003 models, but my car was OK. I don't know who to listen to, the dealership or the posts on Edmunds? Can someone help?
Thank you, and drive safely.
I wouldn't worry too much. Evidently, a particular VW/Audi supplier of ignition coils used plastic insulation that can become brittle with too much heat and fail. I suspect that as is normally the case with such things, the majority of such ignition coils won't fail, but that the percentage that might fail threatens too much liability not to issue a recall.
It's possible that VW/Audi may have changed suppliers during a model run, or the supplier may have upgraded the part. The dealer should know this, but if you're skeptical, I'd call AoA determine if a portion of the model run is unaffected, and assure your car falls within that portion.
My wife's '01 A4 1.8T is also affected by the recall, but as of now, she's got close to 50K on it without that issue. (Knock-on-wood.)
Hmm .. OH well, so much for being the nice guy. Thanks for the advice. As for the Audi and miles and Costs .... 5200 miles - costs? $0.00 It is way way fun! (2002 A6 2.7T)
I am in the market for a new audi. I went to my dealer in cincinnati and test drove the 3.0, 2.7 turbo and the 4.2 without the sports suspension. I liked the 4.2 version the best. Can anybody tell me about how much they have paid for a recent 2003 audi a6 4.2? Does the sports suspension make that much of a difference? How much is the audi extended warranty? Is it a bumper to bumper warranty or are there exceptions?
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