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  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    they are going to redesign cars every 5 years. So expect a redesign in MY2003 i.e Mid year 2002.

    TL-S needs to be there when redesigned ES300 comes
  • tag66tag66 Member Posts: 9
    It is pretty much well known now that the TL-s will be out between March and May of next year (2001) as a 2002 model. Current rumors are that there will be some changes made to the front end (re-skin). There are even dealers taking deposits for this car already. For more info, check out the many posts on www.acura-tl.com
  • vthokie30024vthokie30024 Member Posts: 1
    I've seen many posts regarding lack of headroom in the TL and have to agree. I'm 6'3" and I've tried two different TLs (2000 and 2001). Both of which my head rubs the roof, even with the seat at the lowest position. My wife and I were really disappointed as we were looking forward to all the other great features of this car. We recently drove an ES300 and had no problems with the headroom.
    Interestingly enough, if you refer to ConsumerGuide or the recent issue of Kiplinger which compares cars, both list the TL as having MORE headroom than the ES. How can this be? Do these guides actually take measurements themselves or simply use the manufacturer info from brochures? Is there any standard of measuring headroom or other interior dimensions? Is a Lexus inch bigger than an Acura inch?
  • equalizer1equalizer1 Member Posts: 177
    My husband has a 3.2 TL and is 6'3", and has no problem with the headroom, even with a hat on with the sunroof shade closed. He has most of his height in his legs, and finds the legroom slightly less than he'd prefer. I guess it's where you have most of your height. If you have it in the torso, you will have problems with the headroom, if you have it in the legs, you will have less than adequate leg room.

    He loves the car, though, and wouldn't trade it for and ES300, as he feels the TL is much nicer all around.
  • er92er92 Member Posts: 1
    I have the same noise others have mentioned, since day one. After twice in the shop with no results, the dealer today told me a story similar to what posting #277 said--vacuum operated motor mount that loses pressure the longer the car sits and pops when it is started again. Normal, no problem. The thing that gets me is why would a $30,000 car have a noise like this designed into it??????? Otherwise this is a great car.
  • fortunate2001fortunate2001 Member Posts: 21
    I think in a lot of cases it really is leg vs torso height. I was talking to a friend who is 6' tall like me. I have a 34" inseam, he has a 30". His head rubs the roof of the car, mine has a couple inches to spare.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    TS-L coming with 260HP & all equipement on CL-S
    http://biz.yahoo.com/n/h/hmc.html
  • curiousgeorge8curiousgeorge8 Member Posts: 10
    Just called 4 Acura dealers. 3 of them said the TL-S might be available around May 2001. The 4th one said that the TL-S is "only a topic for discussion for now" and that it won't be available until late 2001 or more realistically January 2002. They were all willing to take my money for a deposit on the TL-S though, and would call me when they got more info on the arrival.

    Sounds like nobody knows for sure.
  • charliemikecharliemike Member Posts: 87
    Looks like we'll know something in a month at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

    If they build it, I will buy it.
  • sunfishsunfish Member Posts: 6
    I've had my 2000 TL since Sept 99 and have grown to love it. No problems.... great mileage.. and still a lot of fun to drive.
    Questions: With regard to features like TCS (traction control) and the night driving feature on the rear view mirror.. Can these be left on all the time without causing wear? Is it better to leave them on? Also, will forced entry to the trunk set off the alarm.
    Not big issues, but please remember the old saw about...... "no question being dumb".
    Thanks.......
  • mhammy84mhammy84 Member Posts: 167
    Dont know if anybody had already posted this link yet, but I found this prototype drawing of the 2002 TL-S. It doesnt look that great to me from teh front...looks more like an Impala in this drawing. But who knows, the prototype drawings usually are very different from the real thing. Check it out...
    http://www.acura-tl.com/2002_TL-S.htm
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    TCS is on every time you turn on the car. Do you think that if it caused excess wear, car manufacturers designed it as a default setting?
  • sunfishsunfish Member Posts: 6
    The TCS in my 2000 is turned on by a switch in a group of switches at the left that includes moon roof controls and cruise control. It doesn't appear to be a default condition.
  • dannyledannyle Member Posts: 43
    could someone who is going to the Detriot Auto show take some pics of the TL-S if they have it there and post it here ..

    Thanks
  • bjohnson71bjohnson71 Member Posts: 33
    Ruski is correct, by default the TCS is always ON when you start your car. You have to press the TCS button to turn it off. The light will be ON when the TCS is OFF.

    There is really no reason to turn your TCS off unless you are racing.
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    believe me, in all cars equipped with TCS, pressing the TCS button will turn the TCS off. It is on by default when you start the car.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    at around the same time or JUST before the new ES300 launch. This was my prediction from last one & a half year & I think it will come true !!

    Amen -:)
  • sunfishsunfish Member Posts: 6
    Sorry guys. It obviously never occurred to me to read the owner's manual. So.... on slippery days, I have been turning the TCS off. Live and learn.
    Thanks
  • bjohnson71bjohnson71 Member Posts: 33
    No biggie, that's what we are here for. Enjoy that TL!
  • need4spdneed4spd Member Posts: 92
    Good thing you haven't *needed* that TCS when you had it turned off!
  • prov1632prov1632 Member Posts: 10
    Headroom is an issue with us as well. With our recent TL purchase, and yes we compared the Honda 3.0 EX to the TL :( (sorry) - my wife and I both thought the TL had less headroom than the Honda. Looking at the specs, however, the Honda is supposed to have 38.5 inches front headroom, and the TL 39.9 - over an inch more headroom. It must have been the seat position during the test drives or something. Now that we have lived with the TL for a few weeks, headroom has been fine in the TL.

    Second comment on the TCS - we have it on our 98 Ford Windstar. I've been surprised a couple of times to have the green "TCS Active" light come on when starting out or turning and the wheels slipped - didn't even realize the road was slick.
  • cnb2606cnb2606 Member Posts: 1
    I have 2000 Acura 3.2TL and since my first servicing I have a very high frequency vibration in my steering wheel. During long drive it almost numbs my hand, which is very annoying.

    I have taken to my dealer and they balanced my wheels twice. I also took it to a third party mechanic and they did a "high-speed" alignment. But to no use.

    Does anyone has/had this issue with their TL? If yes, how did they get it fixed?
  • smile2846smile2846 Member Posts: 3
    I am considering the purchase of an Acura 3.2TL. The product brochure states that 91 octane fuel is "recommended for best performance, etc." In our area, 91 octane is just under $2.00 /gallon. I am not a high performance type driver, so some compromise in power, etc., would not really bother me. However, I am more concerned about any long term risks to the engine and other components if I were to consistently use 87 (regular) octane fuel. Has anyone used both octane ratings? Is there any difference in fuel economy or performance? Any possibility of mechanical damage with 87 octane being used all the time?
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    hey the manual is not necessarily written for high performance drivers either. Just do what they tell you.
  • interkotinterkot Member Posts: 1
    Hello there

    Can anybody clearly explain to me what does it mean
    "...having only the seating surfaces upholstered in leather..."
    Does it mean that some other luxiry car seats are made
    completely of leather? Is it a big difference from the viewpoint
    of comfort?
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    Rolls-Royce's seats are covered entirely in leather.
  • souljas_1souljas_1 Member Posts: 3
  • souljas_1souljas_1 Member Posts: 3
    Hey, I'm planning on buying an Acura RL 2000, so I am going to sell my car. It doesn't have a navigation system and it has gone around 11,500 miles. It is in excellent condition, and I'm selling for $25,999. Please reply back and tell me what you think. Is the price sound fair? Thanks alot.
  • ronmendelronmendel Member Posts: 12
    That price does seem a lttle high. TL production has caught up and my dealer has 20 on the lot. They offered me one for $1000 over invoice ($25,738) without haggling. I could probably get it for $300 over invoice, just before the end of the year, about $26,000 for a new 2001. You may want to adjust your price down just a tad.

    -Ron
  • souljas_1souljas_1 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for replying. Really appreciated it.
  • nlo1nlo1 Member Posts: 1
    I just read the post by RON MENDEL and he stated that he could get the new 2001 TL for $26,000. RON, where is your dealership at? I am in the Chicago area looking for a new TL with Nav. I really don't care if it is a 2000 TL with Nav as long as it's still new. The dealer in my area offered $29,767. What do you think about the price? What do you guys think is a good price that I should ask for from my dealership? Thanks!!

    -Nelson
  • peddlerpeddler Member Posts: 6
    I HAVN'T HAD THE MISFORTUNE TO HAVE TO REPLACE ONE YET, BUT, IF AND WHEN I DO, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE TO PAYING $250 / $275?
    I RECENTLY SPOKE TO ANOTHER OWNER OF A 99 TL WHO HAD JUST LAID OUT ABOUT $275 TO REPLACE ONE BULB. I LIKE THE HID LIGHTS BUT THEY ARE NOT THAT MUCH BETTER THAN A GOOD HALOGEN. CAN THESE SYSTEMS BE CONVERTED TO HALOGEN? ANY IDEA HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST?
    THANKS
    PEDDLER
  • botmon2botmon2 Member Posts: 1
    I sure would like to know where that dealer is,too. The invoice sounds a little low. More like $26200 for a non-navi. Unless, they are giving you hold back(2%) The big dealerships are dumping their inventory to prepare for the TL type S, anyway. Anyone have pictures yet?
  • mhammy84mhammy84 Member Posts: 167
    never have I heard ANYBODY wanting to go from HID lights to Halogens. Why would you want to do such a thing...the only things I hear about are kits converting Halogens to HIDs. Anyhow, you are worried that your HID bulbs will blow out...HID bulbs NEVER "blow out" like conventional halogens. Besides, they never need replacement, are noticeable much quicker to the human eye, and are so much brighter and reflect signs and markings much better than conventional halogens...so i dont see how you figure that HID lights "...are not that much better than a good halogen." Was it that your friend must have hit something in order to damage the light, in which case, the costs could possibly be covered by insurance?
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    Why in the heavens would you want you replace HIDs with halogens ?!!! Also, HIDs are supposed to last for the entire life of the car....you would not have to replace one for 10 or more years..

    Later...AH
  • ronmendelronmendel Member Posts: 12
    The dealer I talked to was Hoehn Acura/Audi in Carlsbad CA. They have a glut of TL's and are discounting them heavily, especially before year-end. Make them a killer offer and don't back down.
  • peddlerpeddler Member Posts: 6
    Reason? Cost. But if they last that long it doesn't matter. I live in the northwest and occasionally drive the mountains at night. The halogens on my BMW seem to do as well.
    Thanks for the comments.
    Peddler
  • mhammy84mhammy84 Member Posts: 167
    you're contradicting yourself by saying that the HID lights are costly. It was already explained that HID light bulbs (actually, tubes) never need replacement, a cost advantage over halogens which need to be replaced from time to time. With the fancy headlamp assemblies out there, even for halogens, replacing a broken housing would be costly both ways I am sure. Besides, HIDs provide a wider beam of light...one that I have heard many others who live in your region (many who drive in the mountains) claiming that they bought a car with HIDs BECAUSE of those night mountain drives. Your opinion is very interesting!
  • sranger94sranger94 Member Posts: 18
    Test Message #2
  • posiedonposiedon Member Posts: 4
    its almost like GM cannot get the proper mix of affordability, reliability, looks and performance. The Chevy line up is affordable but reliability and resale is bad. Pontiac ups the performance, but GM packages the plastic and the garish styling to go with it. Cadillac has looks and performance, but reliability isnt what you can expect for the money you pay. Olds had the best balance of looks, performance and build quality, but GM is now closing it. Isuzu and Suzuki are new entrants but they are facing stiff competition in the truck and econo-car segments. Looks like GM needs to clean up its act soon or it will end up becoming a wholesale supplier for the rental car companies.
  • enigma32enigma32 Member Posts: 12
    interkot,

    Most car makers only install leather trim on seating surfaces. That means usually the sides of the seats, the seat backs, the door inserts are really vinyl.
  • enigma32enigma32 Member Posts: 12
    And for the performance freaks that own 3.2TLs. I tested my 2K 3.2TL with a Gtech pro this weekend(did 4 runs-2 each way) with my recently installed comptech headers. Prior to this I had installed Comptech cat-back exhaust and I also installed about 2 months back a AEM Cold Air intake. The improvement in 0-60 is quite impressive, and it basically shows that you don't need to trade up that 3.2TL for a TYpe-S TL if you crave performance.

    My low and high 0-60 numbers were 6.14 & 6.42
    After averaging the 4 times I came op with a 6.33 0-60.

    To get more accurate numbers, I am planning on going to the track in early spring to see what it will do when timed by the tracks equipment in the 1/4 mile. From the seat of the pants feel, it definately seems like it is quite a bit faster than it was with just exhaust on it.
  • dougsilverdougsilver Member Posts: 62
    We have had our 2000 non-nav blue TL for just over a year now and the car is still quite wonderful. I only have one minor complaint and that is related to phantom noises. The car is generally one of the quietest I have owned BUT there are certain recurring noises that seem to be sensitive to temperature. I have traced one of the sounds to the rear pillar on the driver's side (this would be just to the left of someone sitting behind the driver in the rear seat). I could be driving the car for an hour with no noise but if I hit a minor bump or patch of uneven road, this initiates a creak/click from the rear pillar area that does not go away. Seems to happen more when it is cold outside and the noise can be stopped by pressing on the interior trim over the pillar. The next time I bring the car for service I will ask the dealer to look at this--probably can be solved by sticking some tape or velcro beneath the trim.

    The other noise, that also seems to happen more when it is cold, is a creaking from the drivers seat. Seems to especially happen when I accelerate and sounds like plastic against plastic.
  • dwedddwedd Member Posts: 1
    I've dropped off the discussion for a while (I think that last time I was checked in was around part 3 so forgive me if this topic has been beaten into the ground).

    I guess I'm a creature of habit. I'm used to changing oil every 3K mi. Though their not required, I've kept changing the oil @ 3k mi. I have 14k mi on my '00 TL. Now would be the tima for another 3K oil change so do I do it or wait until ~17K?

    Thanx!--
  • peddlerpeddler Member Posts: 6
    You forgot my first note---they don't always last forever. I encountered an owner at a dealer who had just replaced a bulb that blew. It cost him $275. Maybe they should, but don't always. Remember, in the mountains at night those hids are only part of the package. The brights are halogens.

    As far as efficiency. The halogens on the BMW are accompanied by fogs that add to the pattern width. they both are good.
  • billyboy3billyboy3 Member Posts: 1
    I am wondering when other TL owners changed the oil for the first time. I have always changed my oil every 3K, and was told by the dealer that it is important that I run the car for 7K before I change the oil for the first time. I was told that there is a break-in oil that is important to the engine. I have never run a car this long, and am having trouble with the thought of doing this.

    Any thoughts from others would be welcomed.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    I happened to read FAQ at the Honda for my Accord's oil change. The oil Honda puts is really diff. to handle the break in period when there could be some particles/impurities coming off. So Honda advises 7500 for the first oil change. BUT my dealer reccomended 3750 due to severe weather conditions & stop n go traffic in our city. IT IS UP TO U to decide whether u drive it the way or in a condition that requires early oil change ?

    Even in any case I think, 3750-4000K is proper mileage for oil change. U may choose to 4750.
    Do what dealer reccommends as resale value depends on how u maintain ur vehicle.
  • nrl76nrl76 Member Posts: 30
    http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshows/2001losangelesautoshow/44468/page009.html
  • charliemikecharliemike Member Posts: 87
    I hope Acura is planning on building a ton of Type S models. That car is going to fly off the lots.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    After dreaming about this car for almost a year, my wife and I finally sat down with a salesman, talked numbers, and agreed on a price. We got $26,700 for an Emerald Green 2001 non-navi through Priceline.com. My wife doesn't trust me to install the spoiler, so we had to add $600 (ugh) for the dealer to do it.

    Pick up is in two weeks. I'm a happy camper.
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