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I guess it all depends on who is running the tests.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/2001Cmpt.html
Well, as we grow closer to the 2002 model introduction, this same dealer is selling these cars (same MRSP) @ $10,788 (all in stock)! And another dealer in Long Beach, CA is selling base 5-speeds @ $8,846. That's $20 less than his advertised price for the Accent automatic.
I'm not unhappy that I bought earlier because I got the last one in stock in the color my daughter wanted...but it seems like there's always a better deal out there!
thanks
Can anybody tell me about the deals on elantra in NY/NJ area. Any delaer who can match the prices "intrepidspirit" had mentioned?
It must have been a demo!?
How many miles does it have?
The dealer's ad last weekend for all remaining MRSP $14,032 for $10,788 was also for new Elantras.
http://www.irdusa.com/products/superfuelmx
MSRP: $14,332 + 6%Tax = $15,192.(GLS/Auto/Pkg #2/mats/mudguards)
The Dealer's offer was $14,025 including tax.
My offer was $12,971 including Tax.
So far NO DEAL!
AS you can see my offer is still way above the $10,988 you paid.
The dealers offer is about $2,500 above your price.
By the way he has a few left(10-12) on the lot! And only one GT.
Something is fishy!!!
For my zip (91773), carsdirect price for auto, floor mats, CA emissions and mud guards is $11,966. So I got mine for $978 less than carsdirect and the dealer is now selling at $1,178 less than carsdirect. My dealer quoted me $11,388 with package 2 added.
In my zip (91773) package 2 would add $354 to the carsdirect price for a total of $12,320.
Cardirect MI: $13,624 + 817 Tx = $14,441
Dealer asking so far(including Tax): $13,800
came down a little (then called a few hours later to still negotiate... did not return his call yet... planning on going first to a different place tomorrow)
But, still there shouldn't be that much difference between CA and the rest of the country: The Destination Charge ($495) is supposed to equalize the price everywhere.
Furthermore, nothing explains why your dealer is selling them at 10,788 instead of 12,224!!??!? I don't think he pays less than the rest of the dealers!
The whole thing is puzzling!
It's hard to believe that the carsdirect price in your area is $13,624 -- that's $4 more than factory invoice and $1,304 over carsdirect price for my zip code! With the $500 rebate (built in to carsdirect price), they should be at least $500 under factory invoice. Is the $500 rebate shown as a separate line in their price build? Sometimes these rebates are regional.
Are you sure you called up automatic, package 2, mud guards and floor mats on carsdirect pricing?
If everything else matches, the reason may be supply and demand. The demand may be heavier in the eastern U.S. because the Elantra is more accepted there and there are fewer available. Hyundai may be financing the loss prices for the dealers in the L.A. area to build up sales in California and because I assume it is point of entry for them and they can avoid transportation cost eastward.
I know others have indicated that carsdirect pricing is $900 to $1,100 higher in the east and it must be for a combination of the above reasons.
BTW, my dealer's price with option 2 would be at least $11,188, not $10,788. The $10,788 excludes package 2, and he wants full MRSP for the package. With the 2002's on the way, unless there is a shortage of Elantras in the east, your dealer should be willing to deal below $13,000, as the car is now one year old for resale purposes. If not, you may want to buy a 2002 -- probably little difference in price and higher value.
Remember, you are in the driver's seat (so to speak) and, all things being equal, the end of a model year means the best prices!
I have purchased four new cars over the past 13 months and saved a total of $17,525 off MRSP, so I know it pays to do your homework! Good Luck!
$13,624 including 500 Rebate wich expires tonight...but hopefully tomorrow, better incentives will be in place, if they want to get rid of their inventory (this dealer has quite a few on the lot).
I think I will wait for the new 2002 if I can't get more than a couple hundred savings!
JEFF
http://www.hyundaiperformance.com
I finally got through my first tank of gas and wanted to post my impressions so far. My drive to work is through some rural country with a few hills. I normally use cruise control for much of it. Before I installed the K&N the car would downshift (I have an automatic) into 2nd gear to get up many of the hills. Now it downshifts into 3rd or not at all and makes it up the hills just fine. Also, my gas mileage (mixed A/C, no A/C) has gone up from 32 mpg to 34 mpg. I want to watch this for a few more tanks and see if it stays about the same.
I took the filter out and didn't appear that any dirt/dust was getting past the filter.
Will post further updates in the future.
Got a question, I'm going to be doing an oil change sometime soon. Does the Elantra use any type of crush washer that I need to pick up from the dealer?
Thanks!!
Frank
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/long-term/articles/46043/page003.html
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/43900/article.html
"Covers repair or replacement of any component manufactured or originally installed by Hyundai that is defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance
Following components covered for time and mileage limits indicated:
Radio And Sound Systems (i.e. radio, cassette tape drive mechanism, and compact disc player): 3 years / 36,000 miles
Paint: 3 years/ 36,000 miles
Battery: 3 years / unlimited miles (100% covered 2 years / unlimited miles; after 2 years and within 3 years, 25% cost of battery and 100% labor cost covered)
Air Conditioner Refrigerant Charge: 1 year / unlimited miles
Adjustments: 1 year / 12,000 miles
Wear Items; 1 year / 12,000 miles ( e.g. belts, brake pads & linings, clutch linings, filters, wiper lades, bulbs, fuses..."
Imay be having second thoughts about buying A Hundi after all... Look at the holes in the warraty which can add up to a substantial amount:
Belts $100-300
Clutch $700-1000
etc...
Those items are usually the ones to go first in any car...
Most other warrabties 3-36000 cover the above items!!!
I have a Chrysler 300M and wear items such as brake pads and linings are not covered for any period...they are simply considered normal maintenance items.
Warranties normally cover defects in material and workmanship of non-maintenance items ...i.e. items that should last the life of the vehicle. Batteries, belts, brake pads and linings are normally replaced as maintenance items. I believe the clutch mechanism itself is covered but the linings excluded. Your $700 - $1,000 clutch replacement cost in your post would therefore be covered by warranty.
Generally, I believe Hyundai has the same exclusions as most other manufacturers' warranties, but of course, Hyundai offers a much longer warranty period!
Before I purchased a 2001 Elentra GLS for my daughter, I read all the reviews on compacts I could find on the internet. On the basis of these reviews, my overwhelming choice was the Elentra.
One of the reviews (I believe it was in Edmunds) praised the warranty as fantastic. They also went on to say that the warranty would mean nothing however, if the car wasn't reliable. Their point was that Hyundai's reliability has improved so much over the past few years that the exceptional warranty was really just a bonus and not a necessity.
I know I wouldn't have purchased a Hyundai because of the warranty, but it was a great security blanket! Just my $.02 worth...
Does anyone know what I can do? How can I qualify for a return or exchange under lemmon law? Has anyone heard of any successful story negotiating a return/exchange with the dealer?
Any info will be much appreciated.
AS for:"How can I qualify for a return or exchange under lemmon law? " I think the same serious problem must have been already fixed twice and comes back a 3rd time... basically, I am afraid to say,it is not the consumer's friend law!
Talk to the dealer... then contact and keep calling Hyundai...if nothing happens then contact/ call a TV station (you must have ONE of those "sensational stations!~"); and tell them about the "NEW and IMPROVED Hyundai" WITH THE BEST WARRANTY IN AMERICA!"
Good luck!
I was just a little frustrated after coming back from the dealership this morning. Since not many people are experiencing as many problem as I have. It's probably just my bad luck. Or maybe I am expecting too much from a 10k car.
Anyway, I will give the car another chance. If another similar problem comes out some time soon, I will hassle the dealer and/or hyundai.
Thanks again, guys. This forum has been very helpful and supportive.
Since then (and my last post), my problems have multiplied, and I'm demanding a refund.
There are 5 current issues: Wheel vibration, door closing, brakes that engage by themselves on the freeway, gas mileage (along with sporadic poor performance) and rattles.
All of the problems are intermittent (except for the doors), including the steering wheel vibration in the 60 - 70 mph range. Three unsuccessful attempts to repair. The repair attempts have focused on tire balance and run out. I have a different theory: some sort of resonance or oscillation from the suspension.
If the tires were the culprit, the problem would be consistent and repeatable. This is not the case. I read allot of posts in the 1300 - 1400 range that describe my symptoms. If a stabilizer bar (or some other part) started vibrating or oscillating, it could produce a vibration in the steering wheel.
Doors: Improved but still require slamming.
Brakes: Before I outline what's happening with my Elantra, I'd like to qualify my comments: I was a driving instructor for 8 years; 50K - 60K miles per year of driving with students: 1989 Colt for 214,000 miles, and a 1994 Kia for 175,000 miles. I'm very familiar with brake issues, as part of my job was maintaining the vehicles.
With the Elantra, the brakes had been remarkably smooth. I simply requested an adjustment to the safety interlock, since I nearly had to bottom out the brakes to take the car out of park.
The mechanic adjusted the brakes as well (even though not requested), and the problems since, have been horrendous. Basically, the pedal height(now) always varies (i.e., how far you have to push the pedal before the calipers engage). The brakes seem to "pump-up" by themselves. This happens--spontaneously--on the freeway, up to the point that the calipers start dragging on the rotors, causing the brakes to overheat and create a serious vibration (first occurrence I seriously thought the mechanic forgot to tighten the lug nuts--it was really that bad--and I had my kids in the car). The symptoms will completely disappear, and return in 100 - 200 miles. A return visit to the dealership did not solve.
I don't blame the mechanic--I think he uncovered a defect, most likely with the master cylinder. Just glad it surfaced now instead of at 40,000 miles when replacing pads would have caused the problem to surface.
I read a post that describes another problem I'm having. The other post said the car "drags" or loses power. I've experienced this symptom also. I know when the brakes are dragging, this happens as a result. However, it also happens when the brakes are not acting up. I suspect it may be related to the cooling system.
I also suspect the above problem, possibly with the cooling system, is why my gas mileage is all over the place (along with intermittent dragging brakes). Worst mileage: 18.7 with mostly freeway driving (conservative at that). Been averaging about 20 mpg overall.
I've requested a second meeting with the regional rep, and last week sent a 6 page letter detailing the symptoms and unsuccessful repair attempts. I still have not been contacted, and have recently been stepping up the number of calls to customer service. Customer service states that the rep has the file and letter, and is "researching" the case, "something they do prior to offering an exchange or refund."
We'll see...
Bottom line: I like the car when not giving problems, but particularly since the service rep has not contacted me, I'm now telling everyone how horrible my experience with this car is. The Kia, on the other hand, was really trouble free right up to the time we sold it.
As for our 2000 Accord: Wonderful! Period.
I got a great price on my Hyundai, but I'm looking to spend considerably more for proven reliability. The savings are not worth the frequent problems, even if the warranty covers them. After 10 visits to the service department in 3 1/2 months, I'm willing to pay to avoid the experience. Have made no decision on a replacement (make, model, etc.)...
Good luck with yours...!
Bottom line: Is it worth taking a chance; and ending up with a lemon even if the odds are only 1 in 10 ? ? ?
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"What Is Not Covered
The following is not covered, unless specifically stated in Hyundai policy or coverage:
*** Deterioration of rubber parts, upholstery and soft trim under normal use and exposure
*** Slight irregularities not recognized as affecting quality or function of the vehicle such as slight noise or vibration."
You get what you pay for, I guess!
PS : In canada the "warranty" is only 3yrs-36000miles.
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The majority of the complaints are about doors being difficult to close or wheel shimmies. Nothing major. That goes for all Hyundai boards on Edmunds. I think that says alot.
The Elantra, like the Subaru GL that I once owned, uses a compression washer on the oil plug. With the Subaru I found that I could get by with changing out the washer about once a year. The real test is whether you get any oil dripping afterwards. The washers aren't expensive, it's just a matter of remembering to buy them when you visit the parts counter!
Regards,
JMC
I also do my own oil changes also and like you noticed the difference in the size of the Fram Oil Filter compared to the Hyundai Oil Filter. Anyway, I went with Purolator L14459 which is the exact same size as the Hyundai Oil Filter. In fact they look so much alike that they could be the OEM for Hyundai's Oil Filter. I am about to do my 3rd oil change. I only changed my washer once (first oil change). Probably change it out once a year.
As far as reliability is concerned this is the best new car I have ever owned with the exception of my 94 Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4. But I expected that car to be perfect since the car was 45K in 94 (3 times amount of my 2001 Elantra). Anyway, I have 12500 miles and have not had a single problem. It hasn't been back to the dealer or anyone else for that matter. I also owned a 95 Elantra and had only 2 problems with that car in 75K miles. That was bad O2 sensor and broken AC/Air plastic vent. Both replaced under warranty. That car was so good that my sister and her husbad (they were really was skeptical of Hyundais) bought that car from me.
Its too bad that other owners are having problems with their 01 Elantras.
Shawn
I read somewhere else where a tech suggested to try to shut the door with the window cracked open...if the problem persists, then you have a problem, if not it is due to the tight seal-(because in previous models they had wind noise problem, so they made it seal tight).
Just thought I will pass it on...
NOT an owner yet...I am still undecided wether to buy or not to buy... or maybe wait for the 2002 to see if they fix some of the problems!
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I don't believe these problems are widespread. Only a very small percentage of owners post on boards like Edmunds -- maybe 200 different people in this forum since the 2001 Elantra was put on the market out of close to 50,000 purchasers of this model in the U.S. Many of those that do post are people that are experiencing problems with their vehicles. I like to think the other 49,800 are out enjoying their drive!
Check any of the other forums -- many of those posting are people having problems with their cars. People who have these problems are drawn to forums to seek solutions and sometimes just to vent. But the great majority of buyers just enjoy their cars and never look at or post in a forum like this.
My point is that every model has some bad product out there, but the vast majority are without major defects. Hyundai's overall reliability cannot be determined by a few postings in Edmunds...
It must be close to crunch time...even back east there must be some great deals out there!