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Ahem... pardon me for yelling.
:-)
Pat
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Although, I have seen a few Sentras that didn't seem to understand this...hehehe.
If anyone wants to discuss this subject any further, please address me off-line. It is not on topic here.
Thanks.
Pat
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can you please remind me how many stabilizer bars does a 2001 S have?
Can you order one from Eibach?
Off topic: I think you are confused as to what "spirited" means. Go spirit ... somewhere else, or at least be helpful, and not disseminate wrong information.
Good luck-
Tomek (censored a few times before...Pat can attest)
You must understand something folks here are little touchy when it comes to constructive criticism. Some of them even wonder about vette owners ... hoods. So bear in mind that if you do not follow party line you will be personally attacked. On the other hand, I perfectly understand them If I were to spend 25 big ones on a car that has not been significantly modified since 1995 (which is btw its first year of production) I would be pretty upset if somebody would point out how old and out of date their car is. So do not take their comments to your heart.
FEEL THEIR PAIN! Ciao Saxon II
Thanks.
Pat
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www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte054i/mazda.html
Can any owners give me an opinion on whether this is a good car for a one car couple and how they think it compares to Honda? What options are worth considering? The base engine puts out 170hp is the acceleration acceptable with the auto transmission? I would not consider spending the extra 3k for the S, so if acceleration is not acceptable I would go with the Honda which has 200hp but seems to drive faster given the smoothness of it transmission. Appreciate any thoughts, thanks.
1. Test drive
I wouldn't buy from a dealer that won't let you really test drive it. I had my 01 S for half a day, ~40 miles test drive, including bringing it home so my wife could take a look at it / drive it without having to go to the dealer.
2. Power
Base P didn't have enough "oomph" for me in city traffic (was OK at speed on the highway) but its all very relative and there is a guy here on this forum (fwatson) who is really happy with the power of his '01 P. On the other hand, 21.5 for P and 24.5 for S sound like good deals (especially the one on S - I paid 26K for my S in July 01).
Hope this helps -
Tomek
Many trips to dealer haven't fixed it; he says there are others with this problem, and Mazda can't, or won't, help. I called Mazda Canada, and basically they said the same thing. I find this unbelievable for a car just half-way through the warranty period. Has anyone else had this problem? How did you deal with it?
Jean
But if you are comparing it to a Honda Accord at $21500, which is $150 less than the terrific deal I got on mine, I think you are comparing getting an excellent but dirt common car in the Honda, as compared to an excellent and beautiful one with the Millenia. They are both outstanding in the reliability department. For anyone wanting to argue that point, go to Carpoint,
http://carpoint.msn.com/home/reliability_ratings.asp
or Consumer Reports and compare the charts.
And you will not spend all day in the Walmart parking lot trying to tell your car from the others identical to it.
Horsepower? "The Accord 2.3-liter 4-cylinder provides either 135 or 150 horsepower. That engine is small for a midsize car, so both versions provide just average acceleration above 65 mph. However, the 150-horsepower version allows easy cruising once up to speed."
http://carpoint.msn.com/Vip/Jedlicka/Honda/Accord/2001.asp
For the price you are talking for a NEW car, I do not think you are going to get a V-6 in an Accord. If you did, you would have an otherwise stripper car. The Millenia has almost no options to consider, as it is already a complete near luxury car including slide/tilt sun roof, leather interior and an excellent sound system. There is a Bose system available with a 6 changer. That is a personal decision. Other than that I see nothing the car lacks, especially at that price.
The 170HP in my Millenia has never left me in a bind, and I am generally the first away at a traffic light. That is not to say it is a drag racer, because it is not, and was never intended to be one. All in all, I would say if you opt for the Accord over the Millenia for the same price, you have made a very unwise decision. Now for a question. Why would you pay more for an Accord to get the 200 HP engine, and refuse to pay more for the 210 HP engine in the Millenia? That seems like strange logic to me.
As for depreciation, that depends on how long you keep the car. After about four years it is a totally moot point.
Oh, one minor point. The first comment from my 39 year old son when he first saw it was, "wow, what a sweet ride, expecially for a 4 door sedan". I doubt he would have had that reaction to an Accord.
The Millenia doesn't have a lot in extra features and lacks a fold down rear seat.
As far as engines: Honda 4 on LX and EX models is 150hp, I didn't test it so I have no idea what the acceleration is like, several professional reviews have commented they prefer the 6. When I test drove Honda 6 it was smooth and quick, not a street racier by any means but it felt quicker than the much higher rated maxima/I35 engine. This could be do to the transmission on them which was not a smooth. Cost was a factor but it was a comparison between a 4 and a 6 rather than a choice between 6's with modifications.
I have not had any experience comparing engines from the same manufacturer but have found that 6's give a nicer feel than 4's even if the hp to weight ratio is similar. In the Millenia the basic 6 is low HP but this seems to be because they choose to go with natural aspiration and didn't try to tweak it. Instead they decided to trick up the Miller, which while a fantastic technical feat leaves me a little skeptical as most turbo / supercharging tricks are prone to lag depending on RPM's and inconsistant performance depending on weather conditions heat, humidity etc. No doubt on a cool, dry day a properly adjusted turbo feels awesome.
Deciding to go with a 6 over a 4 for a 33% increase in HP for about $1500 difference versus a 6 natural v a 6 tricked with 22% increase in HP for about $2000 is not equivelent. These prices are adjusted to roughly account for other increased features that come with the models for instance in the Honda the upgrade includes ABS, TCS and Leather for 3k. On the Mazada you add TCS, Bose and a rear anti-rollbar for 3k.
The comparison is between 200hp Honda for 23,200, 170hp Mazada for 21,500 and 210 Mazada for 24,500.
Over course this is moot if the 170hp provides enough zip to make merging, passing and steep uphills not a problem, this is the sort of functional analysis that only someone who has driven the car can attest too. The actual performance of a car varies a ton from what the stat books say even before after market tweaking and age are factored in. And the actual performance in traffic has as much to do with the driver.
However, my understanding of the Miller Engine is that it does not suffer from the lag proplem nor being prone to change due to the weather -
I would diffently find another dealer who will let you drive the car a little longer or if that is the only dealership - tell them that you want to take the car out for a while and if you like it your going to buy it - if they won't let you do this - you may need to drive a bit to find a better dealer -
This is a great car and I think that by the posting you can see that the owners really like thier car - except for one person who doesn't even own the car.
I'm moving to yahoo Mazda board - maybe we'll get some real discussion going there...:
just search Yahoo for Mazda Millenia and go to community message boards for Mazda
http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=topics&board=yahoo.30.13.8313861&type=r
Bye.
Tomek
I will be happy to discuss the issues off-line if anyone wishes to email me - pat@edmunds.com. Also, you are welcome to get in touch with our Consumer Services Manager, Jonah Brown, who is ultimately the person in charge of the Town Hall. You can email him here: jbrown@edmunds.com.
Thanks.
Pat
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I'm just not interested in their attempts to change their cars with custom parts etc. If that is your thing, good luck.
This is the best moderated forum I have ever been a part of.
As for me I gave back my Millenia to the bank- lease expired.I am test driving a lot of goodies out there just having fun until the bonus check arrives in late March.
One point I have to make regarding the Acura 3.2 TL, this car has a lot of horses,but it labors at high RPM'S I crossed it off my list.Give me some feedback on this TL issue
www.sounddomain.com
Search "member pages" for Mazda Millenia (there are like 15 or so listed) a few people there have lowered their Millenia's and may have more advice for you and their emails are usually listed unlike here. The Millenia (IMHO) is already too low.
Hence the old saying "if it's not broken don't fix it". Good luck!
Your slight smoking after startup will most assuredly become a hugh cloud in the not too distant future (20,000 miles or so)
the primary reason for dropping the Millenia is due to emmissions regulations. The current car does not come close to the latest EPA requirements.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: [mazda]
This is a M-tip for the compressor...there is no TSB....
Doug Auchey
Mazda Master Tech
Mazda South
Austin Texas
www.mazdastuff.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Fitch"
To: M-tip Lysholm Compressor
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 1:51 PM
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TOP 0002547 Dealer Repair Information
*==* Excessive oil consumption under normal engine running conditions.
*==**==* Disconnect air intake pipe from the front charge air cooler and
inspect
*==* for excessive oil in the pipe and cooler. If excessive oil is found
*==* replace the lysholm compressor*==**==* Parts Information:
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1-Hlp 2-Can 3-End 4-F/C 5-RFd 6-RCh 7-Up 8-Dwn 9-Top 10-Lft 11-Rt
12-Btm
b rotor spins to it's max of 37,000 rpm.
Mine regulates the AC ok in summer, but in the winter it really overheats the car on defrost, and doesn't work very well at all when on automatic. Is it just mine? My dealer hasn't been able to fix it so far, and I would like to know how many others have had this, and were they able to get it fixed.
What is your honest and unbiased opinion on
Mazda Millenia S specifically its compressor?
Thanx and keep the spicy posts going!
Ciao SAXON II
It's obvious (I hope!) your intentions were to purposely miscomprehend my comments of the Manumatic transmissions as being a selling "gimmick". Bye the way, the 01/02 Millenia's does have a more refined suspsension, and chassis, improving handling. (owned a predecessor too).
I always welcome educated comments toward my posts, but spare the snide remarks! Let's keep the forum as civilized & professional as possible.
Regards,
Written by: rzawarski
"The Only important change to the Millenia since it's debut in 95 was the front brake change to ~1" larger disc's. This made a vast improvement in stopping distance (from 144' to 122' from 60mph). Aparently few people in this group consider better brakes important>"