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For the nail in your tire- MAZDA is not responsible for that,if you can spend twenty plus thousand on a car, what is $300.00 dollars? not even a fraction of what the car cost.
You want to gripe about new car problems, buy a Acura 3.2TL.
On a second note my dad just went out and bought a new '02 s, after he totaled his '98 626 es. He bought a two tone white with the four seasons package, the 6 disc cd, and the chrome wheels for $25,000. He was told by the dealer that Mazda will not send any new 6's out until all of the mills and 626's are sold by the dealer. So if you are looking for a good deal on them, now is the time.
Your decision between a Camry and Millenia must weigh that fact against certain advantages in equipment, style, etc.
I'm wondering whether waiting until after the first of the month might bring an addition to the $5000 incentive. I know of two dealers who still have considerable inventory with several in my color choices so waiting another couple of weeks shouldn't limit my choice. In fact I've checked these dealers in the last few days and their inventory seems about the same as it was two weeks ago.
Any thoughts on whether the dealers have any additional money to play with given that the company is anxious to move these cars out before the 6 debuts?
Zero down, 15000mi, 39 mo.@ 355/mo plus tax. The main hesitations I had about going for a Milenia was possible resale value issues and a fairly high payment if I bought ($450/mo). Both of those issues are resolved by leasing. There really is nothing in this class that's available for anything near this lease price. Examples: G35-$525. Jag X-type-$530. Volvo S60-$480, Acura TL-$450. Sure, some have higher stickers but with the exception of HP none are better equipped or more stylish.
I expect to close a deal in the next few days and I am totally comfortable
with my choice from just about every perspective.
BTW, I read through the consumer feedback section on both Edmunds and Carpoint and it's really amazing how absolutely thrilled virtually everyone is with their Millenias. Most can't believe you could get so much car for the money. Virtually no complaints. As an interesting aside, a Canadian auto website did a road test on the Millenia just a week or two back and the writer went on about what a great car this was and how it's too bad it's being discontinued. Quite a contrast from most of the writers who go on and on about how outdated this car is. Tell that to the guys on the Acura TL board who have been recounting numerous problems with their less outdated TL.
2. You got that on S or P?
3. So far oil changes for me were $20-25 a pop, I do them every 5K miles.
It sure is a lot of car for the money... BUT I did have 3 problems with it ('01 S, with 17.5K miles now): AC fan bearing replaced (noisy), air pockets in cooling system (engine slightly overheating), sticking thermostat (replaced, caused engine temp to go higher than normal but well under the "red zone"). If you ever have it in for repairs, ask for alterante transportation and the dealer will cover it.
Good luck and enjoy the car!
Tomek
No car is perfect so I wouldn't be shocked if I had a minor problem or two. But Acura's are having transmission problems, squeaks and rattles, etc. The Canadian road test I mentioned also went on about what terrific fit and finish the car had (perfect seams, etc.). As for something less tangible, I think the car is very attractive. When you look at cars like the new Accord which probably would cost more than the Millenia comparably equipped you wonder who they have working in their styling department. Coupe is tolerable, sedan is pathetic. This is 2002, not 1988.
To make a long story, short I would say that if you have money to burn there are many nice upscale cars out there some of which are superior to the Millenia. However, if like me, you're on a budget and you can buy a car of this quality, equipment level, warranty, and styling for the price of a run of the mill midsize sedan; I don't see any rational reason not grab one of the few still left out there. I've researched my decision throughly. The choice was between upscale luxury or a plain vanilla midsize sedan for the same money.
I made the obvious choice.
I agree. Same here.
Tomek
At any rate after about 2000 miles I had gotten past most of the feeling that the transmission was shifting strangely, although not completely. I think part of my solution was to tip in the throttle a little more than you might be used to in order to apply more torque to the transmission.
From all I have read and from my experience it is a normal situation. Probably partly due to the relatively low power of the MM.
Being used to it now I find it is just part of the nature of the car and causes me no problem. I tend to find the feel of the MM more European than American or Japanese.
I think they tend to like feeling the transmission shift.
Thanks a bunch!
Itching for a new car,
Kitten
Anyways, I found this discussion list after I bought the car. Everyone was talking about getting a NEW MM P for $22-23K (and I knew about the 0% financing). I thought I blew it and made a bad choice.
But if it is true that a person cannot combine the $22-23K price range with the 0% financing, maybe I didn't do so bad after all. Can anyone confirm, deny, or comment? Thanks.
Also, may I ask if you are looking at the Millenia S and if so, what other options are on it?
Thanks and good luck!
I am looking at a P, not an S. The local dealers here in Michigan don't seem to have any S's in stock. If you do find an S I would imagine it would run more like $25000 than $22000.
Good luck in your Millenia shopping.
To Granada87: Buying a Millenia at around $22000 still would enable you to get a loan in the 6% area assuming you are not on lower tier credit. Therefore, the deal would be pretty good. Still at $19,500 you're still $2500-3000 below new and that could help with depreciation down the road. Don't sweat it. You've bought a very nice car and as we all know no one gets the best deal possible. We just hope to not get taken.
This car is packed - leather, bose, decent power (not as peppy as the Nissan, but the styling, ride, and IMHO less road noise make up for that). Plus Mazda's reliability can't be touched.
This is Mazda purchase number 4 for me. I'm holding on to the 626, too. We're a two mazda family again!
I settled on checking out the Nissan Altima. Got a quote on a 2.5SL (175hp I4) well equipped with leather (sticker $24000-$250000). They quoted a $397/mo 39 mo, lease. That's actually a couple of bucks more than my 42mo. Millenia quote. Nice car but nowhere near the car the Millenia is equipmentwise, warrantywise, etc.
Seems like unless I want a dinky compact I won't be quoted anything that much cheaper than the Millenia. Certainly won't jump ship for $20-$30.mo, and that seems the most I could expect to save going elsewhere.
For comparison, I leased a $27000 stickered Toyota Avalon in 96' with first and security up front for $385/mo., 36mo., 12000 mi. That car had no ABS, no CD, no moonroof, no heated seats, no traction control, etc.
So here in 2002 if I can do a deal on this car leasing under $400 with no cash up front (other than first and security) and they throw in free oil changes and of course a 50000 mile warranty and free loaner I guess the decision should be easy. I need to get the dealer to drop the $167 they added to the upfront money for no apparent reason. Frankly after hitting me for $700 more over the life of the lease and security I would hope they would move that much to close the deal. Expecting a little cash this week to cover the upfront so when I get it I'll try to close the deal.
The point of all this. Most everything in the midsize class will lease in the $300-$400 area. Nothing in that price range will give you everything you get on the Millenia.
I am driving a loaner car (Jetta)but it not a MM.It has been two weeks already & right now they can not tell me when I will get my car back.
If anyone has constructive suggestions,please let me know.I love my blk titanium rimmed car.
This may be easier than negotiating around a back order of the part that's needed.
Good Luck
I stopped by the dealership this morning at 7:30am est.(I'm in Atlanta) & spoke wth the service manager,he said the part was on hot order but he still couldn't me a date even after her spoke with parts manager.I taken my care bck there for the third time on 9/14/02.Now I didn't ask for another MM to drive but think I will call & ask.I will push for replacement of this car if it takes at least 30days.But again thanks all of you for your responses.
When they opened the garage I was struck by just how attractive a car this is. Very elegant in silver grey, with the big chrome wheels. The interior of the car shows almost no wear at all. Nothing on the carpets, the faux-suede seats, or the plastics. The area around the key ignition is a bit faded, but otherwise no sign that this is not brand-new. The switchgear feels very good and quite positive in use. The car gives up nothing to more expensive rivals in terms of build-quality.
This was confirmed on driving: no squeaks or rattles anywhere. At first I was concerned about wind noise, but it turned out that I did not have the sunroof completely closed. The Bose sound system is quite good and, like everything else in the car, use of the controls is instinctual. I am especially impressed with the climate control system. The ergonomics generally are excellent, at least as good as Honda, the industry leader.
The car feels fairly solid and heavy on the road. Acceleration is not startling but seems very smooth and progressive. At higher speeds it feels a bit turbine-like. I do not find the steering vague but it is definitely not as sharp as my Integra but well-suited to the character of the car. It seems directed toward Interstate cruising but I had no problem handling some tighter curves on side roads. Unlike other posters here, I did not find the transmission clunky but I still have to figure out how the "hold" feature is supposed to work. Compared to some used Lexus ES300s I tried, I find the Millenia handles quite well.
Driving in rain, I felt quite confident even though the car was new to me, and gas mileage seems reasonable.
After several hours of driving, I found that I missed the lumbar support in the Acura but could adjust the seat to make up for this somewhat. I understand the 2001 MM has this feature.
So, first impressions are: excellent build quality, good looks, good handling. At the price I paid, $14,700, I think that I would not be able to find a sedan with these qualities to match it. I could have bought a 2000 Honda CR-V or another Integra, so for value for money it would be hard to beat.
But where can I get the right owner's manual?
$1300 because of the complexity of the S engine.
Wow. I'll shop around. Seems a bit high. Anyone had any experience with this. And why does my manual say that the California models change the timing belt at 105k rather than 60k? Whoops. Just looked thru some past posts and saw that this subject was discussed with some vehemence.
I've heard somewhere that some guy actually waited until 90K before doing this, but that's a bit high and scary for my blood.
Don't get me wrong now, the 6 will compete well in its class, but as Stbiss said, it is no Millenia.
As for mods, I would think that they have superchip available for this engine, plus air filter and muffler, you'll get about 190HP out of it.
Just keep an eye out.
It's amazing that people want to keep the owners manual for a car they are selling. What is that all about? A souviner? Or mabey it's the $10 they an get for it on ebay.
Has this happened to anyone? I can just imagine taking it to the dealer and it won't happen...
Take it to the dealer, I think its a known problem for them.
I bought a remote on E-Bay for $30, and thanks to the programming instructions here on the bulletin board, it was simple to do and works perfectly. Thanks, guys!
The Mazda dealership also gave me a 2000 Owner's Manual they had sitting around, so if anyone needs one for 1998, I will send it to you for the cost of postage.