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- sparkplugs (platinum) installed: $220,-
- 60K miles service incl. sparkplugs $450,-
- timing belt $900,- all inclusive (service advisor said they recommend changing it at 75K miles, 60K was "too early", but he has also seen folks "pushing their luck to over 100K miles and doing OK with that") - so if I keep my car that long, I'll push my luck.
Tomek
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" I doubt if anyone here purchased a 2.3L supercharged engine in order to get to 60mph 1.5 seconds faster than a P version. Sheesh!!!"
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If not for more performance, I see no reason to buy a supercharged engine. The SC serves no other purpose than to raise the horsepower. I was subjected to the sales pitch concerning the 2.3S as well as the 6 disc in dash Bose stereo. I rejected both as well as other costly items, because after close to 50 years of owning and playing with cars I am all too aware of complex mechanical devices failing and costing a fortune to repair or replace. Live and learn. Oh, the standard CD/Cassette/AM/FM system is great on it's own.
Anyway, $220 isn't nearly as bad as $500. But it sure is a lot more than $48 for six plugs at $8 each. Of course that assumes a person can change them himself. If not, any even mediocre mechanic could.
What's funny to me on the power question, is that even the MM gets to 60 quicker than most cars of the "musclecar era" of the '60's and early '70's. The MMP is far from a slug. OTOH I remember being a high testosterone boy in need of an ego boost, and played with my share of hot rods.
BTW, I am well aware you are not a kid from earlier discussion, and was not inferring that. ;-)
1.Does 1996 models mast antenna(radios)have better clearness than the 97-02 in-glass antenna?
2. How often does the 96 spark plugs cause problems?
3.Are the projector lights any good on brightness compared to 97-00?
4. Can the 2.5L use regular(87) are does it have to use premium? using regular all the time will it mess up the engine or lose performance?
5. Does the 96L come with rear seat heater ducts in the 4-seasons package?
I dont know which one I should pick the 96L or a 98L both are fully loaded. I am trying to see which one has the better radio performance and more relible. I want be buying the car till Dec. or Jan.
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
2-The problem was with the spark plug wires, and was the only major problem I know of with either MM engine. It is otherwise rated "Outstanding" by Consumer Reports.
4-Premium gasoline is only "recommended" not "required" for the 2.5 engine. I have run 87 octane exclusively for 12000 miles with no hint of any problem, or noticable difference in performance from the 93 octane that the dealer put in the car new. No knock, no ping, no lag in acceleration. It runs great.
P.S. As a fellow Canadian I am sure the highest octane you can buy up here is 91. Sunoco has those higher blends but they also have up to 10% ethanol and I refuse to use any gas that has ethanol as part of the mix. I probably stated in an earlier post that I firmly believe that ethanol plays hell with neoprene seals and gaskets. Just a mental block I have I am sure but there it is.
FCC I.D. (USA) KPU41048 and for Canada: 2288 101 275 made by Naldec Corporation, Japan. Only one remote came with my used 2000 MMS and I made sure the one I bid on at eBay had the same numbers. I have had a number of cars with remotes and only once did I ever need the second remote but it is a cheap insurance if I should lose mine at the mall or at a drunken party. Yeah, right. I could call my wife and she could bring the other one. My wife's van has two of course and she has one and the other is on the front hall key rack which I grab when I am driving. fwatson has a 2001P so he could confirm the similarity or difference of part numbers on his remote. fairwood
Model 41701
P/N: TC86 67 5RY
Naidec Corporation Japan
... and to treat yourself to something nice(er), some people like the supercharger whistle :-)
When it comes to stereo systems, the sound is very important to me (I have a home theater system with a REL sub, for those who know what a REL is...) so I went with Bose.
But that just me.
Tomek
Yeah fairwood....I live in Vancouver, I paid $ 2.85 US per gallon for 91 Oct just the other day at Petro Canada. I'm just sticking to what the manual says. No Sunoco in BC.
In addition to higher fuel and routine maintenance costs, those tires and wheels will also cost considerably more to maintain and/or replace if and when the time comes.
I don't question the choice of MMS if it is truly what you prefer. But if I had been more interested in performance than overall style and quality, I would have gone back to the Nissan dealer and bought the Maxima. It has more power than the S, without the complexity of supercharger to get it. Yes, the MM has a more sophisticated rear suspension and rides much better than the Max.
Don't get me wrong. I do understand the overall appeal of Millenia. That is why I put my money on it instead of a more powerful but otherwise less appealing car.
You've paid much more for the Mill P than you would, say, for a Hyundai Accent. It'll cost you more in taxes, maintenance, gas, tires etc., etc. - above and beyond what those items would've been for Accent. But I guess you got more and it was worth the extra $$$ - just like what I paid extra for was worth the extra $$$ to me.
So we're exactly in the same boat :-)
At the prices we paid, all MM's are a fantastic bargain compared to anything else at anywhere near the price.
Enjoy yours, I certainly do mine.
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
ALLEN
Hopefully someone with experience with both an older and new MM will give you more help on that. But the radio tuners would still play a role in any comparison.
"I have looked carefully (I think) and nowhere can I find the Bose name on my system although it is the original and looks identical to Bose systems that I have seen photographs of on other Mazda web sites."
the standard sound system also looks identical to the Bose, with no name on it. I haven't used the Cassette player, but have put hundreds of CD's through one at a time, and they play and sound great. I really wonder what the difference is between the standard and Bose systems other than possibly higher power output in the Bose.
The previous owner told me it's better to use 89. Is that true? what grade gas you guys use?
thanks
Also, there is a TSB out advising not to use 93 in the P because of carbon buildup. Check post #2536 of 2584 by misty8
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(Bulletin No: 01-027/02
APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
All 1995 - 2002 Millenia models with 2.5L V6 (KL)
Description
After a cold start, MIL comes on with DTC P0300 to P0306 stored in the memory. In most cases, this concern may be caused by misfire occurring in one cylinder during idle. The use of premium fuel (high-octane fuel) may be allowing carbon deposits to accumulate on the exhaust valve seat, causing momentary insufficient compression.
To correct this concern, remove carbon deposits using a suitable top engine cleaner.
Note: After removing the carbon deposits, be sure to advise the customer to use lower-octane fuel (87 or 89 octane) to help prevent future recurrences.)
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/03169/193654.stm
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
Just to add- when I was leasing the Millennia the sales person wanted me to get the Bose and the "s" model. I told him no because I am in this for only three years, the base car is sufficient enough for me.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
I spent 4 hours on the Regal lot in Lakeland, Fl last Friday while getting my daughters Odyssey van repaired (recall for a bad ignition switch). Excellent treatment by everyone there.
That gave me a lot of time to check out the Acuras and Accords. The TL is an impressive car, but as I was looking over an RL, I couldn't help but notice that the right side of the hood did not sit level with the fender about midway. That rather surprised me seeing as it was one they chose to put in the showroom. I thought about you and the transmission problem that is so prevalent on the TL forums. Good luck with that. BTW, with just me and my wife at home now, I'd take the CL. ;-)
Now I better get back to MM's before Pat sends me another email for getting off base.
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I don't drive just for the hell of it so to speak. But after two years it's appearance still surprises me frequently. My wife took some pictures at Punta Gorda last Sunday, and after they were developed and I was looking at them, there was the MM in the background looking unbelievably beautiful. It is extremely photogenic. And It is still the most enjoyable of all the cars I have owned. Similar from what you say, to your total. If it holds up as well as it looks and runs (so far not even a minor glitch) I'll have it for many more years just because I don't want to get rid of it.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
I too admired the Catera. But just as Cadillac has done so many times, they took an import (this time Australian) and totally blew it. Thankfully I passed over buying one. I still see one occasionally and wonder how Pontiac will do with the Holden it is importing as a Gran Prix. Beautiful car, but from what I've read it is also trouble prone. We need to put the Ausies all in the Styling studio and keep them out of the engineering and manufacturing part of the business.
Heaven is where the police are British; the cooks are French; the auto builders are Italian; the judges are Swiss; the engineers are German.
Hell is where the police are German; the cooks are British; the auto builders are Swiss; the engineers are French. Keeping the Aussies in the styling studio brought this to mind. The Australian version of the Millenia was called the Unos or something like that. I'm sure someone here will correct me. Feel free. fairwood
"20th October, 2000
Millenia - new face, new name okay, it’s new
"Mazda Australia has opted for a new name for its Miller Cycle engine powered flagship saloon. Previously the Eunos 800, it will now be known as the Millenia."
http://www.fastlane.com.au/News_Mazda/Millenia_800.htm
"Millenia is part of an unfulfilled dream. A decade ago, Mazda saw Lexus and Infiniti succeeded in entering prestige car market, so it established two new brands, Xedos and Eunos, for Europe and Asia respectively, to market the prestige line of cars. Two prestige cars were developed, Eunos 500 (Xedos 6) and Eunos 800 (Xedos 9), intended to rival BMW 3-series and 5-series respectively. The American operation Amati was to be set up before the company went into financial trouble. Mazda woke up from the dream.
The Eunos 800 (Xedos 9) is still surviving today, but no one cares about its brand name any more. In Japan and North America, it is simply branded as Mazda Millenia."
http://autozine.kyul.net/html/Mazda2.htm
I know the base car can be optioned out with the Bose, this sales guy just wanted to milk my pockets for 40 more horses(170 base 210"S") and a few more watts.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
Overall, I love it and strongly recommend it to anyone looking for a quality car.
Haven't had any problems except for the tires due to hitting about 30 potholes last winter. That's not the car fault. Had to replace one tire last May, a Goodyear at $153 which was defective and was replaced last week by Sears at no cost to me.
Average mileage is only 20 mph which is disappointing. That does involve substantial stop and go traffic, though. Last week, had mostly highway travel and got 23 mph.
Have been using 93 octane but due to the high price of gas, I have used 89 a few times without any perception of decreased performance and there was no pinging. Plenty of pep when you step on the gas.
The car is so quiet at low speeds that it sounds like it not turned on. The night I bought it, I thought the engine had stalled out when I stopped at a stop sign! Of course I previously owned a Ford Contour which was very noisy. However, it is noisy when it is windy outside, more so than other cars I have owned. I'm not sure if this is due to the sun roof or from the tires.
Would like to get recommendation on regular tires and snow tires. It is terrible in snow with the regular tires.
Still love the looks of it and the paint job, sand mica. (Although I think the earlier models were better looking.) It is very distinctive looking. (The new flagship Lexus which costs 60K looks just like a Camry in in my opinion.) Bose stereo with 6 CD changer is great.
Air conditioning is weak compared to American cars. Luckily we don't have too many really hot days in Boston area. I will get a recharge next year and see if it makes any difference.
Leg room is tight. I am 5'10" (30" inseam) and if there was any less leg room I wouldn't have bought it. Is there a way to extend the seat? I don't think tall people would be comfortable in it.
Although it has the big 17 inch tires, I don't feel comfortable driving it much past 85-90. My Contour actually handled better at high speeds.
The transmission is much better matched to the engine then the 2000 models that I extensively tested. This is a major improvement in the newer models in my opinion. Also very little noise from the compressor. The earlier models that I tested seemed to be noiser.
Finally, does anyone know it you can buy a device to automatically turn the lights on when you start the engine?
As for mpg's I think 20-21 is what Mazda says you should be getting on this car in town. Your highway mileage is low, that should be closer to 27 mpg. I am getting 23-24 in town mpg and 27 on the highway. I am going to be taking a trip within a month through the midwest and I will see if the highway mileage goes up any.
With that said, I'm still glad I purchased a Millenia. No mechanical problems yet and it still rides well. $1200 isn't cheap, but I like that car and if I keep it for another 60k without any trouble, it's money well spent.
BTW, someone mentioned weak air conditioning in their S. The recharge should take care of the problem.
John
On the noise issue, it generally is not a problem, especially with the Bose system. It is primarily when it is windy outside and it almost sounds like something is open which is letting the noise in. I'll try it in the upcoming hurricane!
Unless there's some adjustment to the compressor that is necessary or some unusual item, it seems that most competent mechanics could do the work for less. I have been bringing it to a Mazda dealer most of the time for oil changes but I will see how much my regular mechanic will charge or see if he doesn't want to go near it.
(The dealer that I bought it from opened and closed in about six months. I still haven't figured out why. He has a large Mazda dealership about 50 miles from my home then opened this other one in a Chysler dealership about 20 miles away from me. That was the main reason, I bought it there and I also bought a warranty that is tied into the dealer somewhat with a "disappearing deductible.) I am going to see if I can cancel it and get some money back.)
It is probably a good idea to change all of the belts at the same time as a broken belt is probably one of the main reasons that the vehicle would break down.