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Put the Premuim in!
You'll also get noticibably less performance and worse gas mileage on regular.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Thus, I keep skipping lunch everyday since then. I can tie my belt one more hole by now. To further economize, I also keep driving slower. I cannot say which of these nasty behaviors is making me more unhappy and irritable!
Regards,
José
It`s the lack of food..Tony
I am going to slowly drive at the seaside to the very nice town of San Sebastian this afternoon to spend the week-end and then work there the first three days of the next week. San Sebastian has a very solid reputation in gastronomy, which makes me pretty miserable in my present condition.
Regards,
José
PS. Please receive you all my empathy because of the Katrine disaster.
Went out about 5am thinking I would avoid the long lines and hit a 24-hr gasoline station. They’re not 24-hrs anymore; the lower-priced gas stations are not selling gas overnight. I guess this is an effort to conserve their supply.
The pricier gas stations were open and selling gas.
I thought things would be different.
I remember back in the 70's when there were long gas lines, and that’s because gas stations back then weren’t 24 hrs. You couldn’t drive up to a gas station at 3am and “fill her up”; and I thought that led to the long gas lines that I remember from back then.
I figures now a days with the 24-hr gas stations there would not be a recurrence of those gas lines, or at least not to the length that they were back in the 70's, but if 24-hr gas stations aren’t going to be selling overnight, then I wonder: “Will the long gas lines of the 70's return in this new millennium?”.
Somebody once said “what’s old is new again”!
Thoughts anybody?
The long weekend and peoples fears of a gas shortage are causing thie run.
Let's just say it takes more skill...
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ABTW, the reporter who said Katrina is our tsunami was right. I've heard accounts from family of survivors, and they say that whatever you're seeing on TV doesn't do it justice--it's really a good ten times as bad as what we see. I just can't wrap my brain around that kind of destruction.
Since I can't visit dealerships in the US, I am having trouble determining if this is a fair deal. I have tried to phone a few dealerships. As expected, they are very cautious with telephone call inquiries.
Does anyone have any feedback for me? Good price? Are M5s expected to be a hot seller for dealerships? Limited supply?
My other option is to go with a 2006 550i for $63,000.
Thanks for the help!
How about this deal? You order an M5 for delivery to me and I will get a 550i for you plus hand you the $20k difference in small unmarked bills.
As far as I know, BMW never offered any European Delivery discount on the previous M5 or current M3. As such, and knowing that the previous M5 sold for around $75k with all options, the $83k price you have been quoted sounds very, very good.
By comparison, your $63k 550i quote sounds bad. I have priced out a 550i 6-speed with sport pacakge, premium sound package, cold weather package, navigation system and satellite radio. US MSRP is $65,340. The ED MSRP would be $61,320 ($4,020 savings). However, my dealer has agreed to sell it at $1,500 over the ED invoice price, or roughly $57,500. That happens to be the exact same price I am more likely to be paying for a Boxster S to supplement my perfectly acceptable Acura TL 6-speed. But it is very tempting to go for the 550i and I still can't figure out why some are paying upwards of $50-$54k for a 530i.
I would jump all over that fully optioned M5 at $83k. If you decide you don't like it, you could probably sell it on E-bay for $100k, given the very limited supply and long wait some of the early adaptors will be facing. My (small) dealer has 6 on the waiting list ahead of me and they only expect to get 3-4 per year.
Anybody know if a 88 528e automatic is a decent ride with a 212k on it? Its a one owner car in good shape. I've always liked older BMW's. Will this car be reliable. It has the 2.7 6 cylinder motor. I drive about 8000 miles a year, I need to get about 2 years out of it without it nickel and diming me to death if you know what I mean.
Will this be a high mantience car? Does it reguire any special oil filter's or anything like that. I looked online and prices for parts don't seem to cost anymore than any other car does. Any suggestions?
Thanx
d miller
And... any car with 212K miles will be a crapshoot.
Could I suggest a nice '92 Honda Accord with around 120K miles? I'm seeing a lot of those around my area with asking prices from $3K-$4K... Something like that would have a lot better chance of seeing you through a couple of years.. and would be much easier to sell, when you had to get rid of it.
Something tells me the price of that BMW might be around $1500, though you didn't say...
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kyfdx
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If you're getting a car that in demand for $12,000 under sticker, then I'd call that the deal of a lifetime.
However, I was previously quoted $1,500 over ED invoice by Passport in Maryland on a 5 series, and I believe they have been recommended by others in the Edmunds forum. I believe someone posted some time ago that they got $1,200 over ED invoice on a 3 series.
It is a completely bogus line that 'ED prices are not negotiable", even though several DC area dealers still try to stick to that pitch. In fact, for high demand cars, going ED is about the only way you can get a good deal. The cars do not come out of their limited US allocations and yet count towards their sales bonuses.
Invoice: $87,075.00
MSRP: $95,125.00
The price I was quoted and guaranteed was $83,000.00 delivered to any dealership in the US. I have committed cash to the order but am considering backing out.
For the 550i that I priced out, KBB lists:
Invoice: $63,335.00
MSRP: $69,325.00
I was quoted $63,000 even.
I am still pretty edgy about spending this much cash.
How does the gas guzzler tax work? The M5 lists a $3000.00 tax. Do I pay for the tax or does the final MSRP include the tax and BMW just forwards the money? Is this a federal tax?
Thanks everyone for the help and advice.
George
"The Energy Tax Act of 1978 established a Gas Guzzler Tax on the sale of new model year vehicles whose fuel economy fails to meet certain statutory levels. The gas guzzler tax applies only to cars (not trucks) and is collected by the IRS...The tax does not depend on your actual on-the-road mpg, which may be more or less than the EPA published value. The purpose of the Gas Guzzler Tax is to discourage the production and purchase of fuel inefficient vehicles. The amount of any applicable Gas Guzzler Tax paid by the manufacturer will be disclosed on the automobile's fuel economy label (the window sticker on new cars).
GAS GUZZLER TAX
Unadjusted MPG(combined)* Tax
at least 22.5 No tax
at least 21.5, but less than 22.5 $1000
at least 20.5, but less than 21.5 $1300
at least 19.5, but less than 20.5 $1700
at least 18.5, but less than 19.5 $2100
at least 17.5, but less than 18.5 $2600
at least 16.5, but less than 17.5 $3000
at least 15.5, but less than 16.5 $3700
at least 14.5, but less than 15.5 $4500
at least 13.5, but less than 14.5 $5400
at least 12.5, but less than 13.5 $6400
less than 12.5 $7700
* The combined fuel economy MPG value (55 % city, 45 % highway) is used to determine tax liability. The MPG value is also adjusted slightly to account for differences in test procedures made since the base year. The MPG value is not adjusted for in-use short fall. The unadjusted combined MPG of a vehicle can be approximated from the city and highway values provided in the Fuel Economy Guide and on this website by the following equation:
(1/(.495/city MPG + .351/highway MPG))+.15
Since this is an approximate calculation, the actual gas guzzler tax may be off by one tax bracket."
Hope this helps.
On the M5, you have been quoted $4,000+ BELOW US invoice! Relatively speaking, this is a phenominal deal on a limited production vehicle with a 1-2+ year waiting list. I suspect most M5's will be sold at full MSRP or above for the foreseeable future in the US, meaning for that particular car, you are $12,000 ahead of what everyone else will be looking at.
On the 550i, you are being qouted $300 under US invoice. Relatively speaking, this is a far less attractive deal, compared to what I know I can do through one of several dealers who are willing to discount the ED price. I would be at roughly $2,500 below US invoice ($1,500 over ED invoice), beating your price by more than $2,000.
Like I said, something is out of whack for them to be quoting you an almost criminally suspicious deal on a limited production M5, versus a deal that any average [non-permissible content removed] like me with decent negotiating skills and a willingness to travel to Germany can handily beat on a mass production 550i.
As to your edginess about parting with that much cash, that's something you'll need to come to terms with. I am having the same difficulty deciding between a $60k Boxster S and $100k 911S Cabriolet. I can afford either, but that's still a lot of cash with other opportunity costs. But if someone offered me the 911 S at a deal comparable to your M5 deal, I'd jump all over it, knowing that in the worst case, I can sell the car without taking a big loss. If you look at it that way, the M5 is by far the "cheaper" car, based upon your price quotes.
What I can possibly suggest is that you uncheck a couple of the option boxes on the M5 and get the price at or below $80k. There are definitely some superfluous items on that list. And the thought of a 2006 M5 at a price that is nominally above the former model would be tempting to Mother Teresa.
Best Regards,
Shipo
A quick question...What is "ED invoice"? Anything to do with a dealer holdback?
Thanks again!
BMW does not have dealer hold back.
When I was considering buying the last production run of the 2003 M5 through the diplomat/military purchase, the price quoted was $63,400, which had US MSRP of $71,095, so I'd say the "deal" is not so good anymore. I still beat myself up for not buying then. when I was shopping for CPO 03 M5 earlier this year, some had higher price tag than the brand new one I could have gotten in Germany. :mad:
How is it that you were able to test drive a 550i in August? Can you tell us more about it?
Thanks!
SEFH
Thanks for your reply. If you must know why I would own an auto, I have shoulder issues (essentially no cartilage left - surgeries not much help at this point) where any repetitive action (think using a computer mouse) causes chronic problems. Virtually all the cars I owned until about 8 years ago were standards, but I have been relegated to an auto after the problems started. Having been athletically very active my entire life, not being able to drive a stick is the least of my concerns.
Anyway, thanks for the info on the Tip lag.
From my brief test drive, the first thing I noticed was the nearly instantaneous throttle response. That was one of the subtle things that influenced me to get an M5 over the 545i back in late 2002. The 545i seemed powerful enough, but you had to push it a bit. The M5 just jumps to life and is more responsive in every way - handling and accleration. The new 550i appears to capture some of that subtlety. I only hope the engine responsiveness will not decline with the addition of US emissions.
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Jeannine Fallon
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I was quoted only $500 off MSRP by a dealer in S CA last night on a 550i. Would you please let me know your dealer info so I can order this car from them.
Thanks
Passport BMW in Maryland will discount ED prices. My hometown dealer in PA does not want to advertise that they discount ED prices, so I am honoring that request.
However, since you are in California, you really need to find a California dealership that will discount ED prices (or at least one relatively nearby, but not on the east coast). At one time, there was a website "www.eurobuyers.com" run by Steve Diamond who, I believe, lived in California and, for a reasonable fee, arranged discounted European Delivery for BMW purchasers through his dealer contacts. Not sure if he's still around, but you might want to "Google" him.
I hope I was clear and that you do understand that the price I was quoted was for BMW's "European Delivery" program, and that it requires you to pick up the car at the factory in Germany yourself.
If you want all-seasons, why not Michelin Pilot Sport A/S?
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