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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Do you really think you will get 25-30k miles miles out of the Michelin's? That seems like quite a lot from a high performance tire that can't/shouldn't be rotated. I've been watching the tires on my Honda S2000, and am guessing that I will get 15-18k out of the rears and 20k out of the fronts. And I drive relatively conservatively (got 50k+ per set on my Maxima).

    Also, how was your experience with Tire Rack?
  • dabimmerdabimmer Posts: 165
    I,also, have Pilot Primacy's on my 2001 530 and have 12,800 mi on them. The front tires look brand new,the rears show slightly more wear, they have never been rotated. If I get 25K miles on them I will be very happy. The tires are very Good INMHO. Are they the best Grand Touring tires available, probably not. I do not notice any excessive noise and they do not tramline. If you read the Tire Rack reviews for this tire you get the impression it is not a good tire but they have been excellent for me and my way of driving. I have not personally ordered tires from Tire Rack but I did order some Dunlops for my sister's Bimmer and they were drop shipped to a local tire place near me and we took her car in and did the installation in under 45 minutes and the tires are great and she is very happy. I would definitely recommend them and will purchase through them for our two vehicles. The savings are substantial, she saved about $100 total over the same tires at a local tire dealer.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I am guessing on the 25-30K, however, based upon the following items, it's probably a reasonably accurate estimate:

    1) I had 40K miles on my previous 328i when I turned it in, on the original (un-rotated) tires. Said tires were Michelin MXV4 Energy Plus All-Season tires with a Tread Wear rating of 400, the fronts could have easily gone another 20K miles, while the rears had only 10-15K miles left. The Michelin Pilot-Primacy tires carry a Tread Wear rating of 220 (I'm not sure if this is a linear scale or not), and my understanding is that, based upon that rating, they should last at least half as long as the 400s, given similar driving characteristics.

    2) When I took the Pilot-Primacys off last fall (so I could mount my winter tires), they looked practically brand new after 8K miles.

    Regarding TireRack.com, I bought my winter Wheel/Tire combo from them, and I was very pleased with their professionalism. The price was right and they showed up when they said. I will use them again.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I did a little bit of snooping around, and I found that the most significant difference between the "Performance" Michelin Pilot-Sport tires and the "Luxury Performance" Michelin Pilot-Primacy tires is tire noise.

    Will I buy the same tires when my current ones wear out? Depending upon what else is available then, probably.

    Would I buy the same tires today if mine are somehow ruined? Yes.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • blueox2blueox2 Posts: 19
    I spoke to my local tire dealer. He tells me that low profile tires vary in the amount of noise they produce but that they should never be loud. He suspects abnormal wear (feathering or cupping) due to poor alignment as the root cause. I'm relieved to hear that and Shipo's experience with the Michelin's because I really do like this 2001 530i. I plan to have the tires inspected. If they need to be replaced, I'll ask the seller to knock the price of the car down.

    By the way the mechanic at my local tire place (a guy I know and trust) says that low profile tires SHOULD be rotated (indeed, more frequently than regular tires). Do Dabimmer and Habitat1 have information to the contrary?
  • blueox2blueox2 Posts: 19
    Shipo,

    Which Pilot Primacy's do you have?

    235/45R-17 94Y (which cost $195.14) or
    235/45R-17 94W (which cost $269.92 from my local shop)

    Both are speed rated at "greater than 169 mph"

    Thanks,
    BlueOx2
  • blueox2blueox2 Posts: 19
    Sorry to plaster the board, but I did have an important question for the group: Do people think Edmund's TMV pricing really represents a true market value? They say that it is based on "prices actually paid" for vehicles. How would they get that data for private party sales? I based my negotiations on the TMV and the seller of the BMW 530i I am currently looking at has agreed to accept the Edmund's TMV price for the car. Are we striking a fair deal here? Thanks to all.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    It is my understanding that BMW recommends against tire rotation on the 530i, even though the front and back tires are (I believe) the same size. On many other BMW "sport" models (330i, 540i, Z3/Z4, M3/5 etc.) the rear tires are wider and rotation is not even possible. Uni-directional / asymetrical tread pattern tires should never be switched side to side, since the tread will face the wrong direction.

    Perhaps shipo or others can explain why BMW recommends against front to back rotation on the 530i (and non-sport 3-series) where the tire size is the same.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Tire rating Primmer:

    P=93 MPH
    Q=99 MPH
    S=112 MPH
    T=118 MPH
    U=124 MPH
    H=130 MPH
    V=149 MPH
    W=168 MPH
    Y=186 MPH
    Z=149+ MPH

    So, Tirerack essentially sells the "Y" or better tire for more than $70 less than your local dealer. Not too bad. ;-)

    I just stumped down to the basement (yes, I still am in a walking cast :-/), and checked my tires. BMW mounts the "Y" rated tires as standard equipment. Hmmm, it think it is a tad unlikely that my 530i will ever see anything anywhere near 186. ;-)

    Regarding tire rotation; I'll let "Click and Clack" take that one. Guys...

    http://cartalk.cars.com/Columns/Archive/2000/May/03.html

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • dabimmerdabimmer Posts: 165
    BMW does not recommend the rotation of tires on the 530 by citing different outside tire WEAR patterns from same side of car front to back.I would think that if one wanted to do it , one would have to rotate at very short intervals, say like every 3000 miles. Is it worth it? I don't think so. To me, a tire that lasts 25,000 miles has more than done its work and deserves to be replaced. There is no better reward for new tires than those first couple of thousand miles on a new set of shoes. When it comes around for my car I would consider Michelin Pilot Sport A/S, Firestone Firehawk SZ50EP and Bridgestone Turanza LS-Z. Just my 2 pennies. If I decide to stay with the Primacy's that would be fine with me , it is a very Good tire.
  • bmwdougbmwdoug Posts: 248
    I am looking at a 2001 530i with sport package and premimum package, but NO xenon lights. Are no xenon lights a deal breaker? The price of the car is $38500 and it is a CPO from a dealer with 20,000 miles. What do you think?
  • blueox2blueox2 Posts: 19
    bmwdoug,

    The Edmunds TMV for a CPO 530i with sport premium is $38,673. If you believe, the Edmund's data you'd be paying less than the average price actually paid by other consumers if you pay $38500.

    blueox
  • blueox2blueox2 Posts: 19
    Shipo,

    Thanks for stumping for me to check your tires. I see that there is much to learn about these complex vehicles. Who would have imagined that tire selection and rotation would be so complicated. Anyhow, thanks for the insights.

    BlueOx2
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,697
    I had a misfortunate mishap with a 3/4" thick steel plate in the middle of the road covering an open manhole in The Bronx a few months ago that resulted in a cracked rim, popped tire, a bent rear stabalizer bar, bent right rear ball joint, and bent right rear lower control arm on my 2001 Prelude Type SH. What does this have to do with the tire rack on a BMW 5 series board you ask? The Prelude's 205/50 VR16 Bridegestone Potenza RE-92s (a rare size) were selling at local tire shops for anywhere between $185 & $258. The Tire Rack shipped me the same tire for $140 right to my store. Very painless. The sales people are not pushy and are extremely knowledgeable (think a company full of Shipos) and courteous. A very pleasant experience (buying a new tire that is).

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    No problem, the closest I get to a BMW these days is looking at mine in the garage, and reading and writing about them here in the TownHall. I should be able to start driving mine when I get back from Taipei on the 17th, assuming that is, that I keep progressing over there (without the benefit of PT) like I am now.

    In the meantime, I will have to enjoy all things BMW vicariously through y'all. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Dude! I'm blushing again. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • bmwdougbmwdoug Posts: 248
    So, are you saying, in your opinion, the 2001 530i is the better deal? What about no Xenon lights? Not that big of deal?
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    ..I'm no going to resurect the whole ED debate again.

    But, bmwdoug, I sure hope there are lot more potential used car buyers like you around in around 2005/6 if I decide to buy a fully loaded (Xenon included) brand new 2003 530i for about $43k. Even if I wouldn't get the "CPO" price, the thought that there are buyers out there (as evidenced by Edmund's TMV) willing to pay only $5-6k less for a two year old car than a new one is comforting. I wouldn't buy the 530i with the idea of selling it in 2 years, but it's nice to know that it could be done at minimal depreciation.

    As for the lack of Xenon's being a deal killer, I would say that if you are prepared to pay that much for a used car, it should have exactly what you think is the essential equipment. Personally, I'd rather have a BMW 530i without Xenon's (without headlights, for that matter) than most other sedans with Xenon's.
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,422
    Personally I've owned xenons and non-xenons and I'm not sure they're worth all the extra bucks. Yes they are better especially if you drive in/& around a lot of country or rural roads. Yes they are worth more, but the question is, will one recoup the premium one invests when it comes time to resale with their impending replacement. I think much of their hype has become a status symbol. Bottom line: I'd buy the car first and foremost based on the car itself. If it has the xenons, it's a bonus.
  • pap5pap5 Posts: 144
    Yesterday, I finally got around to bringing my '01 530ia to the dealer for the software update that some have discussed here. The shop foreman said there were no bulletins that seemed to apply, but hooked it up to the computer anyway. Sure enough, there was new code to download. FWIW and for those who can make use of it, here are the part #s:

    -Basic control module, old 7511570, new 7519308
    -Programmed control module, old 7512670, new 7522354

    The throttle response seems noticeably improved; the car seems livelier. Slowly, after a slipping transmission repair, faulty throttle module replacement, and now this upgrade, the drivetrain quality is catching up with the outstanding handling, steering, braking, etc. that the 530 SP offers.

    Tires/Tire Rack -- To add my $.02 belatedly - When I removed the Pilot Primacies for the winter last December, they had about 17,000 miles on them. When I remount them next weekend (please, Lord!), I expect they'll be good for another 8K or so. They seem ideally suited to the character of the 530 SP - not ultimate performance tires by any means, but a fine 3-season balance of wet/dry performance, ride, noise, wear, etc.

    bmwdoug/habitat - Agree with habitat that a new car bought through ED is the best overall value. You don't have to convince me, since I did it almost 2 years ago. However, for some, it just may not work. And a CPO 2001 has one very attractive advantage that even a new BMW can't match: Warranty coverage (after deductible) until 100,000 miles.
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