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Wow! Even surpassed my lofty expectations. Dealer had an Ultra Luxury car in showroom but had to settle for the "un-loaded" version for the drive.
This car is smooth as "buttah". The auto leveling air vents were very effective. Salesman told me that there would be a 6 month wait if I didn't want to put down a $1K deposit. Hey, I can wait.
Most cars will arrive at dealers with the UL package (a $12K option). I think that is the one that I'll choose. The Levinson audio system was pretty amazing.
Lexus has thought of everything. They even provide a slot in your front visors for "security cards".
The control center in the armrest of the backseat is phenomenal! The back seat bottoms adjust to your comfort level. Of course, audio system controls, massager/vibrators in seats, climate controls...the works.
Base MSRP Quoted: $54,550
Car I drove (SR/HH options): $58,015 Drive-out $61,700.
Ultra Luxury Price: $68,740 plus TTL
This dealer has 100+ on waiting list. Expects to get shipment of 20-25 per month. I expect to get a call from him just after the new year.
In conclusion, I believe Lexus has just turned up the heat on Mercedes. One of the salesmen at this dealership just came over from a local Mercedes dealer. He was #1 in sales for Mercedes in this whole southern region last year. Said he was very concerned about the increasing amount of service issues with the S-class.
All sales hype aside....In my opinion, the new LS is as close as you'll get to perfection in an automobile. The attention to details and the subtle accents in and out of the car really impressed me. You should have been there when I floored it entering the freeway. The salesman reached for the restraints. He knew I meaned bidness. I could barely hear the engine shift into overdrive. Very smooth.
When you get a chance, get behind the wheel and let me know what you think. It's pretty awesome!
rollo, I agree with everything you said.
I've owned Mercedes and BMW's in the past and they never thought of doing something like that for me. Lexus has their dealers well trained in the art of true customer service. And another thing that is different from Mercedes and BMW is that my Lexus dealer does not charge outrageous prices for maintenance services.
Also, I drive the LS400 because I am 6'4" tall and it is about the only car that I sit in it comfortably -- driver, passenger, or rear seats. Would like to know if you think the SC430 will be equally as comfortable in the driver's seat.
Strange...
Still leaning towards the Ultra. Its got a lot of toys that will give years of fun for only $12K. If you priced the options separately, I think you'd hit $24,000 easily.
However, I have read many reviews on the LS in the
past and all refer to its lack of sportiness and
handling. My 1998 LS400 is my first experience
with Lexus and I tend to agree that it does not
handle as well as the Mercedes, BMW's, and of
course, the Porsche I have had previously. But with those cars I wore out my tires prematurely and had to pay too much for regular maintenance. I will say this that the Lexus LS car is the finest vehicle I ever drove and certainly the most
comfortable. I feel very safe in it. But as for
sportiness, this car is mistaken by many at the red light. I enjoy the thrill of beating most all
from standing still at the red light without
spinning wheels. In fact, it is almost effortless
-- certainly no strain on the engine. It is fast
as all get out and I like that. On the interstate
I can easily pass anyone and everyone. The older I get the less I really care about going around
corners at 60 MPH and with this car I would not
dream of treating it that way. This car is above
that sort of juvenile stuff anyway. :-)
I first checked the car inside and out. I really don't care for the front-end styling at all (neither did my wife) but they did a nice job on the rear-end even if it is wholly or largely copied from the S Class. This one had the Ultra-Lux Package with all that crap in the back seat that I, for one, will probably never use. This car also had the driver-adjustable euro suspension. The perforated leather was nice but I'm not sure about its long-term durability. As for the wood inlays, this car had gray wood and I honestly can't tell the difference between laminated real wood and laminated fake wood. It all looks about the same. Very nice I might add.
I took this car on some local road near the dealership in Mission Viejo, CA. I had my wife in the back seat so I couldn't really push the car too hard. I did hit it fairly hard through a few twisties and although there was noticeable roll, even with the Sport mode enabled and 17" wheels, the car didn't break or fish tail. Nor did the tires squeal. The ride was quiet as always but unfortunately, I didn't get to push it up to 80 or 90 mph on the freeway to check out that 0.25 wind drag coefficient. Maybe next time.
I would opt for the euro suspension but only if it's available as a separate option and not a requirement to buy the full Ultra-Lux package just to get euro.
As for price I got the usual sales BS - "If you're waiting in hopes the price will drop, you might actually see a price increase next year." Yeah, Right!
This car is a big improvement over the previous generation LS but bear in mind, it's still an LS and sportiness is not it's strong point but it is definitely more fun to drive than the LS400. You can feel the road more. I've said this before - Wait until it's been on the market a while. It's a great car but it's just a car. A production car. We're not talking about a limited edition collectable here.
Enjoy.
The rear looks better than the front, reminding me more of a RL than a MB. The trunk goes much further back than the outgoing model, and (a real surprise to me) there's a trunk passthrough! I hadn't heard this mentioned before, but it will be a real bonus as we go skiing almost every weekend in winter - no more carrying the skis inside the car!
Of well, there's 2 years of my current lease left, so I can start counting the days.
Is anyone going for a 2-year lease?
Anxiously waiting for my number to come up . . .
The model I test drove had the European suspension, Levinson stereo, and navigation system. As many of you have written, the car is extremely quiet, has every creature comfort and is a pleasure to drive. BTW, I am 6'5 inches tall and the car had plenty of leg room (the center console didn't bother my leg at all either) and plenty of headroom also. Quite amazingly, with the front seat all the way back, I could still fit in the back seat.
I will wait for the UL and pick between a couple of colors so I can get one sooner. Even though the European one looked great, I do not want to buy a luxury car and change tires every 15,000 miles (did you all see the disclaimer in the brochure? "....Tire life may be substantially less than 20,000 miles, depending on driving conditions. Please consider all this when selecting an LS43 with this option."
Anyway, another convert. I have researched many cars, done a lot of window and showroom shopping and am convinced this is the car for me. Once I sat in the car today and found out how comfortable and roomy it was, all questions were answered. Good luck everyone.
Anxiously waiting.
Stephen, 98 LS
I think it looks better than the crystal white.
Can anyone tell me if you can order Sport package with the UL package (I know that to get the Sport package, you have to add the $ 100 for the 17" tire upgrade)?
I was under the impression that the Euro Sport package is a lowered coil spring, and since the UL is equipped with air suspension, so, how do they do that, or is it just a switch in front of the shifter?
If you love little things like how smooth and quiet the window rolls, try out other parts in the cabin. For example, the smooth sound and feel when the rear seat cup holder slides out and the smooth click and release of the coat hanger. I also love the padded leather inserts on the inside door handles (where u slide ur fingers in to close the door) and handle on the roof near the doors. These guys take into account all these little details.
previously mentioned (no need for key, card on your person sends signal to open doors, etc.) is no longer mentioned? It has silently, and mysteriously, disappeared. There is still mention of it for the Japanese version - maybe to come here later on or next year.
would like more low end torque, but probably so smooth can't tell the power. Millions of gadgets, love the way the climate control temp button is separate from the touch screen and just right where your finger would touch it.
wife loved the car. the ecru wood--steel grey, doesn't look like wood, but my wife said it is well intergrated into the dash colors. I like the real wood look, maple, birdseye, etc. funny how the ultra lux has just two woods-ecru for light interior and reddish walnut for the darker tones.
lots of head and rear seat room. the vibrating seats is more like a "buzz" then like the cadillac sciatzu deep kneeding. didn't like that. as far as all those options, i'll never use them, the vibra seats my wife hates.
they told me the lexus link had to be ordered with the $ 2300 phone, i asked them to check that. I'm sure the lexus link can be a separate option.
so i'll probably order the following
white/ecru leather/nav-lev/ lexus link
+/- euro tuned suspension
if the tires last only 15-17k miles, maybe i shouldn't get the upgrade--and just stay with the standard tires and suspension. what do you think.
I agree about the buzzy back seats and that I'll never (hardly ever) use it either.
Interesting allotment among the 4 dealers around here. Mine got one, can't sell yet, he says. Thirty miles away, the dealer got 3 and already sold one, he says.
:>)
(just a joke enigma. Having fun here. Sounds like a very neat system)
robh3,
You're not funny at all!
(haha. just a joke)
what i have in my mind right now is if you say "hello" will it say "hello" back?
My dealer says Lexus Link does NOT require cell phone. Lexus Link is actually kind of like an analog cell phone that can only call Lexus.
Custom Luxury removes Lexus Link, back seat stuff and active suspension. Personally, I don't care if I loose the Link and the "buzz". But I do want the smoothest possible ride.
Does anyone know if you can actually feel the difference between the standard suspension and the active suspension? Under what conditions?
I see Edmund's posted their review today. Pretty much the same as the others, less style bashing.
Back to price, I understand why dealers will insist on MSRP due to pent up demand, but the invoice and list prices are SUBSTANTIALLY apart. You would think they should consider some negotiation - the demand won't last that long and then they will be forced to deal. Granted, the car is a great value compared to the Benz and Bummer, but the profit margin is pretty steep. Paying, for instance, an added $2300 for a $200 phone and some wiring, on top of $68.5K for the supposedly loaded car sort of annoys me. Judging by the Autosite report, there is approx $10K in profit built in already, plus holdback. Still, it is a good value versus the competition.
Happy Motoring. ;-)
Pocahontas,
Edmunds.com/Roving Host
I need insight as to the "value" of the tire upgrade. Also, i thought the 17" tires where more touring and not low profile. the brochure says "v" rated.
what do you guys think--
Wasn't as impressed with the Mark Lev. stereo, but generally scored it better than the Benz.
(1) The front seat do heat and cool, but not much. My MB heated seats would get hot and feel real good on a cold day. These take the chill out, but don't really got hot.
(2) The wood boeardox wood looks really back in bright direct sunlight. Really bad. A sort of shiny purple.
But the value still is better than anything else for $70K and the car road so smoothly...
Fred
So now the quest for a ls430. when i said i wanted the lexus link, get this--eurotuned with lexus link+nav not available till spring. so i may have to drop the eurotuned suspension. i want the lexus link for safety (mb it is standard on that class vehicle). This bums me out, i would also like to get sonar parking, but noooooo not available. when is lexus going to loosen up with the options. from a business sense, doing it right with lots of options pays off the bottom line but leaves customers lacking. some of us want a new car waiting this long to find out that perhaps we should have gone with another make, gets frustrating. I hope lexus reads these boards, because customers see rigidity rather than customer care. so do i wait till spring? maybe something else. i'll wait as the year comes to a close maybe things will change.