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Which plant makes the most reliable Volvo?
How reliable the S60’s are? Any report about this?
In terms of problems, how different are the new productions from the 01's?
I have a 2001 S60 and in less than two years with the car I have had three issues that have disabled the car completely.
First, last October, after a short drive, my S60 overheated and spilled out all of its coolant out of nowhere. The car was taken to the dealership and they could not find a problem and therefore was returned to me.
Second, a month later my transmission went out and Volvo had to order another one from Sweden to be replaced.
Finally, 6 months later the car overheated again and Volvo finally found out the cooling fan was bad and now that needs to be replaced. They have told me that cooling fans are on back order.
While I am waiting for this car to be fixed I am talking to Volvo to see if I can get out of my lease. I like the Volvo image and their reputation, but my recent problems are starting to have an affect on my idea of them. I am hoping that these problems are unique to my individual car. Therefore, if I move into another one I am hoping not to have the problems. Am I wrong to think that I should not be having these problems with this car? The reason I spent the extra money for a Volvo was to have a reliable car.
Personally, I would have an issue with a service department that couldn't recognize a faulty fan the first time around. I don't see this as a problem with Volvo or their cars in general. Just my humble opinion.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
As far as a free loaner. They ARE doing that, aren't they? Heck, I've been getting a free loaner everytime I take my Volvo in for any service (warranty or not) and I bought this Volvo used!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
p.s. I bought it new...8 miles on it after my '97 850 caught fire & burned (another story, but a recall they won't stand behind now...so much for consumer loyalty!)
Luckily, they are giving me a free loaner and they have done that each time I have had to bring the car in (which has been one too many times, unfortunately). I am presently talking with the dealer and Corporate to see if they will buy me out of my lease and move me into another Volvo. As of yet, no response.
Thanks again for the tips.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Many carmakers like Honda, Toyota, GM, etc. have their dealerships in every city at a dime a dozen, so you'd think they would be clamoring all over each other to sell and retain your business. However, many are only in the business of attracting first time buyers, and not interested in keeping repeat customers. It's very interesting how a salesman can seduce you into buying that one car they really want to sell you and then when you need service, whether it be warranty or otherwise, the dealership could care less. The luxury car market seems to be different to me, at least for now. I like knowing that I have a 6 year warranty and can get a loaner when I need service. (And believe me, if Volvo doesn't live up to what their warranty says I'll be telling them about it!) It's kind of sad that we have to keep taking our business elsewhere just to get good old fashioned customer service. I won't pay (or settle) for anything less or mediocre.
I'm wondering if my original equipment tires were replaced after the demo period, and how the Continentals compare with the original Michelins. Anyone know the factory stock tires that come on the S60? (I didn't have any of the special wheel or sport options, though my car did have the weather package).
Mike B. in OKlahoma
My questions are: Do you see any issues with this? Should I be concerned about anything in particular?
The car is on lease, and I do not intend on purchasing it past the lease end. However, as far as the service goes, I do intend on upkeeping it (as plan above) to Volvo specifications/recommendations.
Thanks!
Damon
http://www.velocityphotos.com//images/stk/2004/vl2004s8002.jpg
I like the high contrast between the light panel and the dark grey center stack.
http://www.volvopalmbeach.com/pdf/2003_S60_Brochure.pdf
You can get the T5 geartronic and sport seats on the 2.5T.
All your missing is the engine and sport suspension.
The extra power of the T5 only manifests itself if you flog the engine. Driven normally, the 2.5T feels the same.
Problem with the T5 is that most of them end up in the $38-40,000 neighborhood and for a little more you can have an R.
As far as the 2.5, volvomax is exactly right. Unless you are someone who likes to push your car hard (like me), then you don't need to step up to the T5. It is very european in its power delivery (e.g., it runs like a bat outta hell above 50 mph). Its not even a huge jump over the 2.5 in straight line acceleration to normal highway speeds in stock form, but, modifying both models will produce a bigger gap in performance. So, for around town, the 2.5 is more than adequate.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Does anyone, who owns a S60 have any experience in that regard? Has that been an issue at all?
If so, did Volvo make any changes for the 2004 model?
All comments are welcome.
Thanks.
Since 1998, I have lived in a high-rise with a rather tight parking garage, tight enough that I actually had scraped a corner twice in my former 1995 Chevy Lumina (no guffaws, please!). I was consciously looking to buy a car that was smaller than the monstrous Lumina, and hopefully had a tighter turning circle.
Anyway, my 2003 S60 2.4t has about a foot smaller turning circle than my old Chevy, and is considerably shorter (twenty inches) and slightly narrower (an inch or so). I find this is enough difference to make navigating the parking garage a lot easier. I have to admit that U-turns are still going to be a sweeping affair, though I haven't done many yet.
If you like the car in other ways, I wouldn't let the u-turn problem bother me.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_- id=6848&page_number=4
Also, the handling in the 2003 felt loose & sloppy. Have they improved this with sport suspension?
Thanks!
As mikebinok comments, turning circle is really specific to ones' own situation. Unless you need to navigate a real tight turn, turning circle should not necessarily be a reason to eliminate the S60.
Typically, a 3 foot difference in turning circle would have to be due to a longer wheelbase (doubtful in the case of the S60R since the baseline body is identical for both the S60 and the R) or to reduced turning geometry of the suspension (possible as a result of the active chassis).
Unfortunately, Volvo has yet to publish turning circle data for the S60R. (And, there is no guarantee of accuracy - check the fine print about specifications being subject to change....)
Intuitively, 42 feet curb-to-curb seems excessive. Heck, my Yukon Denali with a 112 inch wheelbase has a 38 foot curb-to-curb turning circle with 265/70-17 tires. Volvomax, can you shed some light on this?
http://new.volvocars.com/r/specs.shtml
You have to scroll down a bit. I don't like that it is 42.7' but it's still an awesome car.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
First, Volvo's are FWD cars w/ long transverse mounted engines.
Second, wide tires on the S60R.
The combination means that the front tires can only turn so far, can't turn a full 90 degrees.
A RWD car, like the old 940/960 could turn its wheels further and therefore turn sharper.
Sadly, there is no solution for the S60.
You could install smaller steering stops but then the tires would rub the fender liners.
I was always overjoyed when I could do such tight turns with those cars. However, then I drove the S60R and thought it was the best combination of everything else but the turning circle is huge! Oh well, it must be my destiny.
For those of you that think the T5 is equal to the 2.4T in any way, you are wrong. Our T5 wagon will smoke the S60 2.4T, or 2.5T in all acceleration tests. I will admit that they both have the same electronically limited top speed of 130 MPH.
I live in Germany and have the opportunity to experience the governor occasionally. I enjoy showing my boss and his S60 2.4T who gets to 60, 100, and 130 faster. We have only tried this twice but I'm confident the T5 motor will continue to hand him his butt. Our cars, unfortunately, are both autos.
For those that are considering ordering the S60R, does anyone want the Flash Green? Let me know your reasoning. Thanks.
Paul
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Are there any other differences between this car in 2003 and 2004?