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Avg cost to certify a used Volvo, including the warranty is @ $3000. Plus, the dealer wants a profit.
As far as things to look for I can't make any recommendations as all-is-well with our 2002 at 57,000 miles.
Before all that, though, do test drive the hell out of it, and don't ignore the niggling things. Like I said, it's very solid feeling... there's rather a cockpit feel about it which you will need to like. (At least in my sporty T5)
Good luck.
I was also wondering if dealers sometimes allow buyers to accompany them to auctions where they can cherry-pick from newly off-lease cars. Volvomax?
I was looking at consumer guide to see what car I want to buy and narrowed it down to 3. S60R, TL-S, G35s.
They are all about the same price and similar warranties.
One thing that stood out is 3yr/36K mi included maintenance on Volvos.
Is this true?
If so, why did the Volvo dealer not tell me?
WHy does Volvo sell 3yr, 4yr, 5yr, 6yr and 7yr pre-paid maintenance packages?
Has anyone bought one of these and if so, have you haggled the price down?
Please help clarify
Bornracer
Contrary to popular belief there are no such things as "quotas", esp for used cars.
The desk, not the salesperson determines the price of the car. No desk manager worth his salt would lose money just to get a salesperson to a higher number, or himself for that matter.
Obviously, the deal was good for you and the dealer and that is what matters in the end.
The first service is free on 06+ cars.
Volvo currently sells pre-paid maintenance, but it isn't that great a deal.
I once heard, that turbos won't last as long.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
Obviously, the better you maintain the car the longer it will live.
The turbo should last the life of the engine.
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It's a bushing on the lower control arm that's going bad.
The dealer will charge $760 to replace all 4 at once. (It's only a $25 part). Then they recommend alignment.
I also have had the steering fluid reservoir replaced twice due to a badly designed part. (At dealer's expense) I saw some other complaints about this on another forum. I know there was a service bulletin about the reservoir, but no recall.
If others have this problem, we should contact Volvo and the NHTSA to get a recall going.
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Now I have another issue. While the mechanic was fixing the control arm bushings today, he looked around and found a small leak at the power steering rack. After scanning some other forums briefly today, now I'm wondering if this leak has in any way been caused by the lack of power steering fluid in the system. anyone know?
How long can I drive with the PS rack leaking?
So the reservoir was replaced? How long ago? Maybe a fitting was not tightened properly or even cross-threaded.
You can drive forever with a PS leak. Just keep adding fluid. Its just not environmentally friendly or convenient, however.
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Any ideas? The dealer's service shop (with which I have to date been quite happy) said it couldn't duplicate the noise.
Bottom line: brand new Civic LX is the same price as the 2004 S60 2.5 T (at 30,000 to 40,000 miles on the clock).
We've driven both of them. Yes, they are in different categories - we know that.
Honda is nice and brand new, but it is Honda Civic - small and very firms seats and ride.
Volvo offers smooth and comfy ride, lots of power. Higher class, definitely.
Since we are commited to spend the money, we are looking ahead for maintenance, repairs etc.
Reliability and dependability. Edmunds shows "True Cost to own" for the Civic is less than the S60.
I still like the Volvo 2004 better.
Hard to decide.
Opinions will be appreciated.
You will get much more of everyday satisfaction with Volvo.
I still like the Volvo 2004 better.
If you don't get what you like, you will always regret it.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
But getting back to your question, I think it comes down to what usually wins when you wage a 'heart vs. head' competition. Costs being equal, sounds like you derive more pleasure from the Volvo's driving experience. Of course you do. But if you're anything like me, and put a lot of stock in practical matters such as cost of ownership and reliability, then Honda may provide more ownership pleasure over the long term.
If you don't mind my throwing a monkey wrench into your decision, consider a 2004 Acura TSX. It's in your size and price range, it's a lot of fun to drive, and like all Hondas, the price of ownership is about as low as you can get. Given your criteria, it may be the best of both worlds.
To me the most acceptable add-on was the need for new front brakes. Many of the other services they suggested/performed-- tranny flush, coolant flush, power-steering flush, etc, -- should have come up at other service points or should have been part of the 60k service with more accurate and realistic pricing. It's called managing expectations, folks.
I went ahead with the suggested services due to the fact that many of them had never been performed though the car is 5 years old and driven in a mountain/snow environment. However, I am very unlikely to return to this particular Denver dealership now that the car is well out of warranty.
Cost to own aside, it remains the best car I've owned to date. Which may or may not be saying much in this lineage: Chevy Nova > Datsun pickup > Plymouth Valiant > Volvo 164 > Jeep Cherokee > Honda Accord > Jeep Grand Cherokee > Volvo S60 > Honda Civic > Toyota Prius.
flushing 100k mile coolant at 60k? nope.
flushing steering fluid? who does this?! no thanks.
Always follow the owners manual. Not that I blame them, but service departments are out to make money (of course). You have to tell them exactly what to do and when to do it. This goes for all cars from all manufacturers.
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I like the front and the rear is ok.
But with Volvo putting the s60 against the C-class, 3series, and A4, where will the S40 go?
-Cj :confuse:
Anyone with thoughts on this?
S60 has always been pitted against the C-class 3 Series etc.
S40 is a class below.
AWD.
That is an S80 w/ the new 285hp 3.0l I6 Turbo.
The current 5cyl will go away when the current S60 does.
The new S60 will be powered by the 3.2L I6 and the 3.0L T6 and maybe a more powerful turbo 6 as well.
So, if you are doing mostly city driving, that is exactly what you should get.
You may do a little better on the 91 octane fuel, but it mostly boils down to how and where you drive.
-Cj
NO THANKS!
If you want a FWD 3.5 duratec, why not just go buy any of the Milan/Fusion/MKZ triplets?
I, for one, hope Volvo stays Volvo. I'll take the 300hp 2.5 turbo any day of the week!
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The 3.5l V6 is a Cyclone.
ITs only in the Edge, MKZ, MKX, CX-9
Any I wouldn't buy 1 because they're not Volvo or as safe as volvo.
But on a serious note, I think the S60 should get the 3.5 instead of the 3.2. Why Volvo doesn't use the 3.5l v6 in the XC-90 is beyond me anyways.
If given a turbo, I hope its the 2.4 and 2.5. If volvo gives all the fun Turbos to the S60, what reason will anyone have to buy the s60 if the s40 is nearly the same but at a cheaper price? The s60 is bigger outside but the s40 is bigger inside.
-Cj
But you are right, it doesn't appear to be as widely used in Ford products as I thought, although I'm not sure why. My guess is that will change very soon.
You may also ask why Land Rover chose the 3.2 I6 from volvo. There is something to be said for an inline configuration. Just ask BMW.
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Compare the specs - especially interior passenger volume. The S60 has only 2 more cubic feet of interior volume than the S40 and it's exterior dimensions aren't much bigger. Both are classified as compacts.
Volvo won't use V6 engines in their cars. the I6 is smoother and more space efficent.
The new 3.0L T6 engine develops 285hp.
I think volvos case is similar to acura's 3 simarly sized sedans that in some way compete with each other. I think volvo can go back in time and make the s60 RWD (not that theres anything wrong with FWD/AWD) for more sportiness and to have something unique about it. A reason to have the s60. The s60 should only have the 236 hp I6 or the 2.4l I5 and the 300+hp R.
Can you tell me more about the T6 engine? Is it the old Twin Turbo once used in the XC90?
-Cj
Single turbo.
Volvo is committed to FWD/AWD so don't expect a RWD sedan from them.
The S40 and S60 really are different cars.
Most people really only like one or the other.
However, we are close to the end of this model year for ordering an 07.
BTW, i think that if you wait until the GENEVA show, you may get a sneak peak at the next s60. Then you could choose if you wanted to wait for the new model or not. By then, theres the Model year end savings and a huge drop in the resale of the 2006model and older. Then again, thats what I would do.
-Cj
-Cj
actually, it makes the same hp as the 335 and only 5 lb-ft less torque.
and it only makes 6 hp less than the G, yet has 27 more lb-ft.
and only 6 hp less than the IS350, but 19 lb-ft more. but the IS only comes with an automatic, so its a secretaries car anyway. :b
AND, according to carsdirect, I can get an S60R for $33,426. Ain't no way I'm getting a 335i for that price.
I was quite sad to read about the demise of the R. We were pondering a next-gen V70R.
Now what the heck do we do?
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The 2008 s40/V50 look GREAT, like mini s80's. The s60s current position in the lineup is so overlapped IMO. The s40 outshines the s60 and the s80 is a better overall car than the s60 IMO.
I guess RWD is something to make it stand out again but who knows what Volvo may do. I hope the s60 gets something unique to make it standout. More rear room wouldn't hurt also...
What platform is the s60 on? Should it be moved to the one ford uses with the Fusion/Mazda 6? A volvo version of the edge would be cool as it may be able to handle the XC90's v8. It would make a Great XC70 instead of some Higher wagon.
-Cj
Volvo had its own platforms, no need for Mazda's.
Mazda uses a watered down Volvo platform for the Mazda 3 anyway.
The new XC60 is coming in about a year, don't expect the V8 though.