Hyundai Sonata 2005 and earlier

riez · July 2003

ray_h71... Isn't the basic bumper-to-bumper warranty 5 yr/60K? Isn't there also a separate 6yr/70K powertrain warranty? Plus the roadside assistance coverage.

Due to the advertised HP problem, owners like myself (MY2000 Sonata GLS V6 5-speed) got the choice of extending portions of the warranty. I chose to add 1 yr/12K onto the original b-to-b warranty. That gives me 6yr/72K. Believe that is fully transferable.

tahugoreng... You should try to buy a used Sonata in which the original owner chose the added 1yr/12K b-to-b extension.

ray_h71 · July 2003

riez, I believe you're right - the basic warranty is for 5 years/60,000 miles. I confused the "basic" warranty with the 3 year/36,000 mile radio and paint limited provisions. With the 2002 models, Hyundai went to the 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain coverage to the original owner or immediate family members only. tehugureng would at the least benefit from the unused portion of the 5 year/60,000 mile basic warranty even for powertrain items (excluding normal consumables). I don't know whether the "advertised HP issue" 1 additional year/12,000 additional miles extension (bringing the basic warranty to a total 6 year/72,000 miles would be transferable to subsequent owners, though.

risa4135 · July 2003

We have a 2002 Sonata and we love it. The only complaint I have is with the remote locks. You have to be practically on top of the vehicle in order the the keyless remote to work. Using the remote with the doors is "OK" meaning I can stand 5 or 6 feet away, but opening the trunk is really a problem. You can be 2 or 3 inches away from the trunk and will have to try 5 or 6 times to get it to open. The batteries has been replaced and the dealer even replaced the remotes themselves but it still doesn't work "right". They informed me that they all work like this, meaning that you have to be really close. I don't mind being close but I still think there is something else wrong. Anyone else have this problem?

ray_h71 · July 2003

But first try replacing the transmitter's lithium battery. I know that these batteries are long-lived in computer applications to maintain memorized configuration settings, but in these transmitters, though only briefly engaged, they're subject to much heavier current draw. I just checked my own 2003 Sonata and its range is about 30' (directly behind the car) whether unlocking/locking doors or activating the trunk lid.

The trunk lid button >does< have to be pressed continuously for at least full second - and at that the trunk releases as the button is released. Probably programmed that way for security so owners don't inadvertently "pop" the trunk lid without realizing it.

wpbharry · July 2003

Hi ray, sorry, was away for a LONG 4th weekend. THANK YOU for the extensive Sonata vs. XG posting. If you don't work for Hyundai, maybe you should (LOL).

I know that there's a separate Amanti board, but back at the time of the NY Show, the press (including AutoWeek, Car&Driver and MTrend; I don't read Automobile or R&T anymore, the latter having ticked me off with incessant Porsche and IRL/CART articles at great length) all indicated that the Amanti was merely a current XG with a length stretch (and framed windows). Frankly, I think the front end of it is hideous (and this is after Kia was made to go back twice to restyle it!).

What I'm really getting at, and most interested in, is that if the Amanti is in fact a new platform, then that gives me hope for a new Sonata for '05, maybe. I'm convinced that the next Sonata will be another big leap up and would prefer to wait (plus I'm fond of not buying old-style models, sometimes to my detriment). Dealers earlier this year were all complaining about no new Hyundais in the pipeline until at least '07, so I'd given up on them. Then I saw a posting about someone having seen a spy shot of the next Sonata. ???

Maybe it's just a case of Hyundai/Kia being even more secretive than Honda, and that's a tough thing to top.

uga91 · July 2003

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site815 · July 2003

XG, Amanti(Opirus), Sonata are all stamped in Asan from the same assembly line.

They are all what you would call same platforms.

NF Sonata will be out in Spring 2004 in Korea, 1 year delay for US.

NF Sonata will use CVVT Theta I4 and CVVT Delta V6 with new body platform.

Theta I4 will be 2.2 Liter size and have 165HP@6500rpm.

Delta V6 2.7 will be 185hp@5500rpm.

ray_h71 · July 2003

I'm curious. Since the "Delta" V6 will remain at 2.7 liters, and since that engine's already spec'd with a 10.0:1 compression ratio, where's the 15 hp. upgrade coming from? Variable valve timing?

lngtonge18 · July 2003

CVVT is Hyundai's version of variable valve timing so that will be what increases the power of the V6 and the four cylinder. If Hyundai's 2.2 liter really makes that much power, I will be very impressed! That's the same power that Nissan gets from a 2.5 liter!

site815 · July 2003

torque will be upgraded to about 27kg/m via VVT

The Theta power results from high rpm. note 165hp@6500rpm.

riez · July 2003

Not sure what the excitement is about. Only a mere 185 hp from 2.7L V6? Isn't this close to what Hyundai used to advertise for the old 2.5L V6? And the increase comes with CVVT? Heck, Toyota gets 180 hp from its little I4 in the Matrix/Vibe. Doesn't Nissan's hot Sentra get about 175 hp from its I4? Thinking the Altima 2.5 I4 is in this ballpark. Ford used to get about 200 hp for its Contour SVT with 2.5L V6.

This works out to be only 68 hp per liter of displacement. Only a bit barely more than 1 hp for each cubic inch of displacement. That was considered decent in the 1960s when CIs were in the 400 and up range. But this isn't much to write home about today.

Hyundai really needs to wring at least 200 HP in this class and with its size. The Tiburon screams out for more power, much more than 185 hp, as does the Santa Fe.

What are the torque figures for the future engines? Hope those numbers are up!

Keep in mind that Americans like low-end torque. Off the line power. Bet more Americans would prefer a torquier 2.5L I4 over the smaller 2.2L I4, esp. for the majority of cars sold with automatics. Don't think too many Sonatas will be hitting 6500 RPMs very often!

ray_h71 · July 2003

The Matrix I4 is, indeed, spec'd at 180 hp. At -7,600- freakin' RPM! In order to extract any type of performance, this burner has to be kept on full boil. Not only poor tractability in city driving, but it also raises questions about long term durability with the quality of motor oils typically obtainable in the U.S. When the Honda V6 was developed, it "only" delievered about 170 hp. in its 2.7 liter configuration. Further development has it at 220 hp. now and 3.0 liters. I imagaine the revised "Delta" V6 will be in a mild state of tune for at least a year before Hyundai tweaks it more. I also imagine this motor is capable of displacement increases, too. Hyundai learned a particularly hard lesson in the years 1991 - 1998 about offering too much, too soon. By the way, the current Camry 3 liter V6, with VVT, is spec'd at 192 hp. That works out to 64 hp/liter. And only with the advantage of 191 octane premium gasoline at that. Perhaps Toyota might want to consult Hyundai on engine development... The Mercedes Benz C-Class sedan has a 2.6 liter V6 rated at 168 hp. 64+ hp/liter. VVT. Premium fuel required. Another candidate for help from Hyundai? The vaunted Nissan Altima 3.5 liter V-6*, VVT, premium gas, holds its own at 68.5+ hp./liter, but only slightly so when compared to the speculated specs on the Hyundai VVT 2.7 liter Delta V6* that you seem all too ready to dismiss as old news. My "puny" 170 hp Sonata V6** (you know - the one that many disgruntled owners are ranting about a class action suit against Hyundai for misreperesentation?) had no trouble marching right past a Mercedes C-Class with the 2.6 liter finely crafted and engineered poster child of precision German efficiency up a 19 mile 8% grade in locked TC and overdrive on the way to Phoenix. (63- hp/liter) I had my A/C on - I don't know about the other guy. The C-Class is within 18 lbs. curb weight of the base Sonata V6. So, yep, I'm looking forward to slipping behind the wheel of a 2005 Sonata V6 for a test spin.

*Yes, I'm aware that this engine with exhaust system and engine management chip tricks can go to 285 hp in the new "Z", but this discussion is really about family cars. I'd like to see the "Z" that can comfortably haul mom, dad, 15 yr old "jr", 13 yr old "sis", five bags of groceries, a 40 lb. bag of "Doggie Dins", and a 50 lb. bag of fertilizer back home from the cross-town Target Greatland.

**80% of the current Delta V6's torque is suddenly available at 2,700 RPM and noticeable in the small of your back. It continues building rapidly from that point on.

riez · July 2003

ray_h71... Hope you are right and Hyundai does come out with a hotter version. Sonata Sport Pkg version would be nice. Tiburon really needs a lot more power. The 185 hp figure keeps the car in the middle of the pack. I was hoping for an attempt to get closer to the head of the class.

This engine will be coming out in 2004. A lot has happened with engines over the past decade. A modern 2.7L engine (one with CVVT) can and should put out more than 185 hp. We could come up with examples of engines that produce both more or less power. One example might be BMW's 2.5L I6 which puts out 184 hp and 175 lb-ft. Heck, people complain it isn't powerful enough.

I can't wait to see the torque figures for the revised engines. Americans with automatic transmissions want torque. (I drive manuals. I thoroughly enjoy my '00 Sonata GLS 2.5L V6 with 5-speed manual. But she isn't that much of a performer. Runs out of steam too quickly.)

liuyangf · July 2003

I don't unerstand why Hyundai is still among the last 10.

Brand rankings in J.D. Power and Associates 2003 Vehicle Dependability Study
Associated Press

Published July 9, 2003 AUTO09A

How specific brands ranked in J.D. Power and Associates' annual vehicle dependability survey released Tuesday. The study is based on responses from more than 55,000 original owners of 2000 model-year cars and light trucks. The figures represent the number of problems per 100 vehicles.

Brand Problems/100 vehicles
Lexus 163
Infiniti 174
Buick 179
Porsche 193
Acura 196
Toyota 201
Cadillac 209
Lincoln 212
Honda 218
Mercury 240
Jaguar 247
Saab 255
BMW 262
Subaru 266
Nissan 267
GMC 269
Chevrolet 272
Saturn 273
Industry Avg. 273
Oldsmobile 283
Mazda 288
Pontiac 293
Chrysler 295
Ford 295
Plymouth 302
Dodge 312
Audi 318
Mercedes-Benz 318
Jeep 321
Volvo 330
Mitsubishi 339
Hyundai 342
Isuzu 368
Volkswagen 391
Suzuki 403
Daewoo 421
Land Rover 441
Kia 509
Source: J.D. Power and Associates

intrepidspirit · July 2003

As a non-expert, but a purchaser of 2 Hyundais over the past 2 years, I try to put Hyundai's marketing position in perspective. When I bought my daughter's Elantra in 2001, this car had the highest horsepower in its class (140 - later revised to 135). The biggest complaint about this wonderful car was that the EPA gas mileage was not high.

The 2003 Sonata I purchased for my stepson this year has only the 4-cylinder engine, but this is adequate -- the car has so many other features!

Both cars (purchased new with automatic transmissions) were absolute bargains. The 2001 Elantra was $10,988 and the 2003 Sonata was $11,988 (after rebates).

My point is Hyundai is not a leader, but is an extremely good follower that offers excellent value. As they become more accepted (and more is expected of them), I'm sure they will work on improving horsepower and gas mileage and perhaps other refinements. But for now, I think they are intent on improving market share through value. The best way to do that is keeping their prices low and their quality high...

ray_h71 · July 2003

"My point is Hyundai is not a leader, but is an extremely good follower that offers excellent value. As they become more accepted (and more is expected of them), I'm sure they will work on improving horsepower and gas mileage and perhaps other refinements. But for now, I think they are intent on improving market share through value. The best way to do that is keeping their prices low and their quality high..."

BINGO! These ARE high value family cars after all. For those who want to lay down a "protective" coating of rubber on the pavement, then buy a BMW or Mercedes V8 or V12. As for the charge of inadequate performance, there are those who would still make that charge against a $300,000.00 Ferrari, too. (Seems some would only be satisfied with all four main booster engines from a Saturn V 1st stage strapped to their car...) As for me, I have no reservations that my sub-$17,000 Sonata V6 is quite capable of earning me a speeding ticket in every state of the U.S. and every province in Canada if I get carried away with the go-pedal. I remember fondly the satisfied smirk a college buddy had on his face when his '67 VW bug displayed its bumper sticker to Boss 302s: "You've just been passed by 36 hp."

intrepidspirit · July 2003

"You've just been passed by 36 hp."

LOL! Were they really only 36hp? I remember in the 60's I had a lawnmower that sounded like the VW engine...

It is amazing to me how well the modern 4-cyliner engine performs. I drove both the 2001 Elantra and the 2003 Sonata and they both crept up to 85+ mph on the freeway before I noticed and took my foot off the gas. Both cars felt like they could go much faster with very little effort...

ron_m · July 2003

My wife and I rented a 2003 Sonata for 7 days during the week of July 4th this year. We drove it to Emerald Isle, North Carolina--and were way over and beyond impressed with the vehicle! Both of us thought that the fit and finish was superb, along with the creature comforts and styling. I was shocked at how smooth the ride was and how quiet the Sonata's cabin was at highway speeds. In fact, I thought it was just as quiet inside as my 2002 Lexus IS300 that still has less than 2,300 miles on it. The IS300's back seat is just too small for my stepsons to have to tolerate on extended trips--and it's definitely not the ideal family sedan. Of course that's not what I bought it for anyway. :-) We've been using the wife's Ford Escort as a family vehicle. But the Escort is nearing the end of its automotive life, so we're going to have to replace it in the not too distant future.

So, it appears as though my wife's next car will most likely be a Sonata. She and I both like the Sonata better than the Accord or Camry. It just seems as though to me that with such a great warranty and all, the Sonata offers excellent value in its class.

If there are any major, red flags that we should be made aware of regarding the purchase of a 2002 or 2003 Sonata, please advise.

Thanks in advance for any information that you guys can offer me. Positive OR negative comments regarding the Sonata are most welcome!

Ron M.

redzx3 · July 2003

I have to say that i love my sonata gls it has been a GREAT car so far . The drive is the best in it's class.Get one and you will love it .I get ask alot what is that your driving i say it's a sonata and everyone say's it looks like a benz.

twood2 · August 2003

Hi all,
Just looking into buying a new 2003 Sonata GLS V6 and was wondering how the experiences were? Consumer Reports have rated the ride on the highway as NOT that of an Accord, Camry or Maxima. Any truth?

Thanks.
Troy

ray_h71 · August 2003

twood2, redzx3, and ron_m:

Stump Mode: "ON"

"Consumer Reports" - now there's a classic example of subjective reporting masquerading as objective analysis!

Stump Mode: "OFF"

My own, admittedly subjective, experience with my '03 Sonata and driving a friend's '03 Accord is that the Sonata doesn't handle quite as well, but rides at least as well. The body structure is tight, and stiff, though not quite as much so as the latest Accords. My Sonata is very rattle and creak-free so far. The Sonata handling is secure, but won't slalom with the best. It seems to have a bit more understeer dialed in than competing Japanese makes. I have no driving experience with recent Camrys, but the one I rode in rides softer. It also tended to "float" more coming off road crests, too, than my Sonata. I have no experience at all with Maximas. The Sonata comes equipped with Michelin tires and mine were quite noisy initially. However, at 7,100+ miles, they've definitely toned down considerably. They also no longer insist on tracking the rain grooves as they did when new. I'm getting 26+ mpg in town with my V-6. I see 31 mpg on highway driving at 75 mph. As you should be able to surmise, I mostly drive conservatively, but with the flow. These engines are definitely more economical than Hyundai's brochures state if driven reasonably. At 170 hp., I'd call the power of the V-6 "adequate". The Hyundai "Delta" small V-6 engine series is smooth and generally quiet, but has a pleasant growl when pushed; but, is NOT a fireball. Published benchmark 0-60 mph figures from "Consumers Digest" peg Sonata V-6s at about 8.7 seconds. When I have played, the acceleration initially will just chirp the tires, but there's definitely a noticeable "rush" in my lower back when the engine enters its torque curve at about 25 mph. The Delta V-6 is all-aluminum with cast iron cylinder liners. The I-4 uses a conventional cast iron block. Ironically, because of their all-aluminum design, the V-6 models are 5 lbs LIGHTER than the I-4 models when both are equipped with the automatic transaxle. The V-6 engine is HIGHLY recommended as far as I'm concerned, particularly in areas in which A/C will be used frequently. I have no doubts that the I-4 is a good motor, too. I may be wrong, but I think the I-4 models come with rear drum brakes. With the '03 model year, the V-6s get standard rear disc brakes.

The front end is STRONGLY remeniscent of the Mercedes C-Class models. The rear and side profile share a more than passing resemblance to the Jaguar S-Type sedans. I parked mine next to an S-Type at a restaurant. As luck would have it, when I came out, the Jag's owner was approaching from the rear. He commented that our cars were beautiful examples of elegant and refined automotive styling. I agreed, adding that in copying the Sonata, Jaguar had chosen an excellent example to emulate. I don't think he was amused when he realized I didn't own a Jag. (Yeah, I know - I'm bad...)

Stick with an '03 or newer. Some '02s had issues with OEM throttle position sensors and camshaft position sensors. I believe if either fails, you can still drive in "limp home" mode at 40 mph or less. They'd be replaced under warranty for 10 years/100,000 miles, but the late '02s and '03s have the newer, reliable design already installed from the factory.

Finally, anyone contemplating purchasing a Sonata should be aware that Korean cars are still notorious for not retaining resale or trade-in value. That dictum may be changing, but if you trade every two or three years, you'll probably take a beating. The 10 yr./100,000 mile powertrain warranty is NOT transferable to the next owner (unless he/she is a direct family member - i.e., child or spouse). The only way I'm aware of to obtain full value out of any Hyundai is to DRIVE it out of the car over the duration of the powertrain warranty. Given common sense driving and timely maintenance, that really shouldn't be difficult.

riez · August 2003

twood2... Why not just test drive the cars yourself on the roads you drive? That is really the only way you'll know for sure.

As for ride issues, I'd concur with ray_h71. Car is reasonably quiet and stable. She won't win any aggressively handling awards. And she is tuned to American highway tastes (i.e., she is more inclined to wallow).

My '00 Sonata GLS V6 5-speed manual with Pkg 13, which I use mainly for highway work trips and short stops around town, now has about 46,500 miles. Pretty troublefree. One headlight burned out. The brake rotors have had some warping issues--an affliction that seems to becoming more and more common across nearly all marques. (Some say it is tied to the non-asbestos brake pads.) Everything replaced under warranty. Minimal maintenance costs. Biggest expense was a new set of tires after 40,000+ miles on the original Michelins. Gets me about 28 mpg on the highway. (The automatics are geared more conservatively, with a deeper overdrive final gear.) Engine is peppy with the 5-speed manual, but she could use more torque down low and more HP up top. I have pushed her to a bit over 120 mph once.

So far, I'm quite pleased. Great car for the money. I plan on keeping her for at least another 4 years and 50K miles. I won't worry about resale value after say 7 or 8 years and 100K miles.

ray_h71 · August 2003

"...The brake rotors have had some warping issues--an affliction that seems to becoming more and more common across nearly all marques. (Some say it is tied to the non-asbestos brake pads.)..."

Glad you brought that up, riez. Hyundai Sonatas use brake rotors ~10.3" in diameter. Everyone else's similar size and weight sedans are using rotors in the 11" range, or larger, with pads correspondingly larger, too. Makes for both a better grip and more efficient heat dissipation. Sonatas seem to be marginally equipped in the braking department compared to their competition for North American driving conditions and technique. They'll stop quietly, straight, smoothly, and in a competitively short distance when new, but they will also wear pads and warp rotors more quickly. In my highly subjective opinion, brakes are an area Hyundai could address on these cars. I honestly don't have a clue whether non-asbestos pads are an issue, but if so, that would be another reason to upgrade the size a bit. I'd willingly sacrifice 10 hp. of engine power any day for safer brakes. You CAN have more power than you'll ever need, but you can NEVER have too much braking reserve. (When you press the go-pedal, and nothing's there, it's an annoying experience. When you press the brake pedal and nothing's there, it's an instant religious conversion experience for even hard core athiests.)

autosaurus · August 2003

I own a 200 Civic EX coup that I use to commute to work every day.. Has about 57,000 miles on it and has been pretty trouble free. Not too powerful but rides nice and handles ok..
I'm looking to trade it in and want another trouble free car that does all the basics good and looks great. I love the looks of the Sonata, but wanted to go larger to the XG. I do drive a bit agressively.. I havent read very favorable things about either the Sonata or XG (seems to be worse)in road tests but cant always beleive everything you read. Any thoughts on a loaded Sonota vs an XG350L re ride, handling and performance. Thre Civic is out but am considering an Accord if these dont pan out.

Thanks,

ray_h71 · August 2003

"...I do drive a bit agressively..."

autosaurus, that says it all. Things Hyundais do well:
1> loads of standard equipment
2> good looks
3> reasonably good reliability
4> pleasant and quiet ride

Things that Hyundais don't do well:
1> aggressive driving
2> power output per liter of displacement
3> easy availability of OEM or aftermarket engine and chassis tuning parts

Go for the Accord - you'll be happier. (but wait for the 2004s.) If you haven't yet driven a Sonata or XG-350, do so. I don't think you'll like the relatively sloppy control after your Civic. The XG-350 is the worse offender - 1970s Buick Invicta-ish, with worn bushings and shocks. Hyundai seems to have dialed in the ride/handling characteristics most desired by American tender-butts like me.

lngtonge18 · August 2003

ray_h71 and those that have encountered warped front rotors on the Sonata may be interested to know Hyundai finally seems to be taking brakes seriously. The 04 XG350's front rotors have increased in size dramatically to 12.1" and the calipers have twin pistons. If your Sonata has 16" wheels, you could easily upgrade to these much more substantial brakes. And let me tell you, these brakes look huge! I'm planning on adding these sometime to my 03 Tiburon. When I do, I'll let you know how much of a difference they make.

wpbharry · August 2003

(disclaimer: I'm one of those "lurkers" and don't currently own a Hyundai, but my redemption follows)

Own a '98 Chevy Malibu LS and will need a new car in 6-9 months. The Sonata is 3rd on my list, behind the new-for-'04 Malibu and '04 Accord. The Sonata had been a notch higher on the list, until I found out that the '06 Sonata (which goes on sale around 3/05) will be all-new. HOWEVER, it will be the first vehicle produced in Hyundai's new Alabama plant, and I'm not willing to be the guinea pig. Also nearly nixes the '04, since the new one will be right around the corner.

Ray's comments are right on target, though a bit nasty to Hyundai. A good friend (a neighbor in his 80s) asks me 4-5 times a year to drive him 150 miles (each way) to see a friend. He insists we take his car. He'd had a '98 Town Car (talk about floaty memories of my Mom's 70-something Chrysler wagon), which he then traded for an '01 XG300. The car certainly doesn't handle as badly as the Town Car. The problem with the XG is weight. It's way too heavy for its size. (Have never driven a Sonata, so don't know how that handles). And talk about Hyundai brakes. Bad news. As a matter of fact, 6 months ago, my friend managed to rear-end another car (at 45 mph, no less) in the XG, which totalled it. Amazingly, no one was hurt badly (but his airbags didn't deploy). He now drives an '03 Elantra, despite my reservations, and I won't go near it. Heaven help him if he rear-ends someone with that.

riez · August 2003

wpbharry... You wrote, "my friend managed to rear-end another car (at 45 mph, no less) in the XG, which totalled it."

In my state, the law normally presumes you are at fault if you rear end another car: You were (1) going too fast for road conditions, (2) not paying attention to the road or traffic, or (3) travelling too close. You almost automatically get ticketed. 45 mph is a decent road speed. Not sure you can expect the car's brakes to save you from yourself if (1), (2), or (3) are the real cause of the accident, and they almost always are in rear end collisions. Driver skill and knowing your car's limitations are critical.

wpbharry · August 2003

riez, you are correct. He did get ticketed, and his insurance went through the roof (he also totalled the older Taurus wagon that he hit), and think that's why he opted for an Elantra (don't know for sure). Since I wasn't with him, I really think that the impact speed was more like 25mph. Since the XG had depreciated so quickly, that's why it was totalled, I think (also didn't see the car post-accident). I'm not blaming the brakes for his accident, rather his lack of driving ability. My comments on the brakes are from my experiences in driving it. I never felt very confident.

redzx3 · August 2003

I have had fords for the past 2 years i get a new car every year but i now have a Sonata GLS V6 and i love it . I will keep this car for more than a year i do know that . This Sonata drive's like a Jag and look's alot like the Jag S TYPE i get looks in this car all the time and i have been ask alot what is that your driveing and i say it's a baby Jag then i tell them its a Hyundai and they say to me NO WAY and i say yes it is then everyone has to look inside no one think's it's a Hyundai. All i can say about the Hyundai are great things and after you drive one and buy one you will be in love with it the V6 is great and has alot of get up and go to it i was on I4 in Tampa FL this weekend and i happen to look at the speed i was going and i was up to 105 MPH and did not even know it so i had to slow my Sonata down it's so hard to keep it below 90 MPH the car just fly's down the highway and rides great .Keep up the good work Hyundai i will be back to buy a new 2005 .Still love my 2003 Sonata GLS V6 it's Black with dark tent on the window's and it has a Jag tag on the front .Buy one you will love it .

ray_h71 · August 2003

I know people who wear fake Rolexes, too. Don't get me wrong, people. I think Sonatas are lotsa car for the bucks. But, I'm a realist and no amount of speed-graphics decals, polyurathane body cladding, and fart pipes will change the basic nature of the handling the Hyudnai engineers dialed into the Sonata. A Sonata is thrifty to buy, thrifty to operate, and a well-appointed family hauler. Period. The poster I responded to wanted an honest evaluation coming from a car known for its handling prowess out of the box. I saw no reason to sugar-coat what I feel are Hyundai's weak points. I also advised him to drive one for himself, since hands-on is the only way to judge. (Shoot, he might even like it and end up buying one...) If my anecdotal comments based on personal experience make me "a bit nasty to Hyundai", then...

redzx3 · August 2003

Look's like a Jag and i'm told that all the time .If you don't like the Sonata then go buy a toy or a honda but you get a better looking car in the Sonata and it drive's just as nice with the V6.

jimbeaumi · August 2003

Earlier you state: "Talk about Hyundai brakes. Bad news." Perhaps that should read, "talk about XG300 brakes", because my Elantra's brakes have been one of its best features in over 33K miles. I'd call that good news.

wpbharry · August 2003

Jim, can't speak for the Elantra since I haven't driven it (and don't plan to, but I may have to...). The XG is so overweight, that that might be the cause of my feeling that it was underbraked. I've heard the same from Sonata-intenders too, and someone at work recently rear-ended (what is going on?) somebody with her Kia Sedona minivan because the brakes wouldn't let her stop in (she claims) "plenty of time". The Sedona is a tank also. The Elantra and Accent are lightweights, so maybe that's it.

My sister began her driving career in a brand-new '87 Excel GLS, which caused her to rear-end 3 people over the life of that car (5 years). Don't start with the "Hyundai's completely different now" stuff. Hyundai (and now Kia) has weak brakes, period. After seeing "The Amazing Race 4" on TV this summer, which made a stop in Korea, I can see why. Traffic over there never moves at more than 25 mph. So, I can see why the brakes aren't great (who needs 'em?) and the handling is a bit sloppy.

Let's hope things improve with the opening of Hyundai's first US factory next year (and testing facility), but then quality might tank for a year or (more likely) 2 or 3.

I'll probably end up with a Hyundai at some point in the future, but not this time around, I don't think. I DO think that Hyundai knocked one out of the park with the styling of the current Sonata; makes me wonder what's coming for an encore.

jimbeaumi · August 2003

The XG350's brakes have been enlarged for 2004. And by the way, Hyundai IS completely different now, otherwise I would not have given them my money.

intrepidspirit · August 2003

I have purchased both a 2001 Elantra and a 2003 Sonata for family members and I don't recall the brakes being an issue. Maybe not outstanding, but certainly more than adequate...

As any cop will tell you, anyone who has a rear-end collision is following too close. To have 3 in 5 years is truly remarkable...

redzx3 · August 2003

I have a 2003 Sonata GLS V6 and my brakes are GREAT. I would have to say being a ER Nurse that if you hit someone 5 time's in one year that you need to go to driveing school so that will not happen a 6th time .Hyundai is not the same car that it use to be Hyundai is so much better then it was in the 80's and 90's !I have always had toyota's and i get a new car every 2 years so i have had alot of new ford's and toyota's over the years and now i'm driveing a Hyundai and i'm a Nurse at that so that say's alot for Hyundai for me to buy one .Keep up the good work Hyundai your doing a great job ..

wpbharry · August 2003

And you cruise at 90 mph? Hope you're not in your Sonata when I need you. Might have to slam on the brakes!

Funny, guys, but really, the brakes are the pits.

Jim, but you don't have an XG350.

Not knocking Hyundai (it's the next Honda, for sure), but a bit too early for me to spend my hard-earned bucks. Convince me otherwise. Ray, join in.

wpbharry · August 2003

my sister switched to Saturns after the fiasco with the Hyundai. She's in the market for a new car within the next year too, and HATES the new ION. She can afford a Lexus, but chooses (as do we all) to spend her money in other more important places.

She gives me that "evil eye" whenever I discuss a Sonata. "Just like Mom's last Taurus wagon", she says (a mess). "Anyone who'd buy a Hyundai, must have had Fords in their past".

I'm a bit more forgiving.

Think we'll both be headed over to GM once again.

riez · August 2003

Brake issue is more tied to longevity than it is to single time use performance. Though if you pull out the published test reports on Sonatas, you'll find that their braking distances are longer than average. Braking distances without ABS for Hyundais have been terrible. (My Sonata GLS V6 5-speed manual with Pkg 13 has ABS/TC. She is an early build MY2000, built in summer of 1999.)

Real issue is how the brakes hold up over time. Brake rotor warping developed in mine after about 18,000 miles (noticed the slight shuddering). Very pronounced up front by 24,000 miles. Had two front rotors replaced under warranty. They turned the rear rotors, but turning only delays further problems. Rear brakes went at about 38,000. Now at 46,000 miles the fronts are warped. I'm going to have to get them replaced, again.

Warping has become a much more common problem across a lot of marques and models. In the ever-expanding search for lighter, safer cars, manufacturers have tended to use lighter, less durable components to reduce unsprung mass. And they cannot use superior asbestos-lined brake pads. All adds up to heat eventually warping the rotors and pads wearing out faster.

Key to stopping rotor warping is to use a larger diameter AND thicker brake. Warping most pronounced in thinner rotors. Just making the diameter larger won't solve the problem if the rotors are too thin to begin with. But thickness adds unsprung mass to car.

No wonder better aftermarket brake systems by Brembo and others are all the rage. They are meeting a real need for superior heat dissipation.

wpbharry · August 2003

Very intelligent post. Thanks for the input. Please give us more, as the situation calls for it.

Personally, I also think that aluminum wheel design is a culprit. Lots of open spaces for the H2O when you go through a car wash.

Have those on my '98 Malibu, and have never had a warping issue. Drums in the rear, by the way. Next car, whatever it may be, will be all-discs.

Harry

sharathsimha · August 2003

Hi, this is my first post.

I'm being offered a deal for $9,995 on a 2002 Sonata V6 (not GLS) with about 13,000 miles on it by a dealer. It has no sun/mooon, ABS or TC. Carfax gave it a clean bill of health.

Do you all consider this offer worthwhile? How much would the car depreciate by end of 2005?

Also, is it more prudent to wait till Jan '04 for a used car?

Thanks in advance,
Sharath

jimbeaumi · August 2003

But Harry, you did not specify XG350.

wpbharry · August 2003

You're right. Valid point.

Have a great Labor Day weekend. Not car shopping; we're entertaining.

pat · August 2003

Who can assist Sharath sharathsimha Aug 28, 2003 7:33pm?

charlie616 · August 2003

I just bought the Sonata GLS-V6 with ABS option.
I've been driving 93 audi 90, and drove other cars before.... but the brake seems to work great.

Anyway... my question is... does anyone know of any web site where I could find the information on the performance specs on Sonatas?
Like braking distance, 0-60mph.. and other stuffs.
I remember seeing some of those specs on some magazines.. but I can't seem to find it. If anyone knows it, please let me know.

riez · September 2003

charlie616... There are tons of sources out there.

Annual Auto Guides:

- AAA Auto Guide (USA)
- Daniel Heraud's Road Report (Canadian)
- Jacques Duval's Auto Guide (Canadian)

Edmunds published some comparison test results (e.g., '99 "Bread-n-butter Sedan Comparison").

Some magazine results:

Car & Driver, 2/03: Comparison test with Hyundai Sonata GLS 2.7L V6 automatic and Kia Optima LX 2.4L I4. 10-car test. [NOTE: Sonata had 2nd worst braking distance. Optima had 3rd worst braking distance. But neither car had ABS.]

Car & Driver, 9/01: Road Test of Kia Optima SE 2.5L V6 automatic with ABS. [NOTE: This car braked WORSE than the non-ABS car in the 2/03 test.]

Consmer Reports, 6/01: Comparison test with Hyundai Sonata GLS 2.5L V6 automatic with ABS.

Car & Driver, 9/99: 8-car comparison test with Sonata GLS 2.5L V6 automatic (no ABS).

Motor Trend, 5/99: First test of Sonata GLS 2.5L V6 automatic with ABS.

Car & Driver, 4/99: Full road test report on Sonata GLS 2.5L V6 automatic (no ABS).

Automobile, 4/99: Initial preview (no test data).

Car & Driver, 99: Initial preview (no test data).

Some foreign tests:

Australian NRMA (nrma.com.au) published test results of 2.0L I4 automatic and 2.5L V6 manual. No ABS.

British Top Gear magazine, 2/99: Comparision test of Sonata 2.5L V6 automatic with ABS.

riez · September 2003

Car & Driver, 2/02: Sonata GLS 2.7L V6 automatic.

charlie616 · September 2003

I've driven Sonata GLS-V6 for few days now
and I like the car most of the time.
One thing that bothers a bit is the suspenstion
and the tire.
I've noticed that reviews on the tires they used
(Honda and Acura used them, too) Michelin Energy
Plus wasn't good.
It was a rainy day in the East Coast today, and
I've noticed that the when I'm cornering, the
tire doesn't grip the road well.
I'm also feeling that the suspension itself is
soft, too.
If there's anyone who changed the cartridge or
upgraded their suspension system, can you let me
know where you can find them?
Also, if someone could comment on the tires it
would be nice, too.

riez · September 2003

charlie616... Sonata is known for its soft suspension, almost to the point of wallowing. She wasn't designed for aggressive handling. The soft suspension set up and non-aggressive tires have been discussed by most reviewers in the press. More aggressive rubber can help handling but might add tire noise.

Hyundai Sonata 2005 and earlier

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