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Kia Forte vs Toyota Corolla vs Hyundai Elantra vs Mazda3

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  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    msrp for my kia forte EX with auto was $17,490.00 down here in ft.laud,fla....
    made a offer of 16,999.00 and it was accepted.i recieved another 1000 off because they had a promotion going on at the time that says if you own a car that is in the forte's class you will recieve an additional $1000.00 of the price of the car..the car i traded in was on the list..(mitsubishi lancer)..other cars that were on the list included the corolla,civic,and mazda 3..all in the compact class.so i really lucked out.by the way,i have the dark cherry metalic color and i get compliments on the car every where i go...
  • Well steven39, I am now just like you: a Kia Forte owner. I love the car! It's a great car.

    There are a few things that will probably annoy me about the car: 1. There's no keyhole for the trunk. 2. The door unlocks automatically when the car is placed in park.
  • mnfmnf Posts: 404
    Depends what the trade in value was yrading in opens the door for all kinds of $$ games.

    MNF
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    congrats on your kia forte purchase.iam sure you will enjoy the car..which model did you get??i have the EX.you don't need a key hole on the trunk because of the remote trunk opener on the key fob.and i actually like the auto unlocking doors..comes in handy when i want to access the rear seat to take out packages or to put packages in after i have stopped the car..enjoy the car!!!!!!!!
  • I also have the EX trim level Sedan that is Dark cherry metallic. I'm not copying you or anything, but the Dark Cherry was the prettiest one in the lot.

    I will enjoy my new car. Thanks!
  • jimpimmsjimpimms Pittsfield MAPosts: 81
    I had wondered about the 4-door unlocking myself. I asked the salesman about it, and he thought that it was programmable: no unlocking, driver's door only, or all doors. It's probably mentioned in the manual.
  • jimpimmsjimpimms Pittsfield MAPosts: 81
    Two weeks ago I road tested a Suzuki SX4 Sportback with CVT, and a Honda Civic LX with AT. The Suzuki was too cramped and way too slow. The Honda's two-tiered instrument panel, with the digital speedometer, was a turnoff, and the windshield was so far away, I'd need binoculars to read my GPS. In addition, heated outside mirrors aren't available with either car (for me, a deal breaker). I'd already rejected the Mazda3 (too damn ugly), the Corolla (too damn boring), and the Elantra (too jellybean looking).

    Last week I road tested two Forte EXs, with 4-spd. and 5-spd. autos. I found the 5-spd. to be much more to my liking, so today I went to Kia of West Springfield (MA), chequebook in hand, to place a deposit on a Forte EX sedan with the Economy Pkge. But deciding to leave no stone unturned, before I placed the order, I asked to drive a 5-spd. manual. I test drove an LX (same engines and trannies as the EX). As impressed as I'd been with the 5-spd. auto's smoothness and acceleration, the manual was even better. Mastering the awkward clutch took a few miles, but it wasn't long before I was heeling-and-toeing and double-clutching it on downshifts. What a blast! The 2.0L. engine has an amazing amount of pep, the car handles extremely well in spite of the torsion-beam rear suspension (and the
    195/65R15s on the LX), and winding it out in 2nd and 3rd is exhilarating. After owning a 2006 Sonata LX V6 for the last four years, I'd almost forgotten how much fun it is to be involved in driving again.

    So, upon returning to the dealership, I ordered a Dark Cherry EX with the coffee--it's more like chocolate--interior, 5-spd. manual, Premium Package (sunroof and 205/55R16 tires on alloy wheels), and auto-dimming mirror with compass. Unfortunately, owning a Hyundai means I'm in limbo: I qualify for neither the $1,000 Competitive Bonus nor the $1,000 Owner Loyalty Offer; but since I did qualify for the 0%/36-month financing, I also got an additional $500 off. Bottom line: total delivered price before taxes, title, reg., and document fees: $16,540. It'll be ready for pickup early next week. I'm psyched. :)
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    jim,i myself purchased a forte EX with auto in the dark cherry metalic color this past august..i also test drove those other cars you mentioned before deciding on the forte.this is really a great bang for the buck car and i get compliments on the dark cherry metalic color every where i go.
  • Congrats.

    I'm jealous. I want an sx, corsica blue w/ a sun roof. I haven't found a car in a long time that I was interested in enough to give up my reliable 01 camry that I've had since new. Maybe I'll keep it and get the forte anyway. The forete is an exciting little car. Keep us informed on what you think of it along the way. That is , if you're not too busy enjoying it..?
  • Im at a stand still in the car buying market. I really like the forte models. i test drove the ex forte koup manual... fell in love! but now im contemplating if i'd like the size of the sedan more. im 23 and hope to have the car for a long time so space may or may not be important (kids?). also, the idea of four doors seems more conveinent since i sell handmade jewlery. still, the trunk is a great feature on both models. i like the exterior of the sedan, but the look of the koup is far more attractive to me, however i question the comfortablity for passengers/cargo. also im not sure if want automatic or manual. ive only ever owned a 2 door manual, so its kind of all ive ever known. any input would be appreciated and helpful to my decision making. thank you! peace.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    Some other things to consider:

    - Sedans tend to be viewed as more practical for the reasons you mentioned while coupes tend to be viewed as sportier
    - Automatics are more comfortable in city driving (less shifting) but are usually less fuel efficient than manual transmissions (this is changng, though)
    - Coupe doors are typically longer which may be an issue when parking (as in banging the door against another car in a parking lot or against a wall in a parking garage)
    - Consider resale value if you think you may be selling the car eventually; my understanding is that automatic sedans are a safe bet for resale as they tend to be the choice that satisfies the majority of car buyers

    But after all the thinking about practicality, ask yourself if you're satisfied with your choice. If not, you have your answer!
  • thank you so much for your input! i wouldve never thought the decision would be so hard...
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    it really comes down to personel preference between the koupe and the sedan..however,i recently was at my kia dealer getting an oil change for my forte EX and noticed a forte koupe sx in the corsa blue color and i couldn't take my eyes off of it thats how nice it looked.the forte koupe is a real eye catcher in any color.
  • any of ya'll that are interested in getting a manual-trannied Forte Koup or Forte sedan, I have read that some people are having a hard time with it's clutch and shifter. I don't know, I haven't tried one out yet, but there is some hunting and pecking problem going on while people are trying to shift through the gears. Combined with some of the regular clutch synchronization problems people normally have with stick shift driving. I'd give one a thorough shifting workout during test driving, for one thing. And do a lot more research on this clutch and shifter trouble apparently going on.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • jimpimmsjimpimms Pittsfield MAPosts: 81
    You've been misinformed. There's absolutely no problem with the gearbox. The automotive press has called it "rubbery", "notchy", "vague", etc., and the shift throw is "too long". B.S. It's fine, especially for a car at this price point. The press too often lose sight of the fact that not every car is expected to comply with Mercedes' and BMW's standards. The clutch coordination, though, does take some getting used to. Even after driving my EX for a week, I still occasionally don't get it right. But like a lot of things in life, "practice makes perfect."
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The press too often lose(s) sight of the fact that not every car is expected to comply with Mercedes' and BMW's standards.

    But when Honda gets it right on their economy cars (they've held an industry standard for manual transmissions in their price range for positive shift feel for years), its fair to hold other economy cars to that standard, in my opinion.

    You feel one way, a lot of people feel another.

    Opinions can differ, but yours isn't any more "right" than those of the press & those who dislike the manual shifter operation in the Forte.
  • Honda makes a good gearbox, but where all Asian cars fall down is the clutch design. Generally, all the Asian manufacturers use a cable-actuated clutch, whereas most European cars use a hydraulically-actuated clutch. Once you drive a car with a hydraulically-actuated clutch, the cable-actuated design simply doesn't measure up to the smooth operation of the hydraulically-actuated clutch. The comparison is night and day.
  • do the Asian manufacturers get this point? Are they going to switch over? I may one day buy another manual-trannied car but don't really want a European car unless it's an Audi. And they're kinda cost-prohibitive, ya know what I mean? I would love it if Hyundai and Kia switched over to the hydraulically-actuated clutch.

    Thanks for pointing that fact out, BTW.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • jimpimmsjimpimms Pittsfield MAPosts: 81
    "You feel one way, a lot of people feel another." I think it's more a case of "some people feel another."

    It's not a matter of whether I'm "right". I'm merely expressing my opinion, and you can take what you wish from it, but it's one thing to document one's own experience after actually driving the car, and another to spread unfounded rumors, so my comments regarding the Forte's manual gearbox were primarily to squelch unsubstantiated hearsay. Also bear in mind that not all the press reviews are negative; the ones that are appear mostly in some of the enthusiast magazines, ergo my statement regarding their expectations. And nowhere in any review was there an allegation that "there is some hunting and pecking problem going on while people are trying to shift through the gears."

    Never having had the pleasure of driving a Honda Civic with a manual transmission, I can't comment on its quality or sophistication; but after driving manuals from Hyundai--and now Kia--for 7 of the past 11 years, and various Mazdas, Toyotas, and VWs over the preceding 35 years, I haven't had problems with any of them--except for a '79 Subaru, an absolutely abysmal PoS.

    That the Honda Civic's manual gearbox achieves a class-leading level of performance is laudable, as is the fact that Honda offers an available 5-speed automatic on all Civic trim levels, something Kia should have done. But the Civic is deficient in other areas, such as braking, power and torque, not to mention specific safety and convenience features available only on the highest trim levels. For example, Electronic Stability Control (Vehicle Stability Assist in Honda-ese) with Traction Control, standard on all Forte trim levels, is available only on the EX-L; Bluetooth and satellite radio, standard on all Forte trims, is available only on the EX or EX-L with Navigation; and you can't even get something as simple as heated outside mirrors on a Civic unless you order the EX-L.

    I am more than impressed with the Civic's ride quality, but I despise the dual-level dash and the enormous distance to the windshield. Besides, the Forte has a far richer list of desirable standard features for thousands less. So which is the better car, or more precisely, the better choice? It all boils down to personal preferences and priorities, and ultimately, where one's willing to compromise.
  • I would love it if Hyundai and Kia switched over to the hydraulically-actuated clutch.

    I looked through the shop manual listings on www.hmaservice.com and looked through the clutch specs on the current Hyundai models. They all show that the clutch is hydraulic-actuated, not a cable to be found. ;)
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Generally, all the Asian manufacturers use a cable-actuated clutch, whereas most European cars use a hydraulically-actuated clutch. Once you drive a car with a hydraulically-actuated clutch, the cable-actuated design simply doesn't measure up to the smooth operation of the hydraulically-actuated clutch. The comparison is night and day.

    Um....my Mazda6 has a hydraulic clutch, as are all Mazda mtx's as far as I know...
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    according to KGIS for the Forte it states: Clutch operation method - hydraulic type (its the same whether is a 2.0L or 2.4L engine
  • if anyone needs a summing up of this-drive them all for yourself and make your own mind up on your favorite's clutch operation. I know for sure that of any of the cars I'm interested in, the 2003+ Hyundai Tiburon's have documented big-time troubles with their clutches staying together. I am not interested in the Tiburon any more, but it's not because of the clutch trouble.

    And Hyundai continues to deny Long-Haul Warranty claims and to say words to the effect of "you're not driving the car's right. You don't know how to work a clutch/manual gearshift operation, and, that's why your Tibby's broken down." That is very disconcerting and is really one of the very few knocks I've ever had with HyunKia.

    As for the Civic, Forte, Maz3, etc. I would really test-drive them all silly before I bought. And I have a strong feeling that a manual-trannied Forte sedan would work out just fine with me. I've driven many a stick through the years and I'll bet it's just a matter of getting used to the clutch/stick operation on them.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,737
    Sat in a dark red one of these today at the local BJ's and I was very impressed. Comfortable sport seats, nice thick steering wheel & nice interior fit & finish really caught my eye. Very impressed indeed but since I just turned over to 25k on the way to work this morning, no new car for me for a long while.

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • yep, I have found my favorite rig ever in my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. After owning the car, taking great care of it and driving it like a Grandpa for 2 3/4 years I love the car even more.

    Refresh me as to what car you are currently driving that just hit 25,000 miles, man.

    Our Lancer GTS has about 47,000 miles on it.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Comfortable sport seats, nice thick steering wheel & nice interior fit & finish really caught my eye

    I was a Lancer fan until I got inside it and actually started touching things. Turning the fan knob, etc - the car felt cheaper than the $20k+ sticker it carried. It was really a letdown after looking at it favorably before.

    Then again, I may just be spoiled by my '06 Accord's interior. :)
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    hi folks,i purchased a kia forte EX over this past summer in august and thought i would give a 6 month update about how i feel about this car.first off,i never thought in a million years that i would purchase a kia product but i did.i test drove other cars in this class such as mazda 3,corolla,elantra,and civic just to name a few and the forte won out over these cars.the mazda 3 and civic sedan had way to much road noise for my likeing while on the otherhand the forte was very quiet with little wind or road noise.the other cars could not touch the forte's standard features.the forte's price to standard features ratio is unsurpassed in this segment and the long warranty was iceing on the cake for me.usually new model cars take a few years to work out the kinks but kia got this car right, right from the start.the dealership that i purchased my forte from keeps a 2010 toyota corolla s model on the lot so people can compare the forte with the corolla.salesmen told me that about 90 % of the people who test drove the forte then drove the corolla said they prefer the forte over the corolla i agree.forte smokes the corolla...
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    purchased a kia forte EX ... in august and thought i would give a 6 month update
    How is the fuel economy? What are you averaging?

    salesmen told me that about 90 % of the people who test drove the forte then drove the corolla said they prefer the forte over the corolla
    Well, if a Kia salesman said it, it must be true! ;)
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    my fuel economy isn't as good as i had hoped for although i only have 5000 miles on the car and it's still breaking in.hopefully,the fuel economy will improve as i put more miles on the car...however it is i would say below 30 mpg all around and probably closer to about 25 which is what the mpg city estimates say on the window sticker.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,737
    Just hit 25k on Monday with 3.5 years of ownership. Obviously, I don't drive much and since my accident. I only drive to & from work. The wife's '05 M3 is close to 70k but she drives much more than I do. Just had both cars detailed at home and they look sweet and both are running well. I'll be happy to get her car up to 85k before the new search begins.
    On another note, just picked up daughter #2's Hyundai Accent from their body shop...roommate sideswiped her car...and am still very impressed with it. Pretty powerful for the 1.6 engine and great brakes. Nice little 1st car for the $ and she's pleased.

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

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