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2014 Subaru Forester

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,455
    Brand new model. If you get it at or even a little under invoice, I'd say that's a pretty good deal. What's the MSRP on that car?
  • tkay2tkay2 Posts: 42
    For comparison.... my msrp $ 30820.00 w/nav -1500 =29320.00 included is 2 yr free maintenance... this does not inc. options tx etc...
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,455
    edited February 2013
    Looking just at the MSRP, invoice will be approximately 94% of that ($28,970). So, basically you paid about $350 for the maintenance agreement when comparing against invoice. I'd say you did fine as long as you use the agreement to its potential.
  • tklientklien Posts: 20
    Thanks for your input. Also when you get the 2 yr. maintenance pk. (free or other wise) inside the packet is a 500.00 coupon for a future purchase. I have one from a prior purchase and additional subie bucks.( pretty good marketing on their part) at least this is in Mi. Now waiting for the build.
  • This is my quote on a Forester Premium CVT with the following options. I live in Virginia...I was told this was under invoice...

    2014 Subaru Forester Premium CVT
    Your color Choice
    All Weather Package
    Auto Dimming Mirror with Compass and Homelink and Approach Lighting
    Rear Cargo Tray

    MSRP $26,889
    Discount Price $ 24,845
    Processing Fee: 299
    VA 3% Tax: 754.32
    DMV Title: 10.00
    DMV Filing: 10.00
    DMV Tags: 40.75

    Out the Door Price: 25,959
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Seems good for the first one on the block. Did that dealer have them in stock already?
  • Not this dealer... But a dealer in Richmond , Va got 14 yesterday....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Fitz is listing 4 in stock on their web site, so they are trickling in now. They have 2 dealers, and each store has 2 (all auto Premium models).
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    edited March 2013
    One yesterday and one today (my daughter is in the market, and it's on her short list).

    Very similar to our '13 Forester in terms of trim and content.

    Good:
    • Seemed a bit more nimble and more fun to drive than our car.
    • Steering definitely is better.
    • More interior room for rear passengers.
    • Driver's door armrest better located (higher).
    • Seat heater switches much better located.
    • Center stack selectable graphic (outside temp, mpg, etc.) interesting, although I don't fully understand all the choices and what they convey.
    • Seemed quieter and more refined than our car.
    • CVT much better than old 4EAT.
    • Good outward visibility.

    Bad
    • CVT needs paddle shifters (paddle shifters come on turbo models only).
    • Cruise control indicator way too hard to find and see. This really needs to be changed!
    • Don't like the bar-graph fuel gauge.
    • Not wild about the instrument cluster. The one in our '13 Forester is better (large center speedo, large easy to read fuel gauge).
    • No green indicator light for headlights when on.
    • Door grab bar interferes with power window switches access.
    • Reduced tow rating (1500 vs 2400).
    • Angle of approach slightly worse than outgoing model
    • '13 model has better exterior styling. Too many fussy styling gimmicks on new model that just don't work.

    Bob
  • tklientklien Posts: 20
    Have gotten a better price...31677. OTD...option are compass mirror, rear bumper cover, wheel lock, luggage cover, cargo net. This includes 6% sales tx. 2014 Forester Touring
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Did you buy it?
  • tklientklien Posts: 20
    Yes Sir X-Man .... they said 3 weeks...Hopefully this weather in Mi. will get better....this date last year it was 82...go figure...Don't know if I could have done much better price wise..!!!!
  • smokey100smokey100 Posts: 26
    I just test drove the new 2014 Forester. The ride was great, the handling was good, but the rear view camera is useless. It's on the small information screen instead of the larger radio/navigation display. It's too small and too far away. The infotainment system is a mess too. With so many other good choices in the segment, it's a shame that they didn't get this right. It wouldn't have cost much more.
  • tklientklien Posts: 20
    Smokey, can you elaborate on the info system...
  • smokey100smokey100 Posts: 26
    tklien,

    First let me say I was talking about the radio in the Touring edition.

    I went back to check out the Forester today and I asked the salesman for a demo of the radio. We tried to dial in a specific station that I listen to but he couldn't. It's just too complicated. We tried the buttons on the steering wheel as well. It's a failure on several levels, it's dangerous to use while driving, the graphics design of the on screen interface is terrible, and it's completely contrary to what the Subaru brand stands for. I gave the back up camera a second chance. Not only is it small but it's far from the driver which makes it effectively even smaller.

    After checking out the Forester more closely and doing another test drive, I test drove the new Rav4. IMHO (maybe not so H) the Rav4 has nicer lines but the Forester drives much better. Even thought the hp is similar the Forester feels peppier and more planted. The radio in the Rav4 is much easier to use. It has big buttons along the side. For me the dash design is a toss up, the Rav4 is more designed, maybe over designed but the Forester is still boring. The faux leather on the dash in the Rav4 is too thin and cheap....and gimmicky.

    I want the features of the Touring edition Forester but the radio and back up camera are so bad they might actually be a deal breaker.
  • laszlo9laszlo9 Posts: 36
    edited March 2013
    I just bought the 2014 Forester XT Touring. Have about 500 Km on it. Before this I had a 2007 WRX 5 speed and before that an Outback sport. So to say I know why I bought Subaru again. There are few cars can beat the surefooted all wheel drive of a subie. Driving standard most of my life it was a big decision to go over to automatic but my wife had a hip replacement and the WRX was very low to get into.
    Coming from Europe my driving pattern is far off of the North American norm. Love driving in snow storms and ice.
    So my pros and cons after a week of driving.
    There is a suggested break in period of a 1000 Ml or 1600 Km. During that time one should NOT use the paddle shifters or cruise control and the X drive. I guess for the CVT to have a proper workout.
    Concerning the radio. It is just a simple setup: turn the dial (right knob on the radio) to the station you want, press and hold any of the numbered buttons untill it beeps. You can set up your favorite's one after the other. That is it. From then on you can shift station and change volume on the steering wheel. It is simple. DONT BOTHER with menues.
    First what I like:
    The engine is sweet. It is the new WRX machine. Quick with lots of torque. (I'm still being a good boy and running it according suggested pattern like, NO over 4000 RPM yet).
    Runs at a bit over 2000RPM at about 75 Ml/ Hr.
    The whole car is super quiet, there is no vibration at all (the engine supports are liquid)
    Lots of room front and back. I'm 6.2 and have a lot more space than I would need.
    Easy to get in and out because the doors open wider. The moon roof is great.
    I had no chance to hear the double exhaust at this point.
    Most likely it could use better tires but tracks well and cornering is typical to Subaru's surefooted way. It is not like the WRX being a taller box, but the low center of gravity make things work.
    I like the backup camera even though I wear glasses. Better than nothing.
    Now what I DONT like.
    No Coolant Temperature Gauge just an Idiot Light. No fuel Gauge but a digital bar readout.
    The upper display is like a bloody text message center that I found it totaly useless. The major focus is the fuel economy on it and it is approached from different angles. For most you need engineering degree to figure out. Some could be usefull for the mechanics for servicing etc. I disabled most of it but a few it would not let me. I will see if I can get those later.
    I would like to have: coolant, transmission, turbo temperature, turbo boost, fuel gauge, electrical values etc. on that. If you are a fuel economy minded person get a Prius and not a car with a turbo charger on it.

    Laszlo
  • smokey100smokey100 Posts: 26
    Thanks for your take on the radio.

    I'm very interested in what kind of MPG you get. I've checked Fuelly.com but no one has reported yet.
  • smokey100smokey100 Posts: 26
    edited March 2013
    laszlo,
    I read your comment again and then looked at pictures of the radios offered in the Forester. The one you're describing is not the one that comes in the Touring model, at least not in The States. I checked the Subaru Canada site since you mentioned kilometers so I guessed you might be Canadian. It looks like Subaru changed the naming convention between Canada and The States. In Canada the Limited is the top of the line and includes the navigation system. In The States, the Touring model is the top of the line and includes the navigation system. You wrote " turn the dial (right knob on the radio) to the station you want, press and hold any of the numbered buttons until it beeps." The touch screen nav/radio does not have a right hand knob or numbered buttons. Although I have not tried it, the radio you describe sounds like it functions the same way most radios do. The one I'm taking about is the touch screen nav/radio which is the same one that's used in the BRZ, the same one that has gotten panned and called the worst in the business. That's a shame because I really like most everything else about the Forester.
    smokey100
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    This Forester is way too bulbous for my tastes, vs the '03 that I own. I need a newer, quieter car, but I am gravitating towards the XV.

    Seems like most manufacturers go through mission creep of this type. Yes it sells cars to a new audience, but some of us end up getting creeped out of a re-purchase.

    John
  • laszlo9laszlo9 Posts: 36
    Yeah-eh, Smokey I'm in Canada but originaly I'm Hungarian and there is my different driving habbits come from. That actually sucks. Why would they do a stupid switch like that. Just to create confusion?
    Well, go back to the radio. Yes it is a normal radio that I have been driving with for decades, and like the Flintstone's stione axe it work like a charm all the time. I did not pick the Limited or Touring in the State side because I could not justify the cost for the return. I have a perfect Garmin GPS and the rest is just X-mas decoration.
    Having WRX before to me performance goes ahead of frills and that is why I picked the simpler Turbo model. Actually this clip was the final decision maker with me. It is written 2013 on the clip but it is the 2014 model:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CEVet095GI&playnext=1&list=PL944551F8247B8004&fe- ature=results_main
    I live close to the US border and we deal with lots of snow. This was the real selling point and not full leather seats or bunch of cameras.

    Laszlo
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,455
    I know what you mean, John. They did that to me with the Outback. I had three of those, then switched to a Forester in 2010 because I just couldn't stomach what they did to the Outback model.

    Don't get me wrong, I love the passenger space in the newer cars (and don't miss the lack of it at all in the previous Forester or Outback, especially the rear seat room), but they gave up so much when they changed them - much of which didn't have to be given up at all (such as handling characteristics).
  • smokey100smokey100 Posts: 26
    The Forester has the same navigation/radio system as the BRZ. Edmunds describes it in their long-term road test of the BRZ. They think it's as bad as I do. Edmunds BRZ Long-Term Road Test
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    OT, but I'd take the bigger Outback in a Baja package. That would be my dream vehicle.

    John
  • laszlo9laszlo9 Posts: 36
    I agree. I'm happy that I picked the one without the navigation system. The car runs very well and I have a normal radio. My existing Garmin does a good jub to get me where I want to go. If there would be serious equipment or power difference than you might need to think. This way you can avoid headaches and for 3-4 hundred bucks you can get a super Sat-Nav unit.
    I already pulled some wires and had the GPS fixed that anyone looks at it thinks it is built in.
    If you want I can take a shot at it.

    Laszlo
  • smokey100smokey100 Posts: 26
    laslo9,

    Sure, take a shot. I'd like to see how it turned out.

    BTW, what kind of mileage are you getting?

    Smokey100
  • laszlo9laszlo9 Posts: 36
    edited March 2013
    Hey Smokey

    As for milage I'm not sure yet. I got about 300 miles on the machine. That is peacefull city driving and a couple of highway spurts up to about 75Ml/Hr. It is the break in period. One thing I know is that what i do and the way i drive the car is far from my normal driving so it doesn't even count. With my WRX on a 340 Mile run I could have $11.00 difference driving at 75 Ml/Hr or 90 Ml/hr. I will be going to a run next Sunday wich is about 250 miles there and back, after that i can give you a more accurate figure.
    After a 1000 Miles will have an oil change then will be a bit of pushing.
    You can download the images from the server I have posted on. Here is the link;
    https://www.rapidshare.com/files/1832616218/2014 Forester.zip

    I was pulling the power from the center console storage box to the GPS, and the second wire is the AUX audio In from the GPS to the radio.
    Hope it is clear enough.

    Laszlo
  • albert72albert72 Posts: 141
    Laszlo,

    Was wondering if you are noticing any jerky motions when you are decelerating? I had heard this is one of the properties of the Subaru CVT transmission.

    I know you are still in the engine break in but do you have any impressions as to low end torque?

    Thanks
  • laszlo9laszlo9 Posts: 36
    Hi Smokey

    CVT has been around since the 1950s. Invented by a guy nam Doorne. I think he was from Holland. See the search page:http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&gs_rn=7&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=7&gs_id=io&xhr=t&q=DAF+- cvt&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=DAF+cvt&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.- 2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.aWM&fp=a79852190abe30d9&biw=1680&bih=966
    Why I put it here bacause it is easier to relate to the mechanics if you know how they work.
    Answer to your question is no, I feel no jerkiness at all. The only time there is some when you manually down shift. Unless you are accostumed to drive standard you will downshift to fast and might even accelarate since you don't work 3 pedals. To my knowledge the american produced CVT's had some serioues issues (Ford GM etc) and multiple recalls. My point is that CVT is not new especially in Europe and Japan.
    As far as I know the Forester Turbo for 2014 got the Legacy's tranny and reason was because of its capacity annd size could handle the torque of the turbo and it is using steel chains as drive belts.
    About the low end torque? I have tried some hills and had no problem. I haven't even switched it into sport mode yet.

    Laszlo
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    CVTs go back a little further in time than the 1950s. You can actually thank Leonardo Da Vinci for the idea!

    http://www.odec.ca/projects/2007/viva7s2/cvts2.htm

    Bob
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    As far as I know the Forester Turbo for 2014 got the Legacy's tranny and reason was because of its capacity annd size could handle the torque of the turbo

    I am under the impression that the Xt's CVT is the same as the one in the turbo diesel with CVT sold in Australia. The diesel's low rpm torque is about like that in the 2.0T. The Legacy CVT and engine are the same as the NON turbo Forester.
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