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2007 Infiniti M35/M45

ghstudioghstudio Posts: 968
edited May 30 in Infiniti
Dealers already ordered their first 2007 M's and will be ordering more at the begining of May.

I have been told that there are no mechanical changes to the car. I was hoping for a 6 speed automatic or one with much deeper overdrive for highway driving...3000 rpm at 70mph is just too high and I do alot of interstate driving.

The 2007 journey package will only be available on the base M35. All other versions of the M include the features in the reduced journey package.

There are now two technology packages. Navigation is included in the first one, but if you want the backup camera, you have to get the advanced technology package.

I think the premium package is still there.

self leveling, etc...HID headlights are confusing....they aren't in the 2007 journey package and I think they are in the base tech package, but not sure.

My dealer tells me that there are no changes to the seats so those who hoped for a more adjustable passenger seat will be disappointed.

Does anyone have the full list of changes?
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  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    My dealer tells me that there are no changes to the seats so those who hoped for a more adjustable passenger seat will be disappointed.

    Some people just don't get the message! I can live with the array of little niggledy-piggley things like doors that don't lock when starting to drive, a little bit too much rev at high speed ... but not to provide the passenger with an adjustable comfortable seat is dumb! IMHO, of course. :shades:
  • I just custom-ordered a 2007 M35 base with a Journey pkg. and the lower of the two tech packages, and got a (very hard to read) list of the packages from the dealership. There are indeed two tech packages - one correction to your note is that the lower tech package DOES include the backup camera and the Nav system, and on the base M35, it requires getting the Journey package.

    Journey package (for base M35):
    Xenon headlamps with automatic leveling
    Adaptive front lighting system
    Climate control front seats.

    Here's what's in the Tech package:
    Bose 8 speaker audio system (that was in the 2006 Journey pkg.)
    Nav system
    Andvanced rear view monitor

    The advanced tech package requires the base tech pkg, and adds other stuff - the Bose 14 spkr surround system, intelligent cruise control, lane departure warning system, satellite radio, DVD video/audio mounted in center console, and audio/video inputs on rear of center console.

    There is also still the Premium package that includes everything.

    Hope this helps!
  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 968
    While I hope you are right, I read the package description from Infinity at the dealer and it very clearly stated that the rear camera was only available in the advanced technology package. Navigation is included in the base technology package but without the camera.
  • I certainly hope I'm right, too, since this info is what I based my order on! The info I've posted is from a page of 2007 M35 info that the dealer got from Infiniti HQ on April 6th and faxed to me, so hopefully it's accurate!
  • pete_l_ppete_l_p Posts: 322
    If you have BOTH a fax and a signed written agreement from infiniti, stating that the car you purchased will include the rear view monitor, then I believe they owe you a car with the rear view monitor and all other promised features at the written price. If a car with all of those features, and ONLY those features, does not exist, then I believe they have to give you a car that DOES have EVERYTHING they've promised in writing, even if it means giving you additional packages at no extra charge.

    OTOH, if your signed contract differs from the fax as to what's included, you may be out of luck. However if the fax is written with precise language, and if it's signed, you still may have a good chance, depending on the wording.

    If you want to leave a post with the exact wording of all relevant portions of both the contract and the fax, and indicating whether the fax is signed, then I'll be happy to give my unprofessional opinion, and I'm sure there are attorneys here who can give you a professional one.

    Pete
  • Thanks for offering to review my agreement. I did not get that specific in the fax - just indicated that I was ordering a 2007 M35 with the Journey and Nav Tech packages, for $800 over invoice, and I put down a $500 deposit.

    I'm comfortable with what I agreed to for a few reasons:
    * I don't have to buy the car when it comes in, if I'm not happy with it.
    * Two different Southern California Infiniti dealers told me the same info about the option packages (that the rear-view camera is in the "NAV" tech package,) and one of them faxed me the page from Infiniti that shows that info.
    * Even if the NAV tech pkg. doesn't include the rear-view camera, I would not have ordered the "Advanced Tech package" with all the other stuff - it's not worth THAT much extra money to me.
    * The price I got for the car ($800 over invoice) was a very good one for a 2007, based on discussions with about 10 different dealers. They don't even have the exact prices yet.

    So I guess we'll see!
  • c3po33c3po33 Posts: 60
    So the rear view camera is not part of the journey package anymore? One has to get the Tech package to get the rear view camera, if this is correct for 2007 I think Infiniti made a big mistake.
  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 968
    They effectively merged the backup camera with Navigation which makes a lot of sense.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    Are there any rumors about a 2007 M series? The "2006" has been selling since Feb 2005 and there's a new G35 on the way. Seems as if there would have to be a 2007 M35, but I find no mention anywhere on the web.
  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 968
    2007 M's are already on order from the dealers..they started to order them last month...should arrive in early August. You can find info hidden in this forum or at freshalloy.com.

    Changes appear to be minimal..mostly packaging of options. As far as anyone knows, the engine stays the same although the G35 gets a 3.7 engine.
  • oman9oman9 Posts: 97
    ghstudio, I don't think the G35 is getting a 3.7 engine. I think it's the same 3.5 tuned to get additional HP, that's my understanding...
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    I just had my M35 in to Infiniti yesterday .... had a nail in my RR tire .... $400 bucks to replace if the patch doesn't hold.

    Anyhoo, I spoke with the sales manager for about 15 minutes. He's stopped ordering Q's ... can't give them away. He's selling more M's than G's and the sales are hot. The 2007 will be essentially identical to the 2006 ... still the crummy passenger seat. Next year's G will have a > 300 hp engine and they're coming out with a convertible version of the coupe.

    Bart :shades:
  • arnold14arnold14 Posts: 22
    What kind of tire costs $400? That's outrageous.
  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    Bart:

    I got a piece of metal (looked like it flaked off of a snow-plow blade) in one of my sidewalls. The tire was only 300 dollars. Since you have the sport, your tires may be different.
  • bw45sportbw45sport Posts: 151
    What kind of tire costs $400? That's outrageous.

    Someone is trying to mark the tire up because the Bridgestone Potenza RE050A, the OE tire on the Sport, can be had for $269.

    That price is high but it's a Maximum Performance Summer Tire which complements the already great handling of the car. Max Performance tires are not cheap. Just part of the admission price for playing the game.
  • bw45sportbw45sport Posts: 151
    He's stopped ordering Q's ... can't give them away.

    The fate of the Q oft has been discussed on Infiniti threads. My understanding, derived from a Sales Manager who had attended a futures meeting for Infiniti, is that the Q is going to go away for one model year. It will reappear, however as a 2009 model, and the intent is to completely reinvent the car. Indications are that the sportier nature of the original Q will return but the car is supposed to also be a max effort at providing luxury. No expense will be spared to manufacture a car Infiniti wants to compete squarely with the S-Class and 7er. Initial indications are that prices for the new Q will reflect that as well as they are expected to be in the 70's.

    It will be interesting to see if Infiniti is able to compete at the higher end considering their lack of success to date. The luxury market still tends to look down it's nose at Infiniti. The FX, G, and new M have changed that perception somewhat with their great reviews and sales numbers. The M is the first $50k+ Infiniti that has been successful so perhaps they can belt another out of the park even at $70k. I can hear it already, "who in their right mind would pay $70k for a Nissan?"
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    Thanks ... I had no intention of getting the tire, if needed, from the dealer. The Potenza is what I have and I know it can be gotten on the web for $250 or so. Love those tires ... love this car! Bart :shades:
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    The 19" Potenza's on the Sport are available on line for $265. The 17" is $160 and the 18" is 211. This was the very first site I checked after "googling" Bridgestone Potenza. Thus far, no pressure leakage. Bart :shades:
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    All the posts here and my conversations with my local dealer point to no changes (other than rearranging options into different groupings) going from 2006 to 2007. Yet, I find myself remaining doubtful of not even a small change (like an iPod kit or a different headlight) because I cannot remember any car, ever, to which something wasn't updated (added, changed, improved, or even screwed up -- like BMW did, in my view, with 5 series, going from 2003 to 2004) going from one model year to the next. Can anyone else recall that ever happening? If it is true, it could be interpreted as complacency. or it could be seen as appropriate confidence in having created a unique winner that buyers are still catching onto and being excited about.
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    If it is true, it could be interpreted as complacency. or it could be seen as appropriate confidence in having created a unique winner that buyers are still catching onto and being excited about.

    Charlie ... I believe it's the latter. I am surprised, however, that they didn't update the passenger's seat and lock the doors when putting the car in motion ... or provide a fail-safe mechanism for starting the car if/when the transmitter's lost ... something like the wallet key Lexus provides. The re-grouping of options probably reflects preferences expressed in feedback from buyers along with some number crunching. Based upon my conversation with the sales manager last week there is an overall strategy in place to FINALLY develop an identity and then to FINALLY make a Q that's capable of unseating the Lexus 400's, the BMW 7's, the big Benz's, etc. Bart :shades:
  • docladocla Posts: 15
    Does any one knows what changes infiniti is going to have in the M35/M45 in 2007? Is it worth to wait and get the 2007 M35?
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    Based on previous postings on this board and discussion with local dealer, my understanding is only changes are rearranging option item into different packages. What was in the 2006 Journey package will have the Navigation system added to create a Nav-Tech package (enough buyers wanted only the DVD from the 2006 technology package). The 2006 technology package (minus NAV) will be called Advanced Tech. Premium will remain same, that is, include eveything. No actual new things/features/horsepower, etc.
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    Passenger's seat unchanged, doors still don't lock when driving, no "emergency key" to start the car if/when the transmitter's lost (by the way, if the transmitter's battery dies when the doors are locked, can you get into the car?) ... repackaging options appears to be the only thing new for 2007. They are sooooooooooo close to perfection it seems a shame they can't make those few small improvements. Bart :( :shades:
  • varixvarix Posts: 72
    I agree with pete_l_p on this, those are 3 relatively easy things to rectify that would make this car basically perfect. The seat is the biggest of the bunch, not a major issue for me personally, I never ride there but if my wife cared a wit it could of been a deal breaker...sadly. Infiniti really needs to get on that seat thing... the XM traffic and better iPod integration would be very nice but not essential and maybe even these could be updates/upgrades to my 2006 M35X in the future, wishful thinking...
  • jshattnerjshattner Posts: 32
    Funny how the passenger seat adjustment item seems to always come up as one of the top gripes in posts. In my 4-month experience with the M45S and a number of long trips where my wife and I shared driving, we've both commented on how the passenger seat in the M is the most comfortable we've owned (coming off LS400s, E55, E500). While I agree that it would not have been a big deal to put in more adjustability, we surely have not needed it! Just hope the seat springs and materials hold up well.
  • jperkins22jperkins22 Posts: 10
    I would say that the two biggest additions to the M45 would be better voice quality with the blue tooth (when the driver is talking) and a 6 or 7 speed transmission for better fuel economy.
  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 968
    The infiniti web site has the following description of the M series:

    Leather-appointed, 10-way power driver and passenger seats with adjustable lumbar support

    The 2006 model has only a 6 way adjustable passenger seat. Does this mean that the 2007 now has an improved passenger seat?

    If so, this is not a minor change...but it is not on the 2007 information sheets given to infiniti salesmen.

    Can anyone confirm or deny the change?
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    The 2006 model has only a 6 way adjustable passenger seat. Does this mean that the 2007 now has an improved passenger seat?

    From what I've read, and from my recent (last month) discussion w/ the local sales manager, the passenger seating remains unchanged in the '07 model. Finding this on the Infiniti website, however, would suggest otherwise ... or a website writer who doesn't know his/her facts. And you're correct ... giving the passenger a 10-way adjustable seat would be a HUGE improvement, no minor change by any stretch of the imagination. Bart :shades:
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    10-way power driver and passenger seats

    I just went to the Infiniti website, and found the following in the description of the interior amenities:

    " ... 10-way power driver's seat adjustments ... ". There's no mention where I looked of the passenger seat.

    Bart :confuse: :shades:
  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 968
    infiniti web site, select M, select features & specifications, click on seating and trim...you will find the statement I quoted. By the way, the site is supposed to be refering to the 2006 M, not the 2007 one. We don't know if this is a change that crept onto the site recently, or if it's been wrong all year. The 2006 does not have even a 10 way drivers seat, so it's a mystery.
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