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Toyota Matrix vs. Mazda Protege5

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  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    sure...until turn one or the next hill.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    I wouldn't get too cocky about the speed of the Matrix until more magazines test production cars if I was you. :--)

    My Pro5 is no 0-60 machine, but it will hang with just about anything in the twisties!

    :--)
  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    Boy you set your sites low. A couple of cars I would consider if money was no object. (chuckle)

    2002 BMW M3
    2002 BMW M 2dr HB
    2002 Ferrari 456M GTA 2dr Coupe
    1978 Toyota FJ45 Landcruiser (Original 6cyl in mint cond.)
    1978 Nissan 280Z (mint of course)
    1969 Lincoln Continental Convert w/ suicides and the option UHF TV built in the dash

    That's assuming the money to keep them thing running and to keep the paintjobs concourse quality. (chuckle)
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Glad to know there are some fine 4wd connoisseurs on here. Unfortunately, I finally had to sell my '71 fj40 last summer...so be it.
  • rblelandrbleland Posts: 312
    Exactly my current dilemma. I am downsizing from a 2000 4Runner (don't need the expense/size). What I need is: quality, reliability, decent resale, fun-to-drive, price under $25K Cdn., and space to carry 120# dog without him licking my neck. Where I live (B.C.), the P5 and the Matrix XR (both 5 Spd.)are priced almost exactly the same. Both cars give me most of what I want so it comes down to subjective things like: the Matrix is a bit bigger behind the rear seats for the dog, the Matrix rear window flips up, they both look good but I tend to prefer the rear view of the Matrix over the P5, more headroom in Matrix, storage area is more versatile in the Matrix (seats go flat, tie-downs, etc), I believe the Matrix may be a bit quicker 0-60 and a little better on gas. Lastly, the Matrix smells better!!!
    I am serious on that - I had a '94 Protege and it had the same smell and I didn't like it then either. Either car will be the dark blue; but I suspect I will take the Matrix XR when it gets here in 2 weeks. They are both great cars for the dollars and both the Toyota and Mazda shops here are great to work with.
  • Sounds like Matrix is the way to go!
  • Let me start off by saying that despite my SN and the fact that I have been grappling with the issue of Matrix XR vs. Pro5 for awhile, IMHO the Pro5 wins hands down!! Rbleland, not to take away any of the points you brought up regarding the matrix, but when you really compare dollar-for-dollar, head-to-head, here are just some of the things that come STANDARD on the Pro5 that are all OPTIONS (or else NOT available) on the Matrix XR.....
    1) 4-Wheel Disc Brakes
    2) 16" Alloy Wheels
    3) All-Weather Guard/Rear Heater Ducts
    4) Cruise Control
    5) Fog Lights
    6) Spoiler
    7) Roof Rack
    8) Foldaway Mirrors
    9) Standard 3yr/50K warranty (vs. 3yr/36K on XR)
    10) Included 3yr/50K Emergency Roadside Assistance
    11) (and IMO a decent rear cargo cover)
    Now, maybe these options aren't very important to you...but how 'bout an extra 10 lb-ft torque and a sportier suspension on the Pro5?? Plus w/ Mazda, you can even add options INDIVIDUALLY!!! instead of buying into all of Toyota's crazy-[non-permissible content removed] packages! Sure the Matrix'll give you the 115V power outlet, but comparably equipped I think the XR might actually be running you considerably more than the Pro5......
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    The 115V outlet is a gimmic. Go to Radio Shack or any hardware store and buy yourself a 115 or 300 watt DC to AC inverter. Plug the inverter into your lighter plug then plug your stuff into that. Easy as pie. Inverters have been around forever. No big deal except for the marketing gimmickery. Perhaps if you smoke you want your cigarette lighter free as well as a 115V plug but that is the only reason why I could see it being a big plus for you (and heck, you probably have a regular lighter in your pocket if you smoke).
  • stragerstrager Posts: 308
    IMHO. One can "choose" this option and that, but it's all a meaningless exercise. They are whatever Toyota decides to add on the car that particular month. Take it or leave it.

    One more thing: the Matrix was supposed to be an "affordable" car for the younger buyer. It's not, and has become overpriced with all the "options" included on every model.
  • rblelandrbleland Posts: 312
    Thanks for your post in reply to mine @#26. First, remember I did say they are both great cars for the money. Second, it is subjective and certain items may be more/less important to different people. My critera was heavy on space (for dog) and versatility. I think the reliability, quality, driving fun and resale of both is very good and I doubt you disagree with that. I would point out that sometimes items that are standard on Canadian models differ slightly from what standard on U.S. models. For example, you state that a roof rack is standard on the P5, in Canada that's not true, the roof rack is available as an accessory (extra cost) item. Also, let me clarify that the Matrix XR here has 16" alloy wheels w 205/55R16 tires, rear heat ducts and cruise control all standard. Granted, the P5 has 10 lb/ft torque more (and that does concern me) and you get 4 wheel disc brakes. The foldaway mirrors I would trade for an outside temp. guage (in the XR) any day. It would interesting to read a good quality side x side driving comparison of the 2 to rate handling, acceleration, etc (come on, Car&Driver). The handling claim may be debatable; but, again, different people have different criteria. I dispute your contention that the P5 wins "hands down". Again, the U.S. pricing may be different, but in Canada the MSRP's are very, very close. I will have to check on the warranty issue and re-post if I differ from your claim above. I respect your opinion (which is really what all these comments are any way), but I don't think there is as much difference as your #28 post indicates. Do you own a P5 now, or just looking? Thanks.
  • Hi rbleland! Sorry if I came across too strong/bitter in #28 :) Actually, I was the one who started this discussion just a few days ago because of the fact that I had so much trouble with making this decision :) I don't yet own a P5; I'm just basing opinion off what I've researched and experienced in driving both cars. Again, I want to emphasize that this is my opinion only. I am a 25 y/o student who is looking for something practical yet fun and stylish. I cannot emphasize how much I was waiting for the Matrix XR to come out...thus my SN of Matrix2003. All along, the XR was advertised to be the "affordable" car geared towards younger buyers. However, when the car is "popularly" equipped, the price jumps out of the range of most younger buyers. Part of me is really pissed off honestly, and I feel like Toyota is not providing exactly what was advertised for so long. For me, around US $15,500 (negotiated price+rebates), I can get a nice Pro5 w/ auto, moonroof, and alarm. So what incentive is there to pay around US $19,000 (MSRP) for a car with fewer options as listed in #28????

    Living in Canada, it seems like you might have a tougher time making this decision if you have things like cruise control and wheels included, AND the price is more comparable. [Makes me want to come visit you up in Canada, eh? he he :) ] It is amazing that 1 company can make cars so very different for 2 countries!!?!?!?
  • This was a tough decision for me as well. I drove both and was impressed by both for different reasons. I'm 26 and I was looking for something more practical then a sedan, yet something that was sporty and that I would actually enjoy driving.

    IMO, the Matrix is more utility then sport, and the P5 is the opposite. The Matrix is roomier, has a more flexible interior, a better powertrain warranty, better fuel economy, and probably better resale as it is a Toyota.

    The P5 to me is defintely better looking, has slightly more power, has rear disc brakes, was about $700 cheaper, and had much sportier steering and suspension. Also, dealer's are coming off of MSRP now that it has been out for a while, and Mazda is offering special financing.

    I chose the P5 because it's important for me to get some driving satisfaction out of my vehicle. It looks better to me and it's room is plenty for my needs. However, if I really needed the extra space and put less value on the driving experience, I would not have hesitated to buy the Matrix.

    Good luck with your decision
  • rblelandrbleland Posts: 312
    This is getting interesting!! First, matrix2003, no apology is necessary, as I said we are all entitled to our opinions. That's part of what makes it great to live in the U.S. and Canada (but not France where they tell you how to judge). I confirm that the warranty on the Matrix in Canada is "basic complete car" - 36/60,000KM (36000 miles) w 60/100,000 (62,000mi)on power train. The P5 warranty is 36/80,000KM on basic and same as Matrix on power train. So, P5 basic warranty is better. I have one question - where is U.S. model P5 built as this site (Edmunds)says P5 built in St.Louis, Missouri. The Canadian P5 is built in Japan. Matrix2003, I understand your feelings about Toyota and their advert. to younger people. It sounds like the MSRP spread is much greater in the U.S. than here; plus your Matrix XR is not as well equiped as mine. Makes it easier for you to favor the P5. The MSRP in Canada on the P5 is $21,920; the XR is $21,980 - both in Canada dollars (worth only about 61cents U.S.) That includes freight, prep, tax on air conditioner (Jeez!), etc. Maryboo19, good post - you are correct in that the XR is probably more utility than sport (remember my 120# dog has to fit behind the rear seats!) There is more room back there in the XR, no question. Also, headroom greater. I still quibble over the best "appearance" but that is the most subjective call there is. For both of you, I think you are more "sports-oriented" than I and I need some "sport" with utility. Remember, I am down-sizing from a 2000 4Runner (not real sporting!). I am also of a different demographic than either of you. I am 57, and have had somewhere around 40 vehicles since age 16. The XR or P5 is also the second car for my wife and I. We also have a V6 Toyota Solara coupe which is a great car. I have about 2 weeks until I have to make the final choice but am still leaning to the XR. My P5 deal is still alive and I have not totally ruled it out. I did have a '94 Protege w 102 HP engine, it was a great car and I gave it to my son who still has it. Maybe the P5 feels a lot like my '94 and I want something new?? One other thing in favor of the P5 for me is a much better interest rate on the lease. But in the end, it will come down to that old subjective call - which one works/feels best for me. Cheers.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    The information on Edmunds is wrong.

    Check the VIN if you want to be sure, all Japan-made cars start with a 'J'.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    I have a Pro5 and love it.

    Built in Japan of 95% Japanese parts. 100% Mazda designed and built. They've been building it for other markets for years in that factory so they have any bugs worked out. I wouldn't buy a first model year car, even a Toyota.

    Other that that, I agree that the Matrix offers more space, and the P5 offers more sport. So it's really up to you to get what works best for you.

    Personally, I took the sportier, lower priced alternative coupled with Mazda's 4.9% financing. Unbeatable combination for my needs... 10k happy miles.
  • riopelleriopelle Posts: 132
    Anyone considering the Ford ZX5 alongside the Matrix and Pro5? Another 130hp 2.0l, 170" long, modern 5-door for around $18K - the three are peas in a pod. One can get traction control and leather as options on the ZX5, the handling is supposedly sublime and a standard 6-disk changer is awesome. On the other hand, Ford quality can't touch the Japanese, which puts the Pro5 over the Matrix too. Car and Driver should do a 5-door shoot out, and bring the Elantra GT and Golf along to fill out the 4 and 5 slots...
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    There are small 5-door cars all over the place now. The differences in suspension and standard features and prices are fairly large. These little cars aren't fun to me unless I can really push them in corners so suspension is important. The P5 sounds like it has a sophisticated suspension with multilink & separate struts and coils at all points plus front strut tower braces. The ZX5's suspension sounds pretty good too, though not as sophisticated as that of the P5. I'm not as sure about the Aerio's mac struts in all 4 corners or the rear torsion beam in the Matrix/Vibe. That said, real world performance matters more than theoretical limits so I guess I'll have to test drive a few to see how they feel.

    I'm not shopping hard yet so I'd certainly welcome a new 5-door shootout from Edmunds or someone else. That way I can save myself a test run/hard sell or two.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Add standard side air bags, a really functional and proper height center arm rest and dual stage console, excellent driver leg room, lumbar support, trip computer, heated side mirrors, leather upholstery, a 5/60, 10/100 warranty, rear intermittent wipers and variable intermittent front wipers, 4 passenger assist grips, and the availability of traction control in addition to ABS, and voila!....the Elantra GT...for a lot less money. 20,000 miles and loving it. Good Luck!
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    that badge on the back that is standard as well and says Hyundai.
  • He he....just when we thought the XR vs. P5 was a tough enough battle, now we've added others into the mix?!? I REALLY HOPE SOMEONE IS GETTING WORD TO CAR AND DRIVER ALREADY!!! A shootout would certainly be nice, but as riopelle eluded to, we are starting to compare apples and oranges when we throw american and korean cars into the japanese mix....

    rbleland....good luck with whatever you decide and be sure to keep up posted! :)
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