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Chrysler Town & Country and Dodge Grand Caravan 2005+

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  • ed12ed12 Posts: 100
    I went to the Chrysler website and all I see is pricing for the 2004.

    BTw, I checked out a 2005 Caravan SXT. The Stow and Go is terrific. The comfort of the seats in the second and third row is about as good as my 2002 T&C. A brillant piece of engineering.
  • I visited a local central Wisconsin Chrysler dealer who got about 10 of new ones in on Thursday today. I had been waiting to make a buy decision until I had seen this vehicle since it was so close to market. Here is what my impressions were on the new 2005 Chrysler:
    *Out of sight sticker shock. The unit I looked at had $31,000+ list (Tour edition), but no side curtain protection at that price. Had most of the other bells and whistles. Sliding side doors seemed very well done - as good as the Honda in my book.
    *The rear and front stowing seats was very thought out in many ways. They accomplish the stowing front seats by raising the step in floor height about 1 inch. The inside dimensions are not compromised. A look under the chassis shows lots of tubes and pipes routing their way around the sunk in depressions to receive the seats.
    *The rest of the car is hardly touched beyond these areas. On the outside, they are nearly indistiguishable.
    *The head rests, although not required to be removed to tuck the seats are extremely small and have little padding when compared to Quest and Ody. In fact, a poorly belted rear seat person will be badly injured by the exposed metal posts when extended, should an accident occur with front impact.
    *The floor where the seats stow were sturdy under my 190 lbs, but my wife and I wonder about their durability from being walked on relentlessly, places for grime to hide. The front seat must be positioned a certain amount forward to allow the cover to be lifted up to set the seat in the well. It folded extremely flat - improved over Quest concept.
    *Third row 60/40 split was really easy to fold and this is a huge advantage over Freestar and comparable to Sienna. Gives lots of seating options for family of 6.
    *The leg room in the third row is better than the Freestar, but worse than Ody and Quest. You cannot stick your toes under the second row seat when in the third row seat. Quest fabric cover at least gets the toes under the second row seat to gain some foot space.
    *This vehicle is better than Freestar in many respects, but in the end, we signed for an Ody LX today at $2000 less than MSRP when equipped the way we want it, which would have been several thousand less than the Chrysler to get the 3500 lb towing. Gave up the side curtain protection that the Quest has standard and the Sienna offers as an option. Just couldn't get past the Quest noisy fan when on high and less than solid fits on several other components.
  • Went to the local Dodge/Chrysler dealership today to see the new TC. Wow was I impressed! Did anyone else notice that the dashboard has a better feel to it compared to the 04s and before??
  • I received an e-mail for DC confirming that they have dropped the All-Wheel Drive option for all of their new 2005 vans. They seem to be justifing it by stating that only 3% of customers purchased AWD on 2004 vans.

    I personally believe that DC dealers not ordering AWD vans in sufficient numbers in mid-range equipped models was also a big part of the problem.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I personally like the new Town & Country and Grand Caravan over the Freestar and Relay. The only things that kept me from buying a Grand Caravan in 2002 were the non-flat folding third row seats and the previous reliability track record.
  • jglackinjglackin Posts: 164
    whats done is done, but i feel badly that your salesperson didn't seem to do a very good job presenting the vehicle to you. The '05 Touring is closer in equipment to the EX Ody. It has huge advantages over the LX (at least a dozen I can list w/o effort), so it should have more value at time of sale.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    a silver 05 Town & Country Touring at the stoplight with dealer tags.
  • pb17pb17 Posts: 33
    Any rumors about new generation engines for the minivan? Will DC go to overhead cams? How about a 5 speed tranny? Nothing wrong with pushrods though. Mpg is becoming more of an issue as gas prices ratchet up.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,630
    Same drivetrains in the '05 vans as were in the '04s--except no AWD of course.
  • Was looking for a lower end featured unit with circa 240 hp, which he indicated was not available on the lower trim levels. My application was peculiar as I wanted lots of power, but not interested in paying for the bells and whistles like power seats, power sliding doors, power lift gate, etc.

    I'm sure it is a wonderful van and delivers good value for many folks, but just not the option package I was after. As posts in other areas indicate, with a whole lot less confusion, Honda/Nissan/Toyota seems to put together the option packages most folks are interested without loading down the entry vehicle or pricing it out of sight on the high end.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    "Stow-n-Go" Seats are fantastic and much easier to use than Sienna "Fold and Stow", Quest folding seats, or the Odyssey "Magic Seat". Floor is much more nearly flat than the Quest. 2nd row Quads also move fore and aft.
        Price was very competitive at MSRP $27,595 with 2 power sliding side doors, power liftgate, 6 CD in dash stereo changer, 16" alloy wheels, 3.8L V6 with more torque than any minivan but the 4.2L Freestar that has much lower HP, triple zone temperature that very few vans have, and many other nice features.
        The cloth interior was much more attractive than the Sienna LE, Odyssey EX, or any Quest interior.
         Could see very little difference between 2005 Caravan SXT and 2004 Caravan SXT except tachometer is now standard on 2005 and the price is about $3000 less. Same with 2005 Grand Caravan SE vs 2004 Grand Caravan SE. Grand Caravan SXT was made in Canada while Caravan SXT and Grand Caravan SE were made in Fenton, MO. The grille of 2005 GC SXT is slightly different from the identical grilles of the 2005 Caravan SXT and 2005 GC SE.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    is there any difference in curb weight from the 2004 models?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Caravan SE 3908 lbs, Caravan SXT 4057 lbs, GC SE 4146 lbs, GC SXT 4252 lbs.
    Sienna CE/LE 7 passenger 4120lbs, CE/LE 8 passenger 4175lbs, XLE/XLE Limited 4165 lbs, XLE/XLE Limited AWD 4365 lbs.
    Odyssey LX 4310 lbs, EX 4365 lbs.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Did you sit in the second and third row seats on the 2005 Grand Cravan SXT? If so, did they seen to be comfortable?
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    I try to configure a 2005 minivan at Chrysler.com, but all I could do is the 2004. Where can I explore the options, prices, and features/packages of the new 2005 model year?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    2nd row 2005 GC SXT seats MORE comfortable than my son's 2002 GC Sport 2nd row bucket seats. I think my other son's 2001 Ody EX 2nd row seats are a little more comfortable than either Grand Caravan. Front seats of all 3 are equally comfortable but 3rd row seats of 2005 GC SXT are more comfortable than the 3rd row seats of the 2002 GC Sport or the 3rd row 1 piece Ody EX "Magic Seat".
         IF DC reliability has improved as much as it appears, the 2005 GC SXT would be my choice over either the Sienna LE or Odyssey EX. After 26 years, it is time for me to forget about the ugly experience I had with my 1970 Dodge van. After all, the 1976 VW Bus that replaced the Dodge van was traded off for a 1980 Chevy van when it was not much more reliable than the 1970 Dodge van.
         Toyota vehicles have been the most reliable for me but my Ford F-150 and Chevy Blazer have been remarkably reliable too. I am not brand loyal and I got the vehicle I felt best when I needed another one.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Since 2005 models appear to be hitting the dealers, maybe this discussion could now be cross listed in the Vans category? It might then get more posters.
  • We're not talking about Noble Prizes here.
    Who cares who invented what?
    I just want the best period.

    Sure, that's great that Chrysler "invented" folding seats.
    Why don't they invent better reliability and more cool features so that some of us can have some fun driving minivans instead of getting stuck with boring interior looks and "Oh-My-God-Wow" folding seats. Oooooooooooh. How exciting.

    What have you done for me, lately?
    That's what I'm talking about.

    I don't buy Toyota or Honda just because they are so-called "Japanese". Heck, they're made right here in the USA by Americans just like Chrysler is. The only difference is that Toyota and Honda try to be more than just practical.

    I mean, practical is good. But these day, you gotta have everything, man. You gotta have all the high-tech and you gotta have the awesome looks that will put Toyota and Honda to shame.

    There's nothing wrong with copying something if it's great.
    Toyota and Honda copied Chrysler with the folding seats because it's great. That's all that matters.
    Chrysler needs to copy Toyota and Honda with their looks and features and copy Kia with their 10yr/100K miles warranty.

    Forget about who invented what.
    All everyone cares about is who has the best features, looks, reliability, and warranty.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Not everyone defines the best features, looks, reliability and warranty the same way you do.

    Fold away second and third row seats that fold easily completely flush are a feature I will argue most minivan buyers will rate highly, more than NAV systems, and vehicle skid control, variable valve OHC engines, etc.

    Also, many people have price as a major feature. You want to pay for all those bells and whistles? Good, go buy your fully loaded Sienna or Odyssey for a price in the upper $30K range. You want a choice of wheelbases and vans that start under $20K MSRP, go DC.

    That's why its good to have choices, right?

    PS My opinion, but the DC minivans have always been the best looking minivans on the market, and still are. Best warranty right now too, or does Kia have it with a 10 year 100k limited warranty?
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