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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?

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  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well not all those vehicles are just made in Mexico or Canada, as an example the Silverado also is made in Ft. Wayne, Indiana.

    I will also will add I'd rather buy a car made in Canada, than in China. ;)

    As far as your comment goes about GM, should build in China, so they get their quality up sounded like a cheap shot. But I'll leave it alone. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    So that's where the pet food is coming from lemko ? Wasn't it sold at Walley World stores ?

    Back to Cadillac, I have a question to ask lemko. Do you like the changes made to the 2008' STS ?

    Rocky
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Well the quality certainly doesn't seem to be up to par when they're built here, so what do you suggest?. I say have them built in Canada. And it wasn't a cheap shot..I was trying to think of the best solution...If GM is doing so great we wouldn't be having this standard of the world discussion, now would we? You don't see anyone asking if Lexus is going to be standard of the world do you?, cause they'd be embarrassed that there would be too many yes's or "they already are's"
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    The company subject to the pet food recalls is called MenuFoods who manufactures all kinds of grades of pet food from the cheap Sav-A-Lot brand to upscale brands like Eukanuba and Iams. I understand it is limited mostly to wet foods like that in cans and foil packets.

    I love the changes done to the CTS. What was done to the STS? The DTS is the car that's currently on my radar.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Although it looks very nice the new 2008 Cadillac CTS looks like a rehashed version of the late 80's short sized Eldorados
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    You mean the diminutive 1986-era Seville as it was a four-door. The Eldorado was a coupe. The CTS is exponentially nicer than either. I get a magazine from the Cadillac-LaSalle club and an article showed a beautiful red CTS finished in Passion Red. The car is too small for me, but it would make an awesome ride for my girlfriend.
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Yes, that's what I mean. And I don't think Cadillac realizes how anxious people are for this car.
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    You mean the diminutive 1986-era Seville as it was a four-door. The Eldorado was a coupe. The CTS is exponentially nicer than either. I get a magazine from the Cadillac-LaSalle club and an article showed a beautiful red CTS finished in Passion Red. The car is too small for me, but it would make an awesome ride for my girlfriend.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    I think Cadillac is wasting it's time with the 2007 CTS. They should bring the 2008 out early. I don't have a problem with the current car, but - wow - the 2008 is so much nicer!
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    Again lemko, that's one of GM's/ Cadillac's continuing problem. You know, I know, everyone else knows, but they don't know...:)
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    Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 06, 2007 8:58 pm)

    I think Cadillac is wasting it's time with the 2007 CTS. They should bring the 2008 out early. I don't have a problem with the current car, but - wow - the 2008 is so much nicer!
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    The 08' CTS, is still on my radar. I can't wait to get a confirmed date on the release of the CTS-V, and how much ? ;)

    Rocky
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,531
    GM got into trouble, and especially Cadillac, because Americans didn't buy their products...so really the distress of the Big 2.5 today is simply the historical result of the most massive consumer boycott in American history during the 1980s....your parents voted with their checkbooks to buy more and more foreign cars because they were better.

    It's quite possible that brands like Toyota and Honda are riding on brand equity rather than any significant superiority, but that brand equity is worth billions and Cadillac doesn't have it anymore....gave it away to the Germans and the Japanese.,,, much like the British motorcycle industry gave it away to the Japanese in the 1970s. Harley Davidson kept its brand equity through some shrewd marketing and great styling, even though their products are as mediocre as ever.

    GM didn't try to save Cadillac by being shrewd or clever in either marketing or styling---if anything, GM helped the Japanese and Germans by being so gutless in protecting Cadillac from losing its prestige IMO. The abuse of the Cadillac brand is a black mark in GM history and it was an incredible blunder.

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  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Shifty, you can think Roger Smith for the 1980's Cadillac's :sick:

    Rocky
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Late '80s and early '90s Cadillacs. Given the lead times and delays in product design at GM back then, the V-864 and Cimmaron belong to this guy.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    My family never cared much for him also. He and Roger, came from the same Hen House philosophy wise :mad:

    Rocky
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    Lee Iacocca had a better description of Thomas Murphy. He called him a horse's (expletive deleted)!

    My own description of Roger Smith is that he was one of the 20th Century's worst monsters. He belongs in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Idi Amin.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Unfortunately I was not able to find these sources that I should have saved. I do recall Porsche being #1, with Luxas or Cadillac #2, Buick and two others in the top 5. The Korean Hyundai as a car line was not good in this study even though Sonata was top rated in initial quality.

    The JD Power 2006 dependability study for the number of problems per vehicle had Lexus #1. Here is a partial list of the top ones with an industry average of 227.

    2006 Nameplate Ranking
    Problems per 100 Vehicles

    Lexus 136
    Mercury 151
    Buick 153
    Cadillac 163
    Toyota 179
    Acura 184
    Honda 194
    Jaguar 210
    BMW 212
    Infiniti 215
    Lincoln 220
    Ford 224
    Oldsmobile 224
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,893
    In all fairness to the times of the ill fated Cimarron, the auto industry was in chaos. CAFE standards were there and a big fines were tacked on all automakers that did not keep to that average in their fleet. A company like Cadillac was not exempt because they only built tuna boats. I think we forget that Toyota and Honda cars were not that great in the 1980s either. Toyota is living on the reliable cars they built during the 1990s and early 21st century. Times are a changing. If these other brands are so much better than Cadillac, why are they not matching the warranty offered by GM. If Lexus is so reliable they should not hesitate to offer 7 years 100k miles without paying a gob of money extra.

    My local Caddy dealer has low mileage certified Cadillacs with 6 years and 100k miles on the lot for normal dealer TMV prices. I think a used Caddy is the most bang for the luxury buck going. Though I have found you can buy year old LX470 $15 grand under trade-in TMV, here in San Diego. They were so over priced anyway. Neighbor bought a perfect 2006 LX470 with 20k miles for $33,500. Dealer offered less in trade on a new Lexus.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    lokki, I believe the information that has eluded me was either from JD Power or Wards Automotive studies. I will try and save information in the future. JD Power's website was of no use. I think they want you to subscribe for the info.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    Gee, no backlash to Chinese built Buicks, huh?
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    I have not had anything weird go wrong with the car, like brake manifolds falling off or water pump failing, or head gaskets blowing, etc...crankshaft suddenly falling, etc..

    I can see the head gasket, but everything else in this quote is MINOR compared to a transmission. 23 years of driving GM products and I have NEVER replaced a tranny, or any other MAJOR component. :lemon: 's, I THINK NOT!!!!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,073
    >brake manifolds

    What's a brake manifold?
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    I'll tell you what facts apply RockyLee. The horrible experiences I've had with GM cars compared to Toyota cars

    Dates. Models. I refuse to listen to another sentance of you yelling how bad GM is without coughing up specifics.

    My guess is that your bad GM cars were all over a decade ago and you're living in the past.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,531
    Good cars don't need long warranties is the best answer I can give. The more someone wants what you have, the less you have to build their confidence.

    Long warranties are a marketing tool--the worse your car, or the worse your market position, the longer your warranty should be....why would you extend a warranty on a product that performs well? Makes no financial sense.

    Look who historically pushed the concept of the long warranty----Hyundai, Chrysler and Mitsubishi---- 'nuff said.

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,702
    The one question I would have is whats a typical problem for each car. I could better live with 2 problems a Ford might have if its a light that burns out and a knob that falls off over one problem that a Lexus has if its the engine falling out.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,702
    Good cars don't need long warranties is the best answer I can give.

    Then the question is if it is such a good car and doesn't need a longer warranty why try to sell extended warranties at the time of sale? I see a longer warranty as a willingness to stand behind a car. people don't stand behind something like that if they know its no good.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,893
    The answer I see given to the folks with failed hybrids the most, is. You should have bought the extended warranty. What were you thinking with all the high tech? And those are mostly Toyota hybrids that have VERY expensive replacement parts after the 3yr 36k mile warranty expires. The only things covered under the hybrid warranty is what ever the state requires the automaker to cover. Very little it turns out. The fact that Cadillac and GM have extended the warranty is a sign they are confident in their newer offerings. Same with Hyundai. Not ToyLex and Honda. My Mercedes Sprinter conversion van came with a 7Yr 75k mile standard warranty. Not a $2000 add on as many offer.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    gagrice, Lexus, SUV's are the cheap in Cali ? :surprise:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    I agree....It's like buying a electronic device or an appliance. If the company stands behind it that means it must be good. ;)

    Rocky
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    Ask mediapusher-it's HIS comment. My guess is it's held in with a kiniffeling pin ;)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,531
    Extended warranties that you buy aren't warranties, right? They are insurance policies, and GREAT profit generators for dealers. You're betting your car screws up, and the warranty company is betting it doesn't screw up beyond the $$$ you paid for the policy. This is why an extended warranty on a Jaguar or Benz costs more---the actuarial tables suggest worse odds for the warranty company than they do for a Honda.

    I'd buy an extended warranty if I had a Mercedes, too, but I didn't when I bought the Toyota---the odds are against needing it IMO. I'm playing the odds in other words.

    On the other hand, any company offering genuine factory extended warranties right out the door at no cost to the consumer is like a developer of condos saying: "This used to be a bad neighborhood, but now we're offering 24 hour police protection".

    GM and Cadillac need to extend the warranty for marketing purposes. It's meant to restore buyer confidence in the product. And it does work!

    I'm not saying the consumer SHOULDN'T have confidence in a GM product, I'm just saying they don't have it now and they need encouragement.

    Smart move. I'd do it too if I were CEO of GM, and if the company could afford it. Time will tell. If the product still isn't any good, extended warranties will bust GM. Not the first time this has happened to a company.

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