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Honda Prelude 1997-2002

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    The oil pressure has to be up and the engine has to be warm and the throttle has to be planted for the VTEC to kick in...

    Good Things Come To Those Who Wait. I'm waiting for 1000 miles...only another few hundred to go.

    That guy on the Civic Si board (aposts) really lucked out huh? A credit to the chassis development department at Honda.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    You're absolutely correct on the temperature thing. No engine heat, no VTEC, ballooned head.

    But, the throttle does not need to be planted in oder to engage VTEC. At part-throttle, VTEC just engages later in the rev range. 5200RPM is the earliest it will kick in without adding a VFAC (variable fuel/air controller).

    As aposts has demonstrated, the SI is porky for a good reason.
  • Oh, I've given up on the SL board. When a guy says that 450hp Mercedes don't have wheelspin just because they have a star on the front hood, you know it's time to stop arguing.

    Prelude is doing great and actually receiving the lion's share of the daily driving. I'm settling into a routine, actually. I wake up early and drive to work and back--Prelude. When I get home, I feel an irresistable urge to get in the S2000 and drive somewhere... usually it's a made-up errand:

    "Uh oh, I only have three weeks of toothpaste left in this tube... I better make a quick trip to the supermarket in the S2000."

    Then I come back home, derring do, then the usual 10-11pm workout at the gym where the Prelude once again takes over because my arms are often shot after lifting and the S2000 for some reason feels a lot less safe to drive when your forearms feel like jello.

    Someone on the "Honda Thing" thread suggested getting rid of cars like the Prelude, S2000, NSX, Civic Si, etc. Over my dead body I say.
  • It was varmint. Don't worry, I have the Toyotathon tape around here somewhere!!!

    Here's the secret: if you pay enough, you can escape the laws of physics... no wheelspin!! Isn't that cool or what? Goes with retractable roofs...
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    I'm actually suprised with some of his less than educated answers. I've read some of his posts on other MB boards and while he is a die-hard MB guy, he seems to know what he is talking about and usually backs it up.

    Great comment about having plenty of popcorn. I'm sure his blood pressure raised a bit from that one.

    Welcome back!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Jeez, I'm almost sorry I missed the SL500 chat.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    an epic battle for sure!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • Who needs Hollywood?!

    Grand Prix coupe died too. Eventually you'll need to spend
    as much money as a SL500 requires to get a decent coupe/convertible/sporty car, eh? >:( I mean, in the very
    near and scary future.

    Did Prelude people REALLY gravitate to the Civic/Accord/CL/RSX coupes??
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Not this one!

    Most people who bought the 5th gen Prelude did so because they understood the fundamental differences between it and the Civic/RSX (Integra)/Accord trinity. I think the CL falls more into the "personal luxury" coupe class than "sport coupe" -- it's just so heavy.

    When the time came for me to replace my '98 GS-R, I immediately recognized the Prelude's abilities as superior to those found in the RSX-S. It wasn't even close.

    At same the time, there was no Accord V6 with a manual tranny, no performance oriented Civic (to much of a rental car feel now, anyway), and the CL-S 6spd. was still six months away.

    However, if the Acura TSX had been available when I was shopping, I dare say it would've been on my short list, ahead of the RSX-S.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    If I had to replace my Prelude today, I'd try to hold out for the RX-8 or just snag a 350Z.

    Sadly, there isn't a single model in the current Acura/Honda line-up that would keep me in the family.

    Honda had better get cracking on a S2000 coupe, or I'm gone.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    I've pretty much wanted a Prelude since the 4th gens came out in 1992 (Even the 1990-1991 3rd Gens are nice looking). When the 5ht generation was introduced in 1997 I knew I wanted one. I was so mad when I read the Prelude was being discontinued at the end of 2001 that I gave up all hope of ever owning one. I even ripped up my 2001 Prelude brochure which I had been saving for some odd reason or another.

    Since I'm pretty impressed with the Euroness (Well weighted steering, excellent road feel, tightly wound suspension, excellent sheet metal/paint quality...) of my Saab, I figurered I'd go all out and go for a BMW 325Ci, Audi A4 1.8T, Lexus IS300, or Mercedes-Benz C230K Sports Coupe. Of the 3 I decided I was going to order a BMW 325Ci via European Delivery (and tie in a vacation with my girlfriend) with a Stick, Sunroof, Heated Seats, & Sports package. I was gung ho about doing this in the fall when tourism in Europe falls and the car would be delivered to me right around the time the lease is up on my Saab (December). In the middle of April, my practical side kicked in and said "what is the purpose of buying a BMW to basically just have it sit in your parent's dirveway and drive a few times a month." My parents said to me "You only 26 years old and should wait to buy a BMW."

    I got my finances together and called a local dealer near my parents' house where I knew I'd have the car serviced. I was in contact with one of the sales managers via email and told him that I was looking for a leftover 2001 Prelude Type SH in either Red, White, or Silver. He called me back a week and a half later and told me he's found some black ones and even a blue car. I told him red, white, or silver and I'll consider a base model if you find one with a stick. Well, all the base models in our region (including the 6 on his lot) were SS. He called me one day as I was about to walk into a Rangers game at the Garden and told me he's located a car for me and needed a deposit. He said since he's doing a swap, the best price he could do for me was invoice. He said if the car had been sitting on his lot that he'd be able to give me a better deal. The Prelude is a lot cheaper than any of the competitors above. The rest is history! I LOVE MY PRELUDE!

    I'm not sure what I would have done if the Prelude couldn't be found. The Accord V6 (or Acura CL/TL) wasn't available in a stick. The styling of the RSX Type S didn't appeal to me (at the time). The RX8 is still months away and so is the 350Z for that matter (unless you want to be gouged by the dealer). Neither the Z or the RX is going to have a sunroof (which is a requirement for me).

    When the time comes to replace my Prelude down the road, I'd definitely look at the RSX Type S, CL Type S (despite it weight, it does have 260hp), The BMW 325Ci, and maybe the S2000...

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Himiler...what's the Acura TSX? I haven't heard anything about it.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    The TSX is the car that will fill the void left by the dearly departed Integra GS-R 4-door. It's essentially a Japanese/Euro Accord with different badges. Per this month's Car & Driver, it carries a 2.4-liter i-VTEC four-banger that makes 190 HP and 163 ft/lbs of torque, mated to a 6-spd manual or 5-spd auto. Figure on Acura bumping the output up to a full 200 HP when it lands here.

    The car is 3 inches shorter in wheelbase than the US-spec Accord, but uses the same dual-control-arm front and multilink rear suspensions. (No struts, thank god!) The styling is much sleeker than the US Accord, as well.

    It'll basically be a Euro Type-R in Acura Type-S trim for around $25,000.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Hmmm...Car & Driver hasn't made it to my mailbox yet. I'll be sure to look for it when it comes in.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    There's a TSX discussion going in Sedans, but not much substance yet. The car looks pretty slick, for a Honda 4-door.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Are there TSX pics posted anywhere?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    caranddriver.com hasn't updated to show this month's content, but there were some links in the TSX discussion.
  • Like himiler, from the perspective of a Prelude owner, there's no Honda or Acura that would keep me "in the family" at this point in time. The CL-S isn't as crisp and the RSX-S isn't as refined and purposeful. If I had to replace the Prelude with another coupe, I almost certainly would focus on a 330Ci, and if I couldn't afford that then I'd get a used Prelude. There simply aren't many driver-oriented coupes on the market.
  • Hey y'all... just picked up what has to be one of the last brand new 2001's in existence. What fun, I love this car so far... can't wait 'till the break-in period is over so I can open her up.

    Just echoing what I'm hearing on this board, I was in the market for a sporty 2-door, and there was nothing out there that I could drive without

    a) looking like a teenager (RSX), or
    b) breaking the bank (BMW 3-series/Mercedes C-coupe, etc.)

    Anyway, thank God for the leftover Lude, I don't even mind that it's a 2001. There really is nothing comparable at this price range, especially from Honda/Acura.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    What color/trim did you get? Base model or SE? Stick or SS? What's the build date on your car (check the driver's door)? Congrats! You're going to love it!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • black, SE, stick, built Oct/01.

    So far it blows my Integra out of the water in just about every department. 2 complaints: stereo sucks and sunroof doesn't open wide enough. Otherwise, it's great.

    Funny, nccarguy, when I read your post about how you came to buy the Prelude, I must say that was exactly the thought process I went through. My original plan was to buy a 325.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    SE w/ a stick...very nice! Our cars must have been shipped over on the same boat because the build date on my car is 10/01 as well.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • I've heard more opinions, both good and bad, about the stereo in the Prelude than just about any other feature. Personally, I like the Prelude's stereo, particularly the bass response. Especially when you consider that: a) it's a stock system, and b) there's no subwoofer.

    Also, it's true that it sounds better at higher volume.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I first added a powered sub to the factory set-up, by was getting some wacky noise that couldn't be filtered. I then upgraded the head unit to a 50Wx4 piece which was too much for the stock speakers (the fronts are only rated for 15W max). So, I upgraded all the speakers (save for the door-mount tweeters), and subsequently had so much more bass and mid-range that I just yanked the sub out of the trunk.

    Believe it or not, I actually have better sound now with just the better speakers and the upgraded head unit than I did with the stock speakers, sub, and upgraded head unit.

    Unless you're looking for bass that'll make your neighbors want to key your car, or which makes you a candidate for a cochlear implant before 35, just upgrade the speakers and the head unit for less than $500. And you won't even need a heavy, space-eating sub box to be slamming around your trunk during cornering.

    Cowboy -- Welcome to an exclusive club! I'm glad to see that you "get" what the Prelude is all about.
  • Anyone look at leather interiors, i.e. egclassics.com and the like? They look pretty enough and would add so much to the interior; it's hedonism and a waste of money, to be sure, and the stock seats are fantastic, but a part of me still yearns for the leather interior. Thoughts or experiences?

    I'm enjoying the lude and thinking about winter tires. I picked up 3 Type SH rims from a friend whose Prelude was reconstructed after a flipping accident. Three rims got extremely light scratches but are otherwise perfect, and they were replaced with new ones under insurance. He didn't want the spares since he's doing the whole slammed aftermarket thing (ugh) so I got three free near-new Type SH rims. I figure that if I can score a fourth one on the cheap, and a good set of winter tires, I'll be in fine shape.

    I'm not up to speed on the latest and greatest in tires, but is there such a thing as release dates for hot, eagerly anticipated upcoming tires? Are there model years and yearly differences or "refreshes" of tires? Weather aside, how do you know when is the best time to buy the right set of winter tires? I just realized that I know zilch about the tire industry.

    I really, really want a CD changer in my Prelude. I gotta upgrade the sound. Ugh. I need more money.... :(
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Leather? No thanks.


    Cool deal on the SH rims! They're nice-looking, but weigh about 0.5lbs more than the base rims.


    Winter tires? Looks like you're planning on going with an OE-size tire on the SH rims. Not to whiz on your parade, but that's kind of a bad idea for a few reasons:


    --road salt will eat the finish off aluminum rims, if that matters to you

    --a 50-series sidewall gives your wheels very little protection from nasty Winter potholes, placing your SH rims in further jeopardy

    --the narrower your tire's width, the better the traction you'll get (the narrower width gives you a smaller contact patch for the tire, which in turn causes the car's weight to produce more downward pressure on the contact patch, giving you greater traction)

    --winter tires sized 205/50-16 are pricey, and are generally H- or V- speed-rated, meaning they'll offer less grip in icy conditions

    --go to http://tirerack.com to run a search for winter tires in the size you need, and see what your options are


    The best time to buy winter tires is as soon as you have the money to do so. Dealers generally ratchet-up the prices $5-10 per tire by the end of October.


    I've had nothing but positive experiences with my 195/60-15 Michelin Artic-Alpins mounted on 15" steelies. Same goes for the Tire Rack -- I've been a customer of theirs for nearly 10 years, and continue to be very pleased with their service, selection and prices.

  • Thanks for the thoughts. I have a SH, so having an opportunity to pick up a few extra SH rims seemed perfect. They're free and I don't mind too much if they experience a little wintertime corrosion, as it's impossible to keep a nice car looking good during Detroit winter anyway. (I've tried.) But you're right, there is a dearth of 205/50/16 winter tires and I do struggle with the prices of some of these. Maybe I can sell 'em... hmm.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Sphinx99: I've seen leather in various other random Preludes. I think it is a nice touch, but there are better things to spend your money on (there always is). Maybe you can try to pick up some factory leather seats from a wrecked Canadian Prelude SE. Just a thought. Michigan is close enough to Canada isn't it? I think the stock seats in our cars are very comfortable and grip well, so I'm going to leave well enough alone:)

    Himiler: You've got a great idea about just replacing the head unit & stock speakers. Some people at Best Buy & Circut City (don't worry, I was just asking, I don't think I'd have work done there) and they told me pretty much the same thing. Leave it to you to know that the stock front speakers pump out a blazing 15Waats max.

    Winter Tires: I'm a big fan of them even here in southern NY where we barely get any snow anymore (thank-you global warming). I do think it is a good idea to put winter tires on a car with such low ground clearance (like our Preludes) to help out when it does (plus it gives me a chance to switch to Z rated summer tires when the stockies wear out:)

    Sphinx99 I originally had the same idea as you did until I was once again enlightened by you and Himiler. I think I'd be better off switching to a (minus 1?) wheel & tire combination. Michelin Arctic Alpins have gotten high praise from the BMW boards here on TH. I'd also advise on doing research on Brideston Blizzaks. I had these on my 1992 Beretta GT when I was in college in hilly, snowy, Ithaca, NY (winters very Michigan-esq and close to where himiler calls home) during my four years of college and was out on the roads with all the "townies" and their pick-ups and the "spoiled" Long Island kids and their SUVs. The Michelins may be better for regular everyday winter driving and the blizzaks may hold the advantage when trekking through snow and over ice.

    Other Hondas: I was tooling around through various car dealerships in near my parents' house. Since this is a Prelude topic, I'll stick with the Hondas I sat in. BTW, mileage is up over 700 now:)

    CRV- For around $20K (plus a little for the EX model) this little SUV seems to have lots of room on the inside. Best of all, it is available in a stick.

    Civic Si- Interior was comfortable. The rally style shifter is way cool. The gears are spaced so much closer then in the Prelude. Had lots of headroom. I'm not sure I can get past the looks of the headlights though. Something about them I don't like.

    S2000- I know know why Sphinx99 bought back his Prelude for utility purposes. Wow that car is small. It did fit my 5'11" 145lb frame very nicely though. It was Yellow/Black. I've got to drive one some day when I have more time:)

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • You answered one of the questions I'd been wondering, and that is whether 15 inch wheels would fit on a Prelude.

    My next question concerns the impact of changing from 16's to 15's for the winter. Do you have to get the speedometer recalibrated, or is it only off by a bit so that it's not a big deal?

    In the past few days I have been wondering what took me so long to buy a Prelude... best compliment so far came from a BMW 540 driver who told me what a "beautiful machine" I was driving. Gotta love it!
  • I've been using Arctic Alpins on the stock 16" rims on my 2001 Prelude, and I've had no problem in Boston winters -- moderate amounts of snow and occasional ice. If you have to do a lot of driving on ice, the Blizzaks are better, but they handle poorly on dry roads.
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