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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150
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Definitely DO NOT buy Titans that were built in or before May, '04, if you are concerned about initial qualities. Nissan sent in the "S.W.A.T." team in May.
Ghosn is fixing the Canton debacle in his characteristic fashion -- that is, with the subtlety of a chain saw. In May, he flew in 220 engineers from Japan and Nissan's older Smyrna (Tenn.) plant. The damage-control team searched every inch of the assembly line for flaws. Some were obvious: Factory hands, many of them newcomers to carmaking, wore rings and studded jeans that scratched freshly painted trucks. Other glitches were maddening: Power window switches and reading lights on the Quest often seemed possessed by gremlins, and its sliding doors didn't close quite right. So the team worked with suppliers to reengineer parts, while robots were reprogrammed to weld car bodies more tightly, and better insulation was added to the roof of the Armada. Then Ghosn shook up management, even raiding archrival Toyota to hire troubleshooter Douglas G. Betts as his new vice-president for assembly quality. As the 2005 Nissans enter dealerships this fall, buyers will learn firsthand whether Ghosn's personal intervention has paid off.
I would wait for '05 models if I were you.
Read the whole article here:
http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_40/b3902012.htm
I'm guessing most people will not do the math to see what the savings would be for 72 months of no interest on $20 - $30k. you can be sure the dealer knows what the trade off is and will be eager to give you a zero point loan in exchange for a dealer discount.
If you can get the 0% loan on top of all the discounts then more power to you.
it still works out better to take the rate in all cases except the freestar and explorer.
Good things come to those who wait.............
kip
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the gap between the fenders and the hood. are the gaps different sizes or the same?
does the trim around the headliner look even?
look closely at the paint.
well, we sell about 10 a month and have 34 in stock...so yeah...about 100 days. normal inventory in the new car biz is 90 days, so the 100 day thing isnt outrageous.
Also, the new F-150 ALSO has many issues so don't be scared about build quality. I have had my Titan for 6 months with the radio being the only real issue.
If Ford would have had the same issues the Titan is having, the headlines would read "The world is ending, they did it wrong, company goes bankrupt because of quality issues".
So instead of misguiding people and saying all is perfect, and sweeping it under the carpet as many wish to do. Best to show factual information and warn them, before making their purchase based upon "perceived" notions.
It looks as if - if there is to be a contender to the F-150, the Titan has the most potential at this moment. I would not count Toyota out forever, but if there is a weakness to the Tundra, it would likely be in style, where Toyota has yet to often impress. Many, however, don't care about that, and lots of them drive Sequoias anyway.
GM is so in love with last century technology, it's not likely they will overtake anybody, yet, they build a decent comfy truck that runs pretty well, for those who never lift a hood, it remains a favorite.
Dodge - well, continues to look great, and hang on to the economy crowd who are dazzled by the price, and don't notice how tinny they remain. Or don't care. Hell, it's cheap and fast. What more can you ask for?
So, we can't wait to see how the shootout between the King and the Titan comes out. And it could go either way. Both Nissan and Ford are very similar companies in their inconsistencies and inability to stay on course financially. I submit, given these two outstanding, and similar trucks, that the financial well being the companies will yet determine the ultimate winner. In the end, we all win though, as these two excellent trucks fight for first place. They both just get better in the process.
Diesel? V-10? He traded an F-250 V-10 in on the Armada, and regrets it now.
Also, I had heard the Excursion had received a stay of execution for a while...not true? Does the ExtendoExp replace the Excursion?
read a little more carefully, ANT. his reasoning wasnt space, its towing.
also, if he doesnt have a weight-distributing class IV hitch, then he cant tow 9500 lbs. the factory hitch is only a regular class IV.
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my point was that people who are members of forums are the ones with problems or are seeking advice about tinkering with their vehicle, so there it may seem as if a high percentage of forum members are having problems... that is the nature of automobile forums.
my second point was that if you visit F150 forums, you will find that those owners are also having some problems... such as stalling out while coasting, which can be a very serious problem, especially if it leads to an accident. This could be devastating to Ford if it leads to a recall.
Nissan does need to improve quality. There is no doubt about that. Some vehicles are problem free while other seem to have many nagging issues. But this is a new vehicle from a new plant and overall, they have done well. I expect Nissan to improve each year.