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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150
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That's absolutely incredible, Ant. I find it unbelievable that so many entered the roadways in one year. If you estimate an average length of 20' per rig, that's around 3,500 miles of back-to-back Ford pickups. Yikes.
I wonder what the national average is for length-of-ownership on trucks? Most of the folks I know usually keep their trucks for 10+ years unless they have some glaring problem with them that they cannot handle, as opposed to about 6 years for their cars/small suvs.
but simple 1/4 or 1/2 ton trucks are not much different from passenger cars when it comes to trade cycle...generally between 27 and 39 months.
I cannot see how purchasing a vehicle is a good investment if you only hang on to it for 3 years or less.
They sure did xwesx, they shamelessly copied the new F-150 from bumper to bumper! But so did Toyota on the first Tundra, and why not, it's the Gold Standard evidently.
And, I suppose it is just yet another opinion out there, but the Titan is most certainly distinct and separate from an F150. Both manufactures departed, quite blessedly, from the trend toward soft, sleek looks (as did Chevrolet to some extent, but I think their aesthetic quality took a nose dive because of it - pun intended). However, if you take a look at the Titan, it follows the same general trend as the rest of Nissan's products in appearance. I personally like the appearance of the Ford better, but I'd buy neither because I need a truck to really work and a 1/2 ton just can't cut the mustard. If I were to consider them at all for some off reason, I'd do so equally because folks on both sides of the fence have laid forth good pros and cons. Other similarities, like bed and interior dimensions, should be similar because Ford knows how to make a functional pickup, so why should Nissan try to buck a system that is obviously what the consumer wants and has wanted for decades? They aren't trying to make a specialty vehicle that will appeal to a small market....
-Wes-
Anyhow, enough of Toyota, this is about Nissan and Ford. My apologies for the detour all.
All the mods that i have put on my truck -except the chip- have, over all, helped my gas mileage. But when the chip is in- i start to see my gas mileage go from 16 to about 12 believe it or not ...so it really depends what you want in a truck. The horse power i gained was probably not worth the gas mileage, but if you want an extra 20 horse power then go for the chip also.
exhaust on a f-150 is always a must (in my opinion). For one thing it always adds an awesome look and sound (assuming you get the 40 series with the 3" tips or something like it) and it also allows your exhaust to "breath" better. as far as manufactures go Flowmaster guarantees 10-12 hp. And if you want some other brand besides flowmaster- Gibson is what i would call "2nd" best.
intakes are anyones guess, but i have been very happy with my K&N system. I think they have been selling on ebay for around $150. It'll give your truck around 10hp and it also adds a nice mix of sound with the exhaust.
chris
just thought youd wanna know.
http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/04-4way/04-4way.html
my truck runs 0-60 7.9 seconds flat, but i do have some mods as i said earlier. still that would be a good race according to that chart..if i can find a titan who will.
chris
But I have had a GMC for the last 16 years, and I am tired of the same plastic crap virtually un-changed.
So I test drove the F-150, for 300 HP it felt like 105 HP, a real dog, a pig on power, I basically needed ½
Pedal travel to get the acceleration out of this truck as I need a ½ inch in my sierra, the cornering is awful,
I needed ¾ of a turn of the wheel to make a corner and it had a lot of lean IMO, I can do this with less than ½ of my current truck.
Then I drove the titan, very good power at the front, a nice growl from the exhaust, then I put the puppy
Thru the paces in a wide open parking lot with curbing and such, I broke lightly turned in and stepped on the power,
It had Very little under steer that I experienced and it pulled very well thru the corner, so well the sales man grabbed for the
Door handles and buckled up. I did this about 6 or so times and it left a very promising impression. My only thought is
Will this truck last 7 years???
I think it comes down to what you find most important for you in a truck and finding out which of the available models is the best at giving it to you. Unless something drastic is wrong with the design longevity has more to do with how well you take care of the truck than brand. Do good preventative maintenance on it and you should have no trouble. (blech. Can't believe I'm endorsing a competitor. )
Goodluck with your vehicle hunting!
BTW: Next time you think Found On Road Dead, think First On Race Day instead ;-)
BTW, I will agree with you on you "first" comment only if it Pertains to "ChampCar Racing" and not the nascar series.
In recent years I have stayed away from ford products for my wife and daughter because I don't want to work on them, they drive a Lexus GS 400 and Honda Civic respectively.
I really want to buy an American Built truck but unfortunately they don't build em anymore the fords parts are from Canada and Mexico. So what other choice do I have? A Gmc or Chevy or god forbid a Dodge yea right they are really JUNK. Sorry if it sounds like I am venting but I am but not on you. I am venting on the American auto makers.
I am going to make one of those misguided purchases and buy a 2005 TITAN CREW CAB LE RED ALERT.
Keith
Of course, the Titan after two years doesn't have any better reliability record or reputation.
Dusty
Please note: I am a FORD Man and will always be despite what I've said I am still considering the f-150 just because they are getting so right on the price (about 8100 off msrp as far as my quotes) and yes the ford is very nicely refined and smooth I do like that part of the truck. I am still trying to figure into the price of the new ford, how much will I have to spend on performance mods to make this thing run the way I think it should.
thanks, Keith
But the MANY nagging problems I see posted here about the 04s and 05s and elsewhere scares me to death ! Also check the armada and Q posts here in
the SUV threads.
Not to mention the POOR resale value (if you can find a dealer who
will take it in trade....mentioned by the car gurus in the Smart Shopper thread
here).
Lots of folks carry on that its the 1st year syndrome..........Funny I don't see as
many heartbreak posts about the new Ford design.
Buy what YOU like anyhoo............Just be warned.................
kcram - Pickups Host
I am looking for a new truck so please help should I buy the out dated GMC/Chevy or the Tough ram dodge (low quality) or the slow slow slow feeling ford f-150. Lets face it it is my $30000 and my only real voice is how I spend it. American auto makers need to wake up Ford has treated people like they just don't care about their satisfaction so people like me have no choice. I challenge you Sir, how many foreign /american autos do you own? Please tell the truth.
with respect your bud, Keith
kcram - Pickups Host
I did respond to your post. Your host felt like it may offend you. He isn't concerned that yourself or the nissan salseman on this forum might be offending others.
I did name the vehicles owned by me, my wife,son, & daughter. I added info you could use for comparison of other vehicles. Yes, I'll agree with the host.........some things may have offended you........But it was info you could use & based on things you said< I felt that you needed to hear. Maybe if you ask your host politely he'll e-mail it to you
P.S. We are not 'buds'.
Thanks for listening.
Keith
kcram - Pickups Host
Toyota has artifically modified (increased) the residual value to drastically lower monthly rates. WHY? Because when the brand new Tundra hits the ground in August, no one will give the old model a second look. The new Tundra is a larger truck that is promised to be very similar in appearance to the outrageous show version and have capacity up to 1 ton. Wait to see this jewel before buying and possibly living with regret for not waiting to see the new release in less than two months time.
http://www.edmunds.com/future/2007/toyota/tundra/100392461/preview.html
If you havn't noticed most of the kinks in producing a new car is having kinks. I don't remember any new car not having problems.
The brakes, fuel gauge, differential, and front windows are warrented, Nissan will extend the warranty if the problem persists. In my opinion the ford 150, is a great truck I just think that Nissan has produced a better product for todays buyers.
I use my truck for HVAC. I put about 2500 to 3000 miles monthly on it. The trucks great. The motor is bullet proof, and I bet it will outlast any American made motor, without modifications.
mondo
They should fire the designers/engineers now if they havent' already...i love my f150 but the new one is a disaster ... ford went backwards in some areas (like putting the jack and other stuff on the floor where I store things, making the bed rails so high you need a ladder to reach anything, etc.), missed the boat on others (180 degree folding doors, cargo management, power, ride quality, etc) and got a few things right (style, interior look, exterior looks)...
Overall, I say the titan wins hands down without even starting a quality discussion...i'm afraid to buy the new f150 because of the vibration problems...I asked the ford dealer how that was going...he said it was fixed...but didn't know what the solution was!!! At least with the titan we know the brake problem is manageable...that's my view folks for what its worth.
So ford will discount themselves into oblivion...they have no other choice...and now they have let the imports take their biggest market...yup, there are die hards but even they will fall...all i say is: don't believe me, drive the titan...I was thoroughly impressed.