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"the only reason they werent used widely 50 years ago is because of the cost and metallurgical technology."
Thank you, you just reinforced my above reference. Your caught up again.
"so what you are saying is that you would rather have 120 year old technology under the hood than 5 year old technology? "
Didn't you just say "the only reason they werent used widely 50 years ago", so how can it now be 5 year old technology ?
I didn't say anything relating to 120 year old technology (horse and carriage you mean?). I was stating something known in the engineering industry, and as to why a manufacturer would prefer one, over another. It's JUST a preference, don't get all wound up over it....
Yes, aluminum engines and especially heads have been sucessfully used for decades but, ALL of those 200,000 mile stories are cast iron engines.(heads and all)
Aluminum engine blocks have the advantage of weight but the disadvantage of manufacturing cost. The strength of an aluminium block is more determined by design execution than just comparing the material. Aluminum used in other components, however, might have a distinct disadvantage with respect to strength. For engine blocks and cylinder heads, corrosion is more an acute problem than rusting in iron components.
Iron has the advantage of cost and manufacturing ease. It obviously has the disadvantage of weight, but by and large that is the only real significant disadvantage in engine components. Iron blocks generally suffer less torsion twisting compared to aluminum versions of the same configuration. Some aluminum blocks use steel bulkheads cast into critical areas to control axial and non-axial bending.
Unfortunately, aluminum does not conduct heat as evenly as ductile materials. Heat transfer rate is approximately 30% less than iron or steel.
The bottom line is that both metals are excellent materials for specific automotive purposes each possessing unique qualities.
Dusty
I refer you to post #110 in "Nissan Titan: Problems and solutions"
A few posts back I mentioned the possible problems associated with too light construction and speculated that the doors might not fit after a few years of heavy use. Now we hear of Titans coming from the factory that way. There's nothing wrong with trimming the fat but you've got to be carefull not to cut muscle too!
Them that knows the workin of them truks wont buy one of them puny ones now
Good luck on this one now
Good luck on this one now.
Must say, I agree with you on this point. I remember the into of the Miata - my boss paid about 20% over sticker on the "gottahaveitnomatterwhatthecost" deal.
When the PT Cruiser was introduced, I really wanted one for my business to use. But when I saw the add-on stickers, I passed. I just won't pay over sticker for anything, don't need it that badly. And now look at them! Huge discounts are available now. But, since everybody has one now, I don't want one anymore at any price.
Oh, c'mon, you know M/T always chooses the newest and most revolutionary stuff to make "car of the year", and they don't have a clue about quality at that point. The Pinto & Vega were both completely revolutionary for US product at the time, and deserved the recognition. Of course, nobody knew that the Vega engine had a 12,000 mile lifespan or that the Pinto would be a fireball if rear ended at 70mph by an Impala at that point, so I can't blame them.
Ant;
I just wanted to say that you pretty much delivered a "knock out" blow of information regarding the extra weight and it's worthyness that the F150 carries. Thanks for describing why the '04 F150, in my opinion was the truck to buy.
goog job
The redesigned Ford F-150 earned the top spot as the most popular pickup with shoppers on MSN Autos for the second quarter of 2004. The F-150 was also the fifth most popular vehicle overall for the same time period.
The Toyota Tacoma, a consistently popular compact pickup, was second with shoppers for the second quarter of the year. A sporty truck with nostalgic styling, the all-new Chevrolet SSR was third on the list.
The list of the ten most popular pickups on MSN Autos is based on visits to the site's vehicle research pages during the second quarter, April through June, of the year. Here is the complete list:
1. Ford F-150
Ford's half-ton pickup line is redesigned for 2004 with a stronger, bolder look and five distinct versions: XL, STX, XLT, FX4 and Lariat, each with unique styling. Regular Cab and SuperCab versions are six inches longer and the Regular Cab adds rear-hinged panels to access behind-seat storage. The complete F-Series line has been the best-selling truck in America for 26 straight years and the best-selling vehicle overall for 21 years.
2. Toyota Tacoma
The Tacoma is in its sixth generation and is now available in Regular Cab, extended Xtracab and 4-door Double Cab configurations. For 2004 Vehicle Stability Control is available as an option on PreRunner and 4-wheel-drive trims with V6 engines. The current Tacoma was designed in the U.S. and is built in the New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. factory in Fremont, Calif.
3. Chevrolet SSR
The SSR is a sporty two-seat pickup that takes its styling cues from Chevrolet trucks of the 1940s, but includes a thoroughly modern power-retractable hardtop for open-air driving. Powered by a 300-horsepower version of the legendary small-block Chevy V8, the SSR design features large flared fenders and a wide stance, punctuated by 19-inch wheels and tires at the front and 20-inch meats at the rear.
4. Ford Ranger
Another popular compact truck with MSN shoppers, the Ranger's updates for 2004 include a raised power dome hood, a nostril grille with horizontal bars on 2WD trims, a honeycomb grille on 4WD trims, a new front valance, a rally gauge cluster, and Ford-style steering wheel.
5. Dodge Ram 1500
The Ram 1500 was redesigned with bolder, distinctive Dodge styling for 2002, and the famous HEMI name returned to the line late in 2003 with the 345-horsepower 5.7-liter HEMI Magnum engine. For 2004 the Laramie adds a chrome grille surround, a chrome billet grille center, chrome moldings, silver interior trim, and a unique leather seat design with contrasting colors.
6. Chevrolet Silverado 1500
The Silverado replaced Chevrolet's C/K pickup line with all-new styling for 1999. For 2004 a new half-ton 1500 Crew Cab is added. All Silverado 1500 trims now include cruise control, power door locks, a chrome bumper and an AM/FM/CD audio system.
7. Chevrolet Colorado
The Colorado is Chevrolet's all-new midsize pickup that replaces the S-10 for 2004. The Colorado is larger and stronger than the S-10 and offers Regular Cab, Extended Cab and Crew Cab versions. Power comes from two new engines: the Vortec 2800 inline 4-cylinder and the Vortec 3500 inline 5-cylinder, both derived from the Vortec 4200 inline 6-cylinder.
8. Dodge Dakota
The midsize Dakota continues to be popular, with a Stampede package offered for 2004 including monochromatic front and rear fascia moldings, ground-effect side moldings, 16-inch aluminum wheels, wheel flares and a rear stabilizer bar. The new 2005 Dakota is due this fall with a bigger, bolder look, following the design direction of the Ram.
9. Toyota Tundra
Toyota's full-size Tundra received updated styling for 2003 and the Stepside Access Cab was added. The Tundra Double Cab debuts for 2004. This year Toyota focused on rear-seat comfort—a rear-seat DVD entertainment system is offered. The Tundra Double Cab features one of the longest beds available for a double cab half-ton truck.
10. Nissan Titan
The first full-size pickup from Nissan, the 2004 Titan offers a fresh alternative in the category. Titan features bold styling with available King Cab and Crew Cab trims, powered by a 305-horsepower 5.6-liter V8 with a 5-speed automatic transmission. A unique feature is a factory-installed Utili-track tie-down system in the bed. The Titan was conceived, developed and engineered primarily in North America and is produced at Nissan's new facility in Canton, Mississippi.
does Motor Trend have a website listing all their car of the year awards? I'd be interested to see how many of them (hind sight) turned out to be decent vehicles of their time vs. fireball, engine siezing junkers just a few years later.
wasn't a 'K' car from Chrysler crowned once by MT?
the list goes on.
funny, too...the honda accord has NEVER been MTCOY. its one of the most successful, reliable, long-lasting vehicles ever put on the road.
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Large Truck: Nissan Titan
In what has to be called a surprising upset victory, the all-new Nissan Titan edged out the redesigned Ford F-150 for top honors in this fiercely fought category. The Titan's burly V8, massive interior and innovative features helped it squeak out a victory by just 1 percent of the vote (27 percent vs. 26 percent). Such a tight margin of victory shows that Ford's revamped half-ton is still a popular pickup. With its slick interior, numerous body styles and smooth ride, there's still plenty of fight left in the Ford. Further back in the pack were the Toyota Tundra (15 percent) and Chevrolet Avalanche (11 percent), two trucks that prove there's always a market for specialty trucks. Rounding out the list were the Dodge Ram (8 percent), Cadillac EXT (7 percent) and Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra twins with 6 percent.
the f150 is the best selling vehicle in the world. this is not in dispute. but volume has nothing to do with the truck itself. is a kia rio better than a porsche 911 gt3? according to your logic, it is.
;-)
Edmunds most popular article is inaccurate.
Compare F150 vs Titan (same class Truck)
The better selling vehicals equates to a more popular (better) vehical for consumers. FORD F150 wins.
Comparing a 911 to Kia (you must be smoking the funny stuff). Need to get into same perspective in vehicals. Thats like comparing F350 to a Titan (NONE)....
second, im not smoking the funny stuff. i simply used YOUR reasoning to point out that its ignorant to assume that volume equals quality.
want to know who smokes the funny stuff? look in the mirror. YOU arfe the one that said it.
FYI, I drive a Dodge truck, 74% US and canadian parts, 20% Mexican.
This World War I Dodge Brother's half-ton Army truck had a body built by the Budd Co. It rode on a 114-inch wheelbase chassis and was powered by the famous Dodge Brothers 212 cubic inch 35 horsepower four cylinder engine. (John Zentmyer)
From the very beginning Dodge cars sold exceedingly well. The Dodge brothers positioned their car up market from Ford's Model T. It was bigger, had more features, and cost more. Even though many of their satisfied customers begged them to, the brothers adamantly refused to offer a light-duty truck simply because they couldn't meet the red hot demand for automobiles. Late in World War I when the government asked they readily agreed to supply almost 20,000 half-ton chassis cowls, cargo trucks, light repair trucks, and ambulances.
All you people need to get back to your history books and American culture. Get with the program on what a domestic vehical and where the name orginated. Be a loyal American. Buy Dodge, Ford and Chev....
I sure what buying American means. But someone of you are misguided souls that take things for granted.
I don't care that some parts are built elsewhere.
I don't care that a foreign truck is built in Mississippi.....
I care about the heritage and roots where these vehicals were invented, the United States....If you do not believe in my value set, then you are bottom feeders look up to me....
so you want to reward people who died decades ago? sorry, but your post makes no sense. i should buy a ford, dodge, or chevy even though i think another vehicle is superior and fits my needs better?
you are more ignorant than i thought. try taking the chaw out of your mouth and putting it in your overall bib before you try again...bubba.
I looked at one time, now I've forgotten...but I remember that the only truly foreign assembly in the Titan was the 5 speed automatic transmission is made in Japan, the engine is made in Tennesee, and most everything else is also made in Mississippi and USA.
The big difference though, is that Titan is not union made, not UAW made, which to my way of thinking is a PLUS.
That was the spin, here's the story... The reason Nissan built the truck plant in the U.S. is because there's a 25% import trade tarriff that applies to any foreign owned truck being produced in another country. This tariff was initiated many MANY years ago to protect american jobs. Hence, it makes sense to build the factory in the U.S. not only because of the tariff placed upon the vehicle, but because N.A. will probably be the only market these vehicles can cater to. That's common sense.
Toyota is also building their trunk plant in Texas for their next generation line of trucks.
Don
American means: General Motors' GMC, Saturn, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile; Ford's Mercury, Lincoln and Ford brands, and Chrysler's Dodge, Jeep and Chrysler brands.
(UnAmerican) Foreign means: Everything else.
Spell check this, ignoramous....
Thank You NAFTA !.....Bye Bye to more US and Canadian jobs.................
Just what does it mean to be American? Pledging alegance to huge multi-national OR FORIGN OWNED companies?
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plant in Ca. That plant is UAW staffed BTW.....
Metro/Suzuki clones are/were Canadian assembled.
Union ???????????
Saturn is a GM wholly owned venture. UAW staffed. Nissan has never had anything to do with Saturn.
I have pretty well narrowed it down to a new f-150 or Titan.
The whole patriotic American thing is lost on me to be quite honest. They are both built here in the great USA. (In fact last time we bought American (Chevy Suburban) we were a bit suprised it was built in Mexico!)
The F-150 has the edge because the Lariat is built in the Kansas City area (would love to support my community).
The Titan is a big bang for the buck. Options like stability control and side airbags are features that I would like to have.
I, honestly prefer the ride and handling of the FORD but the engine drivertrain is lacking when compared to the 5.6 Endurance.
The Titan seems to have more than it's fair share of teething problem. And this is the biggest sticking point for me so far.
I may wait it out until October and see how incentives play out.
all-in-all, some of everything comes from all 4 plants.
By the way, why is everyone so grumpy on this board.
I wish that the truck manufactures would hurry up and get satelite radio as a factory option.
The Titan gets bashed from everyone about its dash. Looking at both interiors the Lariat would get the nod from me but I dont see anything wrong with the Titans Layout. Both seem to be great trucks. I dont get the American vs unamerican stuff either. This is a capitalistic country. Money and consumers make it go round. Competition forces changes in the status quo. If you are not building a reliable product then your competition will leave you behind. The merger between Chrysler and Benz seems to be going well. Everywhere I go I see a 300 (which has many Benz parts in it) driving by. That is one sweet looking ride.