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Please only post purchases made in Canada and in Cdn dollars.
Or post the price you paid if you don't know Dealer Cost.
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2011 Golf 5 dr Wagon TDI
Comfortline 6 MT MSRP is 26875.
Destination 1365.
28240.
+ 100. A/C excise tax
+ other taxes
If there appear to be few results, then feel free to post pricing on gas engine also, but make sure you specify the engine.
Trying to find out just what kind of discount can be had on the TDI.
In Cda, for 2011, the TDI is only available in the Golf 5 dr wagon.
Diesel cars are considered more expensive to maintain. Unlike earlier diesel which had no turbo nor high pressure injection, modern ones are much more "sensitive".
For instance, they are much less tolerant to bad quality diesel. Filling-up in a supermarket (10% cheaper than in branded gas station in France) is not advised for a modern diesel, according to my dealer.
On the contrary, a gas engine is relatively simple and not that demanding.
As Diesel is about %15 cheaper than gas in this country and that this car is intended for 140K Miles, the extra investment over gas will be recoupped in the long term.
We subscribed for an all-inclusive warranty and repair over a 6 -year period. Maintenance costs will be therefore set without surprise. With a regular maintenance and good quality oil, there is no reason this car could not reach 200K miles without major issue.
On a side note, delivery of the car has been delayed to the beginning of february. This makes a delivery lead time of more than 3 months
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Increasingly, more gas-engine cars will have turbos and higher-pressure fuel injection for better fuel economy and performance. So maintenance and repair costs will equalize, if indeed gas engines were more expensive. Diesels are not more complicated, the main complexity is with pollution control devices.
In the US diesel has been about 10% more expensive at the pumps, but the cost per mile for TDIs is still much less. Golf TDIs come with more features and equipment as standard equipment compared to the gassers, but if you could equalize the equipment then the TDI engine itself adds about $2000. This higher value increases over time; the resale value of TDIs holds up better than comparable gas-engine models.
Lastly, TDIs make more sense if you drive more miles. If you only drive 10k-15k miles a year, then no matter what you drive it won't consume that much fuel. But if you drive 20k-50k miles a year, then a TDI can be the best investment you every make.
I suspect we will eventually see more diesel choices in NA. For example, why we can't have the Polo here is beyond me. They are on the hybrid, and full battery kick. But no one seems to care that their efficiency goes down the farther north you live, and plummets in freezing climates.
Like i always tell anyone who asks me what to buy if both engines are available, and they drive many miles or pull heavy loads often...if gasoline was a superior fuel with superior advantages, then railroad engines, heavy trucks and even city buses would all still use gas.
The previous passat ordered as new took about 6 month to come. It seems a majority of German cars sold in Europe are ordered this way. I think this is because of the wealth of options.
If one is not demanding in terms of colors or options, then one can buy an available car from the lot. But the options set we required (auto tranny + leather) is seldomly available on this class of car. Therefore, we need to place order.
> why we can't have the Polo here is beyond me
Actually, the top of the line Polo cost in Europe about 25K Euros, that easily exceeds 30K USD. Margins are tighter on small cars and the Euro is expensive, so there is no business case for US market to import Germany made Polos.
Basically, the Polo is a small Golf, so I assume tooling costs are close for both models. I speculate that duplicating the tooling in order to manufacture it in Mexico may not be considered as profitable.
I also think a reasonably priced Polo could make a hit in the US market with the latest TSI motors (I think TDI motors would be too expensive). One good option would be to build it in the future VW US plant. I don't see it coming soon, as I already have doubts about the profitability of the Honda Fit, the toyota Yaris or the Mazda 2 in this side of the pond.
In other words, supermarket gas station are much busier than the average brand gas station. It would make sense to consider, all things being equal, that gas bought from a busier station would be more secure. It is claimed however that oil companies follow stricter standards and quality control procedures. Other claims are that some better additives are mixed in the petrol while Supermarkets would be a step behind in that matter. This is a long debate here. But I keep in mind what you say in case I am lucky enough to travel to North America.
>Lastly, TDIs make more sense if you drive more miles
The "break even point" between Diesel or Gas is also considered at around
10K miles (15k km). Given that Diesel is more expensive in the US and that diesel car command a large premium, I am surprised by how close the figure you quote is to France's.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q2/2009_volkswagen_polo-first_drive_re- view
the Polo was starting at the equivalent of $17,000 in Germany.
And according to this: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/08q4/2010_volkswagen_golf_rabbit-second_- drive
The Golf starts at the equivalent of $22,500...and that's with a 79 HP, 1.4L engine.
I don't even mention this totally underpowered version as there is close to zero chance such a model would sell in the US. And base trim may not even include aircon.
The most ridiculous is that people still buy this...
Is the 160HP 1.4 TSI version selling in the US ? This is both a potent and fuel saving engine. Much better than the V5
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/der-grosse-auto-bild-wintertest-1032041.html
In this winter test, the Golf wins a comparison with the Opel Astra and the Prius (in German).
Basically burns as little diesel as the Prius burns gas but outhandles the prius by a wide margin.
Also outhandles the heavier and thirstier astra.
:shades: TY
From what I've heard, typical fuel economy for the 2.5-liter gas engine is in the 25-28 mpg range. Fuel economy with the current 2.0-liter TDI engine can be in the 38-42 mpg range. So with the gasser. about 350-400 gallons of fuel every 10k miles; with the TDI, somewhere around 250 gallons. Do the calculations yourself, using AAA fuel price numbers for your state; or make an estimate of what you think will happen to fuel prices in the future.
The more you drive, the more sense a TDI makes. The higher fuel prices go, the more sense a TDI makes. Also, if fuel prices go higher, then TDI resale and trade-in values will go higher.
If you would consider the TDI, I highly recommend taking both on the very route you plan to drive everyday. You will see that the TDI will hill climb and have a lot more torque for passing on a hill also. If you haven't tried one, you will be totally amazed. If your concern is no handy diesel refueling stns close by, I would simply keep one or two 5 gal jerry cans of fuel at home. Just one can would let you make over 3 daily commutes.
The TDI would give over 50! mpg on flatter terrain and in the summer. So fort hills and including the winter fuel differences, I'd say you would still get real world of over 40 mpg easily. Keep in mind too that in A/C weather, again the torque of the TDI will not fall prey to the load on the engine with A/C nearly as much as with the gas engine.
The ONLY caution I have with the new 'clean diesels' are the measures they have taken to get them to pass the enviro regs here. They are laden down with more electronics and pre and after burner type tech that someday will cost money to fix. Give me a 2006 TDI anyday.
I still think if i did your miles, I'd still go with the TDI and plan to keep the car for 200k mi or even a bit more. Say 10 years? They have among the best rust corrosion resistance so I think that if you maintained the car with proper oil changes etc (and if you live a top a hill, I would idle the turbo down for about one minute before shutting off) I think you could surpass your 130k mi tradein interval by a fair bit. I am almost inclined to say you could probably dbl it. And the fuel savings over 260k mi would be approx 3800 gallons fewer that you would burn. I used 42 on the TDI and 26 on the 2.5. I penalized the FE of the 2.5 cuz of the hills and A/C in the hills. Fact is, over 260k mi. I actually think you would avg more than 42 with the TDI. My friend averaged 56 mpg with his old 86 Jetta TDsl over the LIFE of the car. (over 300k mi when he traded it on a new 2011 Golf wgn). He never required turbo work. Never had any internal engine parts replaced except for timing belts and waterpumps. Replaced the glowplugs only once. It did have a bad diesel injector pump leak which was the deciding factor to finally retire the car. He also hadn't fixed the A/C for the last few years and really missed that in the summer. He regularly got 65 mpg hwy and 50 strictly city, in the summer using A/C with a manual tran. No mountains tho, but lots of city stop and go. So subtract 20% cuz if u are in the USA, your gal is smaller.
Owners who would be best to shy away from owning a diesel would be ones who live in town and only drive a few miles to work or the store. Short trips, especially in the winter, is what will prematurely kill a diesel. You guys tho are excellent candidates if you ask me.
I would rather see the 105HP 1.2 TSI compete with non turbocharged 1.6 engines. Thanks to this little wonder, the Polo can go around 9.5 sec 0-62mph with the DSG. I think the Honda Fit, the Fiesta and the Yaris will need above 10sec for the same run.
And VW announce good fuel mileage figures.
While smooth-running, the 2.5 is not known for good fuel efficiency. It has been dropped from the catalog in many European countries (in France at least)
Regarding reliablility, VW gas engines are pretty much without trouble. Our company had several Passats and we have yet to see issues with electronics.
VW reputation for reliability is average here. Looking at Autobild articles is pretty interesting as they test a lot of vehicules in the long-term over 62.000 miles. Regretfully only in German.
I added rubber floor mats and cargo bay mat for an extra $90 and reminded them to remove any kind of logo and stickers.
Here is a rendering of the chosen color
I realize this is the very first time I ordered such an expensive car and that I never test drove any such model, nor was I passenger in any beforehand. Basically, I chose upon brand reputation, specs sheet data and car magazine test reports. Hope I made a sensible choice.
Well, I always do it for used cars, naturally. But for this, it was not possible to quickly find a model with this combination of motor and transmission. Moreover, I won't be the only one driving it. As we had a good driving experience with the Passat, I speculated it wouldn't be much worse with the Golf.
You are right with the details that may not show up in a test report, but I wouldn't be able to test at night time and couldn't go very far/quick in traffic jammed Paris. Getting a good picture of the car would have been difficult anyhow.
My purchasing experience wasn't great all in all. Sales rep was either busy with other customers or on the phone and had little education on services that surround the car (and maybe the car itself). We did some talk through email and my threats to cancel the order if deadlines were not met were just enough to avoid moss gathering on the stone. In short I wanted to reduce interaction with sales rep to the strict necessary.
Dealer was near company office and we couldn't afford to go any far when servicing the car.
I plan to subscribe to a warranty extension to 6 years. This has to be done with third party companies as VW extension goes to max 5 years and 100K miles (160K Km) . Kia offers 7 year /150K km warranty on its new models.
I feel VW and many European brands are too complacent and don't seriously encompass where the real competition is going from
At first sight, I wasn't much impressed. After all, other makes (Renault, Opel, Peugeot, Ford, even Fiat..) improved their interior styling and material quality to the point of being pretty competitive with VW.
However, after fiddling with the buttons, starting to use basic functions, things look pretty well sorted out. Openings open in a damped and silent fashion, devices look like well screwed together.
The dash, while remaining very conventional (or we could say bland) is pretty functional.
I paired my mobile phone through Bluetooth without a sweat, which is not so bad as it is my first time using bluetooth on a phone and on a car.
The NAV system looks like nice and well integrated, but I didn't use it yet.
On the road back home, the car is riding in a mich firmer manner than my previous soft sprung Citroen C3. Road noise is well kept in check, while the engine roar is very muted. It wouldn't be easy form me to guess I was driving a diesel.
The DSG changes speeds in a very seamless fashion. If I don't look at RPM or gear number, I just can't feel which gear I am driving. The feeling is pretty close to that of a CVT (I had a Honda fit with CVT before)
the box basically keeps engine RPM between 1200 and 1600 RPM, when driving smoothly. It is like just going above tickover.
All this induce me into thinking I am going slowly, which is not the case.
As I don't feel the speed, much less than my previous car, it is very easy to go over the speed limits without noticing.
On my short trip with 1/3rd downtown, 1/3rd urban highways, 1/3rd 2-lane roads, the computer displayed an average fuel consumption of 4.8 L/100KM (49 mpg) which is allegedly lower than my previous (smaller, lighter and 35HP less powerful) C3. I will keep a careful monitor on the fuel mileages.
My first stop for Fueling. Filled 47 liters (12.4 USGal) for a total price of Eur 65 (about USD90) , yes, that is nearly $2 a liter...
Back home..
My confidence in damped openings starts after they are about 4 or 5 years old and when it is -30 out. Still though, is encouraging when they start out nice and fluid and strong.
I empathize with your pain at the pumps. In Canada, though we are not near $2/litre yet. But we did have $1.40 in places 2 years ago during a lot of storm activity/damage. Today with the higher oil prices of late we are $1.15+ gas. Diesel, add 10 to 15 cents.
Your mileage isn't that bad given it is brand new and tight. What size is it over there? We get the 2.0 here now. Up from the 1.9 earlier TDI's. Seems to me they went 2 litre when they went "green or clean diesels" when they started with the urea routine. Do they do that there? In gas jobs they offer the old iron block 8 valve 2.0 and the 2.5 five cylinder and 2.0 turbo in some trims or models. I am not totally up to speed with the 2011 Golf and Jetta lineup here.
I am happy to be still considered young , as I did not much get annoyed by the red color. For some reason, I even found the red somewhat soothing to the eye.
I agree though switching colors would be nice to fit all tastes.
>My confidence in damped openings starts after they are about 4 or 5 years old
Of course, time will tell.
>Today with the higher oil prices of late we are $1.15+ gas. Diesel, add 10 to 15 cents.
Oil barrel is only about $100 a barrel. There is no reason prices would not reach the levels of summer 2008 and even above, as I firmly believe this is a durable trend. The crisis just interrupted this trend, but not anymore imho.
I expect a liter to raise up to Eur 2. China car market is still a double digit increase, and Russia/Brazil/India are doing strong
>What size is it over there?
I guess you are talking about engine size, right ? this is the recent 1.6 Liter TDI. while much more silent than the 1.9 and despite having the same torque and HP on paper, this engine is not considered as powerful as the old one.
If you were thinking about tire size, ours are 205X16R55. More than enough for this
The version I have is called Bluemotion. It comes with automatic start stop and a few rolling friction reduction measures to increase fuel mileage (by about 10% on paper). CO2 emissions are 109g/km on the European -and unrealistic- benchmark.
Start/stop is working quite well in fact. When engine is hot enough (and some other criteria are met) , it just switches off 2 seconds after I depress the brake pedal. I restarts as soon as I release the pedal. the process seems pretty straightforward and the slight delay is acceptable when the traffic lights turns green .
There is very litte shake, although i feel the whole process more than I hear it.
I am not sure about the urea. I think it may come with new emission standards in 2014
If such a figure confirm, then the golf would be thriftier than my previous 70hp smaller and lighter Citroen C3, which is good news.
I noticed a small noise seemingly coming from somewhere in the top of the dashboard
This noise appears only when engine is maintained between 1100 and 1300 RPM and is pretty low. it looks like something is not properly tighten, which distracts from an overall good quality feel. I will mention this in a next service.
Inside accomodation is pretty generous for a car this size
whereas rear boot size is fair with a straightforward shape. I regret there is no full size spare wheel. the tailpipe pollution control system is taking more accomodation in this low-emission model than with non bluemotion models
I really enjoy the front seats for their comfort and supportiveness. Even in tight turns, my body is firmly kept in place, which strengthens the feeling of safety.
The steering wheel feels precise and confidence building too. it is covered with a matt and soft leather that feels very good when held. Steering feels qite light, but nothing that gest in the way of the driving pleasure.
Engine feels strong enough for the task. Thanks to a linear torque curve and tall gearing (35 MPH / 1000 RPM in 7th speed) , it feels a very competent highway cruiser. I don't understand why this engine isn't offered in the US. It isn't any noisier than the 4 cyl 2.0 gas engine of my mothers Nissan station wagon.
I tried the navigation a few times. It works OK but does not list speedtraps. A dedicated device will be needed, as the impression of speed is so remote that we end up at extra legal speed without even realizing.
Breaking -in supposedly ends in after about 400 miles. Even during this critical period, I can drive pretty much without concern, as the engine doesn't need to struggle to put this car in motion
Overall consumption was 5.22 L per 100 km (45.06 MPG) .
Boar computer indicated 4.8 L/100 overall (49 MPG ).
I can not explain the difference. Maybe the engine breaking in is not calculated by the computer. All trips were basically commuting trips of 22 miles with an equal mix of city, highways and smaller roads.
I also filled the tank to the utmost level. I speculate I put 1/2 or 1 liter more than in the first time I went to the station.
I haven't been driving slow though, as I routinely go over posted speed limits by 10-15 mph. For a larger and more powerful car than my previous one, getting exactly the same fuel economy figures isn't that bad.
I worked your mpg out to be 54. I guess you used the US 3.78 litre. I'm used to your 4.54609 litre/gal
Eat your heart out hybrids. And you can drive it like you stole it..
Overall fuel consumption is showing 4.9 L/100 km, which represents about 48 mpg. Hope the real numbers will match this forecasted figure.
I'm considering a 2-dr, 2.5, auto, but am annoyed at the paucity of available options.....and as little as I drive, it would take forever to recoup the premium on the TDI (not even counting higher financing costs).
I read one post on another site where an owner had the dealer install the 17" Goal alloy wheels, which would be nice, but I'm more interested in leatherette seats.
Is it possible for a dealer to order as an accessory (or replacement part, whatever works), then replace 2.5 standard cloth seats with leatherette seats? More importantly, perhaps someone with VW experience could tell me if this is even a cost-effective idea.
Thanks!
I came across the same problem here in my country
One way is to find a leather smith (not sure about the exact name in English) who would be able to cover the seats with stitched leather. Good smiths can make the seat look as neat as factory made ones, but the price will be dear (aka 3000 USD for a full set).
Leatherette would be 20% cheaper as most of the cost is that of workmanship.
Second way if you mean to replace the full seat is to buy new ones with Recaro. Excellent seats but leaves the problem of the rear bench unanswered.
I also lament the lack of upholstery choice here. a real shame
Fuel consumption is steady around 5.2 L/100 , which is around 45 mpg
OBC shows 5.0L /100 so still a bit too optimistic, but the gap shortens.
I press the right pedal a bit more and reach 80 mph at times.
I briefly went into triple digit and pressed hard to see how the engine was doing. The growl is special. Not nice nor unpleasant, but just like in between (what I would view as) a typical diesel and a gas engine.
The torque is present, although not as generously as with the 2.0.
Overall, a satisfying experience.
I biefly drove my previous car just before selling it on private ad. At first I thought there was something wrong with it. Engine was noisy, auto trans morbidly slow, suspension soft, generous in NVH... But the buyer did not seemed as shocked as I felt.
In fact, my old car was normal. I just took the comfort offered by the Golf as granted.
Calling the difference night and day would be an exaggeration , but not a total lie.
I am confused. I tried to express with US measures, while I think 4.54 L a gallon is imperial, right ?
I wish we all used the same measures to avoid those ridiculous conversions.
You might be able to find the seats you want at a salvage yard, as any Golf, Jetta, or GTI from the same A5 platform has the same seat frame dimensions. So you might focus on GTIs or Jetta GLI's in your search for the right seats and trim.
The new jetta is nearly as big as the previous gen Passat. Imho, It is another class already.
It is true that buying the Golf is like paying more to get less sheet metal. This may also come because the Golf has a higher perceived image than the Jetta in this country.
Your question makes sense
I drove it myself for a 400-mile return trip to the Futuroscope Theme park, 200 miles south west of Paris. The drive was enjoyable as I borrowed a GPS radar locator which allowed me to be more relaxed with speed limits.
This is not a detector. it is a GPS device that taps on a database filled by other drivers who press a button every time they come across a mobile speed trap. Works not bad.
The trip was done with the wife and two small children. This was an enjoyable experience with little drama. The engine goes effortless into triple digit. Most of the time, cruise control was set at 90, but on the stretch back , I followed a flow of cars going faster.
Despite this, fuel economy remained above 40 mpg which I think is reasonable.
Wind and road noise remained at reasonable, which made driving enjoyable. The downside is the lack of rear seat reclinment which forced the kids to sleep like in the economy class of an airliner.
The GPS worked well, although I went across an intersection which was not yet mapped in this 6-month old car.
This car gets dirty very quickly. Front rims get dark and dust collects quickly. Regretfully, not time to wash it weekly like in the Edmunds' fleet.
I guess I won't give any update until Fall, because I will mostly use my scooter to commute to work until weather becomes colder. Should anyone have question, pls don't hesitate to ask
http://www.autobild.de/bilder/vorschau-vw-golf-vii-2012--989651.html
According to what I understand of the article, should be built on an all-new platform which promises better rigidity, less weight, less wind resistance, more passenger and luggage accomodation.
The promised motor mix is very optimistic with all kinds of technologies from ICE to pure electric, going through different hybrid technologies and stages.
A diesel pushing up to 220 HP would be in the plans, while revised versions of DSG would be available. An automated gearbox would help entry level engines yield 10% more mileage.
as an appetizer, a Youtube link would provide some teaser information on the future design
in the upper right section, we see some kind of body beign worked on. This may be some alternative design from which the future 2012 model was chosen, or not.
Highly-HIGHLY unlikely. While there are many cars which sport slightly better EPA numbers for Automatic versions, in the real world I've yet to see any (as in not even a single one) anecdotal reports where the Automatic equipped cars are even able to match their Manual equipped siblings. My SWAG based upon literally hundreds of reports is that the Automatic will deliver two or even three fewer miles per gallon in all driving environments compared to a Manual version of the Golf.
I had always thought of them as pretty distinct models-- the Golf as a stylish, affordable, semi-upscale 2 or 4 door hatch, and the GTI as a sportier, 2-door hatch. Now the GTI is available as a 4 door (when did that happen? :confuse: ) and it almost seems to make sense to think of the GTI as higher trim levels of the Golf.
Are there more fundamental differences that I am missing? Are the suspensions radically different?
I'll be in the market for a 4-door hatchback, and hadn't even considered the GTI, not realizing it had a 4 door option.
Virtually every vehicle manufacturer has a "souped up" version of one of its base models.... VW is no different.
VW used to offer the R32... (250HP!) which was the most powerful Gulf ever - far beyond what the GTI offered... but real performance costs $$ and not many young folks could afford it.