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  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    Thanks for the advise. I have already attempted emptying my glovebox and it does not help. I know its somewhere in the dash because when I push down near where the window and dash meet the buzz/rattle goes away. The noise is present about 75% of the time.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    I didn't know you had isolated the rattle. If you have isolated it, you can prove it exists to the dealer and is not normal. Then it's the dealer's problem....
  • alohaboy1alohaboy1 Posts: 1
    Hi,
    I'm taking my 2000 Golf GLS in for a 50000 mile checkup tomorrow (according to the dealer I was supposed to have the engine tuned at 40000) and I was wondering if there is anything extra I should expect to pay for. They already told me it is going to cost $600. I did get an extended warrenty though, so hopefully anything they find will be covered. Thank goodness, since I've had to replace the window regulators three times, an O2 sensor a couple of months ago, and various other things.
    Also, one of the hinges on my glovebox has snapped. Does anyone know about how much it would cost to replace the glovebox door? I'd appreciate any help.
    Thanks.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    VW recommends changing the brake fluid every two years regardless of mileage. Certainly at 50,000 miles you have put some wear and tear on the car. Since the brake fluid change is not based on mileage, the cost is not usually included in the 40,000 mile service. Mine cost an additional $80. BTW, you now have 50,000 miles on the original spark plugs - how is the car running? I notice a 2 mpg increase in gas mileage after my 40,000 mile tuneup. From 30 to 32 mpg with a stick shift.

    The glove box repair may be included under your extended warranty, if it is a VW Platinum warranty. Check.

    Also, check the website for dealers near you and see if there are any "web" discount coupons. I got 10% off on my 40,000 mile service that way.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    I have brought my car to 2 different dealers and one says that they cannot find the rattle and therefore won't try anymore and the other worked on it several times and never was able find the rattle. At both dealers, they had to disassemble my dash and in doing so, one dealer caused more damage. They either did not put the dash back together correctly or left screws and screw caps off the car. therefore, after I got home and looked at their "workmanship" I found these faults. My Point: Dealers tend to cause more problems than they fix. I understand rattles are sometimes hard to find, but there is no excuse for not puting the dash back togther correctly. Once they never installed the light switch section correctly so it pulled out of the dash. Therefore I am living with my rattle for the remainder of my lease. My car runs great otherwise.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Agreed. When I was much younger, I thought nothing of having repair persons replace spark plugs (fresh spark plugs are better, right?) but now I am more than happy to let the plugs go the maximum permitted mileage, and for that matter to keep hands off everything not strictly required, for precisely the reason you discuss.

    This problem is certainly not limited to VW dealers. An old girl friend had to have her Honda's oil pan replaced because the threads were stripped on the drain plug. The dealer told her the drain plug washer had been reused (it is the notorious "crush once to seal" "never use again" Honda washer) and hence overtightened to make a seal and hence stripped ... and yet that dealer was the only one that worked on the car.

    It doesn't help that mechanics are pressured to do work quicker than "book time" because that is where the real profit is...there is no incentive to work better, in the allotted time. In fact, and excellent mechanic who always took "book time" to do a first class job would quickly be replaced by a mediocre mechanic who finished more quickly. Customers are always billed full "book time" regardless of actual job time...
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    My dash used to rattle in my 02 Jetta at the base of the windshield, by the left roof pillar. They replaced the dashboard clips on the car when it was fairly new, and that stopped most of the problem. However, there was a slight rattle there up until the day the car was totalled from the fire.
  • Was there a brush fire? House fire? Accident make it catch fire? or mechanical/electrical error causing it to catch fire? Just curious.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    My 2001 Golf with a normally aspirated 2.0 liter engine, 43,000 miles, started acting funny yesterday.

    While accelerating, the power would cut out, then cut back in, as though the ignition module had momentarily failed, or as though there had been a total interruption in fuel.

    I just had it serviced - the major 40,000 mile tune up, on schedule.

    The circumstances were these: drove 200 miles to the mountains, climbed to about 8,000 feet. Hot dry day. Parked car for half an hour, drove 2 miles, parked car again, this time for one hour, drove two blocks, parked car in a side sloping parking ramp (tilted to right).

    Started up car without difficulty, while trying to drive out of town the car would stumble and lurch and power cut out. I was worried it would get more severe and I would not make it home.

    The problem lessened and went away after about an hour of driving. This morning the car was perfectly normal.

    The second time I parked was in the hot sun. The third time was in the covered parking ramp.

    Anybody run into problems like this? I am thinking: ignition module or computer problem (but no check engine light at any time); clogged fuel filter; vapor lock; space aliens.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Is invoice a good price for a 2003 Golf GLS 4-door 5-seed TDI with 300 miles on it?

    Wouls you wait for a 2004

    Apparently they have had it at this dealer since March and the 300 miles are test drive miles. Do test drive miles matter on a diesel? Could it affect breakin?

    Waht should one watch or be concerned about for a diesel? What are typical VW service costsand maintenance intervals
  • splitloadsplitload Posts: 3
    I am thinking seriously of purchasing a Golf TDI but I just completed a 350 mile trip in a Ford Escort (approx same size) and it left a lot to be desired in the comfort area, considering I could expect 5-600 miles between fill-ups, is the ride smooth enough to go 500 miles without needing a crowbar and liberal quantities of medical care to get out and walk after such a trip in a Golf?
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Someone set it on fire. They tried to steal it and weren't successful, so they burned it from the inside. $14K in damages, it was a total loss.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Having driven a Golf GLS 4-door for about 1000 miles myself, as well as an Escort for about 200 miles, I can tell you these cars differ GREATLY in all aspects except exterior size. Go test drive a Golf and see for yourself. Good luck!
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    I have heard that VW reliability is really poor. It seems people brag about going hundreds of miles or even a few thousand without problems. Are Hondas and Toyotas really 10 times more reliable?

    Also was thinking about the turbo diesel fro mileage, but the maintenace costs are very high.

    Synthetic oil every $5,000 miles at $100 /$150 every other time. The timing belt replacement at 40,000 miles $600 dollars plus the $150 so the maintenance costs are

    5K $100 $100
    10K $150 $250
    15K $100 $350
    20K $150 $500
    25K $100 $600
    30K $150 $750
    35K $100 $850
    40K $750 $1600
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Oil change is every 10,000 miles after the first oil change at 5,000 miles. Cost of oil change is $6.00 for filter and $13.00 for synthetic oil plus labor. More expensive oil such as Mobil One Delvac is $20. $19.00 every 10,000 miles is cheap, cheap, cheap! Timing belt change is every 100,000 miles regardless of transmission.
    Warranty is 5 years 50,000 miles bumper to bumper. That's two years and 14,000 miles longer than Toyota or Honda warranty.

    VW has more problems on average than Honda or Toyota vehicles. It is a fact. Statistically you are likely to have 1 problem on a Toyota and 2 problems on a VW in initial ownership.
    I'm on my third VW TDI. I've had zero powertrain problems. Did have problem with window regulators that was covered under warranty.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    but it was from the mouth of the VW Service Manager. So was the service manager not telling me the truth??
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    The VW has a 4yr 50K mile warranty.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    To correct my error with warranty - 4 yr 50K bumper to bumper and 5 year 60K powertrain. Started with 2002 models. Cowboy - the service manager is stating excessive maintenance and excessive prices. Some dealers are great and some are terrible. This is true with all makes. Local Toyota dealer has excessive prices and recommends excessive maint..
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    hello, i have been thinking about byeing a 2003 golf gls with auto trans but was concerned about previouse problems with this car such as windows falling into door andmajor oil consumption issues regarding the 2.0 engine in the gls have these issues been resolved with the 2003 golf gls or are they still haveing problems. i also have been considering civic, elantra, and toyota corolla but i really want the good warrantythat vw or hyundai provides so it really comes down to a elantra gt or a golf gls.any help here would be appreciated. thanx
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Edmunds' now has details on the 2005 Volkswagen Golf in their Future Vehicle section. Check it out and let us know what you think.

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  • I've had a VW Golf GL TDI for 3 years as a commuter car. My costs? Oil changes are $20, but I provide my own Mobil Delvac 1 ($25 a gallon), and I change it every 7500 miles. I had to replace some kind of a temperature sensor at 58,000 miles for about $150. Brake job, along with a replacement bushing for the front anti-sway bar, about $900, at 73,000 miles (yeah, I know that the brake job was high, but I wanted VW parts, and the service has been excellent at Manchester VW). That's it.

    I have gotten as high as 65 mpg driving the speed limit, but most of the time it is 48 to 50 mpg at 80 mph.

    Find another car that will cost so little and be so reliable.
  • cmr530icmr530i Posts: 278
    I am seriously considering the 2003 2dr Golf GL with auto trans as a get-around-town car. The safety features the car offers are unmatched in similarly priced vehicles, which is a huge plus in my book. Through the research that I've done, the Golf holds up well in all areas except reliability. The 2003 issue of Consumer Reports lists trouble spots for the 2001 Golf as fuel, electrical, body integrity, power equipment, and body hardware. (No data exists for the 2002 model year, per CR.) My question to Golf owners is this: Would you choose a Golf again given the reliability experience that you have had? Any responses are greatly appreciated.
    P.S. I have a quote on a 2003 Golf GL 2dr auto with monsoon option for $15363. What do you think? Is this a good deal?

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  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    Well, I own a '01 Toyota Echo. It has the same interior room as the Golf. My 72k mile average is 43 MPG. Cost of maintenance to date, other than oil changes every 7.5k miles is $ 100 for a transmission drain and fill (it's an automatic) and a drain and fill of the radiator fluid. Brakes are still at 60%, tires at 70% (Michelin) and absolutely nothing has needed repair.

    The ride is not as good as a Golf and it doesn't have ABS. My cost was $ 12000. Try to beat that.

    I don't think it is possible to recoup the price difference through better mileage.

    I admit that we are comparing apples to oranges but when reliability and cost are brought up the Echo is the better deal by far.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    You can't compare the two. The Echo got blown around on the highway. It doesn't have half the safety features of the Golf. It is an excellent "off freeway" car and well suited for Japan, not America.

    My mileage in an automatic wasn't as advertised. My mileage with a stick in the Golf beats the rating.
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    Well, in Canada the projected sales for 2003-2004 are 50000 units. Canada is in North America, isn't it? Those numbers would translate into 500k units in the USA, IF people would buy Echos in the same numbers as in Canada.

    And as I said, comparing both cars is like comparing apples and oranges.

    I've owned three different VW Golf's and 1 Passat and I know the Echo is in a different league.

    But just because you like the Golf more doesn't mean the Echo can be completely dismissed as an ECONOMY car, with outstanding mileage and minimal repairs, much cheaper to operate than any Golf.

    Which car do I prefer to drive? The Golf, no question.

    My motives where simply to save money (it's going into my mortgage) and to minimize worries and have low maintenance. (And I am a miser).

    I'm saving over $ 100 per month (Canadian) compared to a Golf Diesel which I chose not to buy as my main commuter car. When I get frustrated at being ignored by larger cars on the road I take my Chevrolet K1500 and drive it to work for a week or two. :-)
  • scottdudescottdude Posts: 177
    I've also added the Golf/Jetta to my shopping list but have been quite surprised at all the complaints on the internet. I thought VW's were reliable! But then again, I never owned one.

    I will say this: I see a ton of Jetta's on the road here in Central Florida, which is surprising since we only have 2 or 3 VW dealers (vs. the 8 or 9 Ford dealers). So someone is buying these cars! I think I will test drive one and go from there. If I really like it, I might buy one and take comfort in the longer warrantry.

    I'd be curious as well to hear from current owners about the state of VW as a company. Are they building lemons?

    Also, does VW ever offer rebates or other incentives? They are definitely higher priced than the other cars I'm looking at. I'm trying to justify if they're worth it.
  • cmr530icmr530i Posts: 278
    Reliability is the only issue holding me back on the Golf. Otherwise it is the perfect vehicle for me. I will be looking into the Corolla tomorrow as Toyota is offering a great lease deal on them. Good luck in your search.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    I will give you my honest opinion and experience with VW:

    I have owned my 2002 Jetta 2.0 since May of 2002. Not once has my Jetta stranded me or not started. Here are the minor issues I have had:
    - Rattles in dash and rear passenger door speaker.
    - Rattle from a heat shield near oil pan (2 dealer visits to fix).
    -Front driver seat rocks (fixed by dealer) and now my passenger seat is doing the same thing. I will get this looked at during my next 20K service...along with my dash rattle/buzzing.

    I really do enjoy my Jetta and will seriously consider a new one when my lease expires in the next year and a half. One needs to remember that allot of people come to the internet to complain, not to say how great their car is.

    I know several people with Jetta's and they have had great luck with their's. Also, as you mentioned, the warranty beats EVERYTHING in it's class. That should give you peace of mind.

    Good luck with your shopping!!
  • I have a 2000 1.8t GLS Golf. Within the first 7000 miles, the steering fluid leaked out, the tensioner belt broke, the air conditioner belt broke, the 02 sensor died, another sensor died, the windows fell into the door, and the brake light bulb burnt out. I can't remember what else has happened, but every time I talk badly about my car, another problem occurs. The service dept. says they have more problems with the Jettas and Beatles than the Golfs, so I certainly wouldn't consider one of those. Before I owned the Golf, I drove a Tercel. The car never had a single problem, but it didn't have any pickup whatsoever--couldn't even pass a city bus. Despite all these problems, I haven't traded the car in because I can't find anything in the same price range that handles as well or that has as many safety features. The Echo and Civic weigh 500 lbs less than a Golf-- Wouldn't want to be in either if hit by a 5000 lb SUV. (Of course, I don't want to be in a Golf either.)
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