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We are located in Ontario - it's just like BC but without the ocean, mountains, fresh air, great skiing...
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Thanks for the suggestion.
I checked archives in that discussion and did not find anything, but I will post there and try my luck.
Audi says the tire tread depth must be within 4/32" of each other. I meet this restriction.
Porsche Cayenne requires the tire tread to be within 30% of each other on same axle I would be over that limit at 40%.
Subaru has a system that sends power to all wheels all of the time and requires not more than 1/4" difference in the circumference of any of the 4 tires. This translates to no more than 1.25/32" of an inch difference in tread depth. I don't see how anyone meets this strict a tolerance with 4 matched tires over their lifetime.
If I understand correctly, the Hyundai electronic AWD system runs in FWD until slippage is detected in the front wheels. That would not occur at this time of year. I have placed the new tire on the rear axle which is freewheeling.
The new tire has 4/32" more tread depth than the existing. That results in about 3/4" difference in the tire circumference, so the new tire will rotate about 6 times less than the existing over a mile. I think there must be at least that much variation in rotation of 4 identical tires over a mile of cornering.
Given all of this, I am hoping for the best.
I for one, would just go ahead and replace all 4 tires, as you will otherwise, always have one tire with a different level of wear from the other 3. Or at the very least, get 2 new tires to keep the wear level constant on the same axle.
I own a 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe, I bought it new with all season tires. I just recently moved to north Brampton and I'm wondering if all seasons are going to cut it this year. Should I spend the money and get winter tires and if so where would I get the best price?
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Artisan1
I live in Barrie, and I don't believe all season tires ever cut it in the winter. My wife just purchased a 2008 SF this summer, and I just purchased a winter tire and rim package for it. It's a Limited, so it had 18" rims - these would be very expensive, so I went down to 16" rims and tires. I ended up purchasing Firestone Winterforce UV tires in a 235/70R16 size with steel rims from Active Green + Ross. I shopped around for weeks, but could not beat their price. Selection isn't great in that size, so you will be limited. The Michelin Latitude X-Ice would have been my first choice, but these would be have cost nearly $300 more for the set.
Good luck!
I have my santa fe scheduled for the winter maintenance pkg with the dealer for the 6th of Nov. I was thinking they may have winter tires there and could install them at the shop, but I guess I would be paying an arm and a leg from them.
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Thanks for the information.
My wife has a 2007 GLS AWD (Brockville Onatario) and we are just about to get winter tires as well.
Are you saying that the Firestone tires are traditional snow tires, eg. standard rubber compound with aggressive tread pattern?
Another option is to put the base model tire size on which is a P235/70R16. Our winter tire package special price is $1300.00 plus tax and installation. Total price with everything is $1520.98. For this price you will get 4 alloy mags with 4 Bridgestone blizzak dmz-3 tires. We only have one set of tires left and my supplier of this tire tells me they are sold out from Bridgestone. The other option is off brand tire (Cooper) which I have found a small number left in stock. This package would cost $1238.48 total price installed.
I told him to forget about it.
As you might have guessed, I'm female and I have no intention of spending anymore than 500.00 for the set and installation. Tires are over priced...don't they all come off a cookie cutter assembly line?
Seeing as I work from my home most of the time, I'll pick non-blizzard and non-ice days to go anywhere and stick with my all seasons.
Thanks All for your comments.
It has the stock duelers on it. I live in Minnesota, and have never been stuck with
these tires. I don't like the duelers, and will not buy another set of them. They get around good in the snow , but make too much noise on dry pavement. When its time, they will be replaced with goodrich tires.
Pi x 16 dia = 50.272"
Pi x 18 dia = 56.556"
The actual tire outer edge circumference is bigger, so the speed difference is greater, but to illustrate a point, it is sufficient. I can't be bothered to go out and measure tires.
The rims are a very tight fit, they do not leave much clearance between the brake caliper and the rim. But....it should work well to keep a build up of debris clear as well as protect the ever popular siezeing rear brake calipers on the rear of our Santas.
Your service rep or dealer to whom you have spoken doesnt seem to have a clue about his product....these MSG boards are perfect for us DIY type people.
Happy trails everyone.
Let me know how your experience was with the Kumhos.
We have a hyundai 2007 and it has 25000miles and we have to replace all four tires
do to wear on the inside and outside of the tire.
A wheel alighment has been done by the dealer back in July of 2007.
Garvey Hyundai-Plattsburgh,ny
how often do you rotate? sounds like the angle of the tire caster/camber was changed on the alignment and they just wear fast OR you may have had them underinflated....
It really bothers me, because I always take care of the cars.
I had a 1996 Ford explorer and Goodyear tires-Wrangler and they lasted 55000
miles and replaced them with same until 146000 miles.
The brakes I make sure the dealer cleans them because of the long winters and salt.
The other thing that bothers us, is we live in the mountains and it does not have the Umph! on the hills.
We primarily use our Santa Fe for city/local driving, with occasional long-distance highway trips thrown in. We only got about 24K out of the Bridgestones before they showed significant tread wear. We probably should have rotated the tires more frequently, but I am not sure it would have made much of a difference.
We had a consistent wear pattern all around. The tires simply wore out. Unimpressive tread life.
The snow has already started falling here in Denver, and I'll be darned if I am going to drive up I-70 into the Rocky Mountains for a ski trip on a set of all-season tires that are on their last legs.
So I ordered replacements this past weekend. Based on this thread, and based on the feedback I have seen on TireRack.com, I purchased the Kumhos. I've owned Kumho tires before, and have been reasonably happy with them. We'll see how they perform.
Now, at 55,000 miles, the balance of the original tires are ready to be replaced. I think 55,000 miles is reasonable for new car stock tire life.
No adverse affect to the AWD drive train has been experienced.
I have been happy with the performance and service life of the original tires, so I will now install 4 new Bridgestone Dueller tires.
I am very happy to have deferred the 4 tire replacement for 20,000 miles for the cost of 1 new tire.
Thanks for your interest and advise.
Regards,
Jonathan
Thanks for the additional information.
From the research I did, if this was a Subaru I would have replaced all 4 tires because they specify no greater than 2/32" difference in tread depth.
However, Hyundai and other manufacturers have different AWD systems and less stringent, or no, information.
Since Hyundai provides no guidance (or warnings), I decided to replace only 1 tire to take advantage of the remaining life of the other three tires to save $$.
However, here are the cost calculations for the two different scenarios:
1. What I did: Replace 1 tire at 35,000 miles @ $200, then replace all tires at 55,000 mi @ $800, which I now know will have to be replaced again at 110,000 miles. Total cost of $1,000 for 110,000 miles.
2. Replace all 4 tires at 35,000 miles @ $800. Based on the now known 55,000 miles lifespan, these would be replaced again at 90,000 miles. To get to 110,000 miles so we can compare apples with apples, the cost of the additional 20,000 miles would be $800/55,000 x20,000 = $290. So the total cost to 110,000 miles in this case is $1090.
I think you are right.
If I had known then that my insurance premium to insure that I would not have a problem with the AWD system was the $90 difference, I think I would have paid it happily and replaced all 4 tires.
Hopefully, I have saved $90 with no ill effects, but who knows?
If I had known then what I know now, I probably would not be the person I am now.
Thanks again.
Regards,
Jonathan
Tire Rack shaves tires if your local shop can't do it.
There's a good FAQ at that link about matching tires on 4WD/AWD vehicles.
Driving to Watertown New York to buy a set of 4 tires seems attractive at first. However, when you calculate the 22% difference between the Canadian and US dollar, I would have to find a tire at $164 installed, balanced and including taxes to equal the $200 Canadian price here.
Once you add the cost (time and money) of the trip to Watertown crossing the boarder twice, and lying at the boarder on the return trip when asked "did you purchase or receive anything in the United States" (I don't know what the duty is on tires purchased in the States but I believe there is one), and the loss of any warranty, it just seems simpler to buy locally.
The article on the Tire Rack site about replacing tires on 4WD/AWD was very useful.
Thanks everyone.
Or, find out what rear wheel spins easiest.. install tire and smoke them a few times !
These newer AWD aren't like the old Jeep 4WD systems. There is lots of give.
I would put any single newer tire up front. More give up there as there is a 40/60 transfer. Or is it the other way around ? ?
I had Nokian on my pilot and drove it in blizzard conditions even high int mountains of Colorado. replaced them with Bridgestone HL and it has been wight knuckle drive in storms.very un happy with Bridgestone tires
we have just purchased a new Santa Fe GlS and the Bridgestone on the are not so hot
the next will be Nokian :shades:
I am looking at these posts because I have a GLS I want to put aftermarket wheels on. your calculations are interesting on downsizing to 16" wheels, which I have. You have not considered the tires on these rims. The 16" have 70 aspect ratio tires and the 18" have 60 aspect ratio. The outside diameter between these two tire sizes is virtually identical. Tire rotation speed will be the same.
I shopped for the Santa Fe for awhile and checked out wheel sizes, ride comfort, road noise, handling etc with several dealers. They were all consistent on saying the higher the sidewall the more comfort and quiet, while the lower the sidewall, the more handling but more harshness too. There is simply more rubber on the sidewall to cushion and insulate the road from the wheel rim. The 16" wheel with 70 aspect ratio is the same size outside diameter as the 18" with 60 aspect ratio but has a lot more rubber between the wheel and the road. you have to make the choice, max comfort, or max style.
Thanks.
As far as the correct pressure to run, the sticker on the door pillar is king. I'm sure you all remember the Ford Explorer- Firestone(Bridgestone) lawsuit.
If your low tire pressure light comes on (looks like an explanation point), it means one or more of your tires is more than 3lbs off. If it's low, driving the car, which causes the air in the tire to warm and expand, may cause the light to go off.
If the light that says "TPMS" comes on, that means the control module has lost communication with one or more of the pressure-sensors which live inside the tires.
Thanks!
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ZL