All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback
Stopped by a Subie dealer over the weekend to test drive the 09 Forester and the friendly sales rep causally metioned that a new 2010 Legacy/Outbook may show up in showrooms early summer 09, and among the changes will be windowsils and possibly a 5-speed automatic. He also thought the new Forester might get a 5-speed automatic in a year or two. Wondering if anyone else has heard these, or any other such rumors?
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Subaru showed a Legacy concept at the Detroit show in January. The production car is reportedly very close to the concept.
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As to transmissions, it will have an all-new CVT; not sure if the 5-speed auto will remain, but my guess is yes. The H6 will be the 3.6L unit from the Tribeca. Don't know if it will put out more power?
Bob
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Phil
Yeah, it's 3+ inches wider and higher, and with a 3 inch longer wheelbase—all to make the interior more spacious. I understand it has 4 inches more rear legroom.
To me, Subaru made most if not all the right moves here. It will surely appeal to a larger audience, which is what they're looking to do.
Bob
In fact some say the Impreza actually had more rear leg room. Not any more.
Strange times.
Krzys
PS I wonder if this is the same car the rest of the world will see.
Bob
I wonder how many of you will buy the 2010 Legacy GT which will available only in MT (manual transmission) and how many of you will wait until the AT shows up.
Thank you for your time.
Bob
http://www.fhi.co.jp/contents/pdf_52026.pdf
I'm not a big fan of anything copcat... and it appears this was styled by either Chinese or Korean "designers" who cannot seem to come out with anything without it looking like a collaberation of other Japanese cars.
There IS NOTHING distinctive about it. Even the back bumper looks exactly like the back bumper on a 2005 Accord.
I see Infinity G35, Lexus taillights, even a hint of Chevy Cobalt! But I don't see anything distinctive or bold.
But I'm sure it will sell like crazy anyway.
Is it perfect, probably not, but I want nav, bluetooth, better stereo and a little cushier ride now that I am over the hill but still active!
Bob
I don't pretend to know. At this point, I can only hope. Maybe by the Fourth of July?
Also, the Outback turbo wagon has been dropped.
Bob
What you call "distinctive", critics have called quirky or even weird.
They mainstreamed the Forester and it basically saved them from the economic slump.
Should we be surprised they took a similar strategy with the Legacy and Outback? They'd be crazy not to. Forester sales have nearly doubled, and it's far less distinctive than it used to be.
The Outback looks better... but I don't like the busy rear.
First the bad...
The side mirrors were not break-aways and the turn signals are gone, though we were not sure if these were production or not.
The interior design is a little busy, I thought the 05-09 was actually a bit cleaner (I feel the same way about the previous BMW 3 series, better than the new 3).
The moonroof on the Outback is now normal - no double, not oversized either. Get a Forester if you want a cool roof.
Now the likes...
The back seat is limo-like and offers about double the space. Night and day. Not only is legroom far better, but it's also wider, and might actually accomodate 3 across now.
The roof rack with the hidden cross bars in the Outback are absolutely TRICK. Coolest roof rack I've ever seen. Not just form, like, say, the XTerra, but also function. They hold 150 lbs (XTerra's cool aluminum one holds just 75), up from 100 lbs on the old Outback. They are easy to use, aerodynamic when not in use, and save you a bunch from having to buy cross bars since no cars some with them any more.
The Legacy GT Limited had a USB port in the console, very cool. You can play music from a flash drive, or from an iPod and even charge that iPod. Welcome to the 21st century, Subaru audio. Bummer that the Outback w/Premium pkg did not get it - an error IMHO.
Exterior looks great in person. Infiniti G37 but in a good way, and I doubt Subaru will mind comparison with a luxury nameplate. Profile especially, but even the stacked headlights remind me of other Inifitis.
6 speed manual in the Legacy GT, woo-hoo!
Now build a wagon Subaru...
Anyone have any ideas what pricing will be on these? Think the GT will come in about $28k? A guy can hope I guess?
Bob
The Outback is more refined and upscale, and the 2010 is probably sized closer to the Azera.
They were open at the NY Auto Show, which is cool because they had just debuted the week prior.
The stop-by brought back memories of why I didn't buy that Forester 2 years ago - the Telescopic Steering Wheel is not available unless you get the Turbo. So I bought the Highlander and have been wallowing around corners ever since. Maybe Subaru will make that tile/tele standard for 2010 in the Forester as well.
Dealer quotes of August or September availability are quoting the full manufacturing ramp-up and official launch dates when Subaru begins mainstream TV and print marketing.
For sure, there will be 2010's coming onto dealer lots by June.
Prices and full specifications are expected to be released in mid-May. I don't think anyone will have any info on colors and internal color combos until that time.
Elliot
They did for the 2006 Tribeca launch. You could get free satellite radio for a year, or $500 in accessories, IIRC. Something like that.
But...they had no such offer for the 2009 Forester.
Thing is - the Forester was a hit and the Tribeca was not, so they'll probably mimic the sales model of the Forester, so I doubt you'll see any offers.
On a popular car, they come in the form of pre-ordered MSRP deals. Which is great when it's the PT Cruiser in '01, for instance. They were going for $3 over sticker, and people who'd put their money down early made out.
In this market, you can even haggle on new model, but the best deals should come in the old cars.
As far as the Tribeca thing; that car's been a dog in the market since they first came out. So anything is possible, but I doubt there'll be deals on the 2010's early on.
-Mathias
The new 3.6 H6 looks like a bargain.
As to the NAVI, you now get a rear camera, the Harmon/Kardon audio and Bluetooth included for the same price (I think?) of the old NAVI.
Bob
I like the stand-alone moonroof option. No more forking out $4000 for a Limited package to get one.
Nice to see they continue pricing the Premium package as a bargain ($1000) yet the Limited package is still grossly overpriced. $4000 and it does NOT include a moonroof. Ouch.
I'd want a Premium with a moonroof, just that. Heated cloth plus a M/R, my fave combo. 2.5i Premium or 3.6R Premium.
Wow, you can get a 3.6R for the price of a 2.5i Limited. Gimme the H6 any day.
I looked at the interior based on the debut showroom photos and it looked a bit dark and hard looking.
Plastics are comparable, though. I compared them back-to-back at the NY Auto Show. The dash may be slightly harder to the touch, but it doesn't look much different from a visual standpoint.
http://www.jconline.com/article/20090530/BUSINESS/905300329
helicopter shaftI mean Moonroof. You'll fall in love.Nice to see folding mirrors make an appearance. Pre-production cars lacked those.
Maybe like the Impreza sunroof deletion, if myself and others complain about it enough, they'll bring it back. :shades:
Subaru usually gets the perfect packaging late in the model cycle. Look at the Sports XT models on the previous Forester.
They are cool, withtheir folding action, but I just don't want to buy all new racks fos bikes, skis etc... Especially after I spend all theat $$ on anew car! :shades: