2011 Hyundai Sonata

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  • roadie22roadie22 Member Posts: 6
    edited March 2010
    fragilemn,
    I see when you click on the little ? mark it says it deletes the HD radio however in the main description it also says "Getting from point A to point B just got easier and more fun with the nav system with high resolution touch-screen display, HD radio technology and Infinity preimium speakers with a subwoofer and external amplifier."

    I'm not the argumentative type, and can only speak to what I've read - see my post from several messages ago...Clearly there is some contradicting informaton regarding this topic. Perhaps in the very near future, nav units with HD will start showing up on lots.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    The Nav option on the Limited deletes HD radio but does *not* delete the iPod input, as some early versions of the manual/paperwork says. No Sonatas come with a hard drive, but I'm not sure why you'd really want one. Buy an iPod.
  • busterbritbusterbrit Member Posts: 27
    Well I decided on the Sonata 2011 silver w/ black leather. It just felt better to me than the Altima. Especially the front driver seat. The black leather was hotter than the grey when I tested it but the black looked better and I was told will last longer with kids (creasing, tearing, dirt).

    I have 2 dealers I'm working with. Both have the silver with grey. Hopefully they can find the silver with black. Hopefully I'm driving home in my new car today. :)
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  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    Got a question: did they screw your front plate into the bumper? I don't think mine has holes for a front plate.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    What you saw is consistent also with the Sonata brochure, which states that HD radio is "late availability" with the Limited's nav package.
  • fattychalupafattychalupa Member Posts: 3
    Does anyone know the frequency of SE models with the navigation package. I'm wondering if they are hard to find at dealers
  • busterbritbusterbrit Member Posts: 27
    I'm so incredibly indecisive. I was going to get the radiant silver with black interior but my friend (who owned black leather) said he would never do that again. He thinks it gets to hot. But I think the black looks better to match the black molding.

    Has anyone owned both grey and black? Which one holds up better? Will the black be that much hotter? Any other thoughts?

    I'm planning on tinting the windows.

    help....
  • mikemartinmikemartin Member Posts: 205
    Thanks for posting this night time drive video of your 2011 Limited:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xecGb6P0kro&feature=related

    It seems like even the Limited has a much firmer ride than the 2010 Sonata, or am I wrong in that assumption?

    I do realize this was a rough stretch of roadway, but the video makes it seem as if there's very little absorption of the rough stuff.

    Thanks for any input.
  • longhaullonghaul Member Posts: 17
    syitalian25 -- Tint looks sweet!
  • mikemartinmikemartin Member Posts: 205
    Thanks for posting this night time drive video of your 2011 Limited:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xecGb6P0kro&feature=related

    It seems like even the Limited has a much firmer ride than the 2010 Sonata, or am I wrong in that assumption?

    I do realize this was a rough stretch of roadway, but the video makes it seem as if there's very little absorption of the rough stuff.

    Thanks for any input.

    I POSTED THE ABOVE BUT WANTED TO ADD:

    I'm really not trying to sound too critical, but aside from what seems like a very firm suspension, does anyone else think that the road noise in the video (a limited) is excessive?

    I've checked out driving videos of the Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion and Camry, and they all seemed much, much quieter than the Sonata?

    Am I mistaken? Anyone?
  • napsfannapsfan Member Posts: 23
    I'm really not trying to sound too critical, but aside from what seems like a very firm suspension, does anyone else think that the road noise in the video (a limited) is excessive?

    I haven't driven those other models this year, so don't really have great comparisons to offer. But will say -- After 2 weeks and quite a few miles, the Limited's ride seems nice and quiet to me, espeically when cruising. And I'm very pleased with the handling. (I did test drive an SE, but for my tastes, the tradeoffs in the Limited were better suited to me.) I've been absoutely loving the Limited thus far. (including the Bluetooth/USB/HD audio -- great stuff)

    Ultimately you'll of course just have to drive one for yourself -- but I really don't think roadnoise will stop anyone from buying the Sonata. Seems quiet.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    They are nonexistent at this point.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    Even in the SE I was just thinking the other day of how quiet the car really was. Maybe not 100% as quiet as the Malibu I have driven, but no worse than an Accord and definitely not loud enough to be annoying. Don't expect it to be as refined as a Lexus, but it's still as quiet as most of the competitors.
  • sjwrsjwr Member Posts: 8
    hmmm...... judging from the posts ..... it looks like someone here with a name starting with the letter 'm' is trying very hard to put down the new Sonata while putting on a poor disguise of a 2011 Hyundai Sonata shopper...

    Not sure why the board moderator isn't doing enough to stop this con-artist & obvious hater from posting on this board? Disappointing indeed.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    I believe this is the same poster who has been identified as an anti-Hyundai troll on the Hyundai message boards.

    He never posts anything there but links to negative reviews and thinly veiled shots at their newest models, usually concerning suspensions or road noise.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    While I think anyone trashing Hyundai instead of giving them a fair shot is ignorant, I think he should have a right to disagree. But since 90% of the reviews are positive and out of 33 owner reviews the new Sonata has a 9.9 on the Edmunds ratings here, I don't think anyone will be stupid enough to listen to a few negative opinions amount the sea of positive ones.
  • pcgeek86pcgeek86 Member Posts: 72
    It's not at all a loud car, and I wouldn't even come close to considering the road noise "excessive." Yes, the engine is noisier than the 6-cyl I used to have, but at cruising speed on the highway, it's at low enough RPMs, that you don't hear it.

    I will say that my Limited edition has a pretty sporty ride (and I like it). My old 2006 Sonata had a smoother ride, but I felt less in control of the car, than I do with my new one. Your preference for this is going to inherently be personal, so you'll probably need to drive one again to gauge how comfortable you are with it.

    Overall, I refuse to purchase domestic brand vehicles, so it's easy to eliminate the Chevys and Fords. I don't know enough about Toyota, but as for Honda, the Accord doesn't include enough features for the price, and its styling also looks significantly less sporty. I'm not here to convince you to buy a Sonata, but I'm pretty sure you'd enjoy one if you got it! :)

    Cheers,
    Trevor
  • meikmeik Member Posts: 63
    edited March 2010
    I would appreciate if he is complaining about his "own" 2011 Sonata rather than "I heard....", "It seems .....". In that case, we could share our thought about our 2011 Sonata.

    Of course if he is in the market to buy new car soon and 2011 Sonata is on his list, he should concern about all negative facts as well. But I don't think this is the case.
  • darkhelmet16darkhelmet16 Member Posts: 13
    Although I agree with others' assessments of your posts here as uniformly negative (which leaves me puzzled as to why you hang around here - have you nothing better to do than trash cars you apparently don't own or have any interest in owning?), I do think it should be pointed out that the noise you hear in that video probably has much more to do with the microphone on the camera he's using and the mount it's attached to than with road noise experienced by the driver and passengers.

    I'm not saying it's not a good camera, a good mount, or whatever, I'm just saying that it's not a shock-mounted studio microphone that can be expected to provide perfect accuracy. Between the normal hiss of a standard camera condenser mic and the vibration of a car on the road (which is certainly not unique to the Sonata, nor is it a bad thing; it keeps you feeling connected to the road, not floating above it) traveling through a multi-joint articulating camera mount, you're bound to have some hiss, rattle and thump that has nothing to do with how quiet the car is to the driver's ear.

    Personally, what I noticed the most is how much I like the blue accents (especially on the steering wheel), the impressively small turning radius and the smooth engine note even during quick acceleration - probably the smoothest I've heard in a 4-cylinder, definitely head and shoulders above my girlfriend's 2006 Corolla... not that that's too surprising... :P
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    I'm guessing he is compensated in some way, shape or form by one or more of Hyundai's competitors to put criticism of their brand out on the web.
  • targettuningtargettuning Member Posts: 1,371
    I have since gone back to the dealer in question to test drive a Sonata and asked about the spoiler I saw and was advised it was a dealer installed option...by the way it was indeed a low "raised off the deck lid painted to match" spoiler not part of the design.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    edited March 2010
    Look, the topic is not "bow down and worship the 2011 Sonata". It is a discussion about the car in general with all the good and bad. To an impartial observer who is just interested in cars, and in particular the 2011 Sonata as a possible future buy, I find some of these posts pretty pathetic.

    Moderator should ban him because he doesn't like the Sonata or maybe even Hyundai. On the other hand, should the hosts ban others that think everything is super about a car just because they bought it. How childish. If you are so insecure about your car buying choice that you can't stand someone being critical than maybe this forum is just too stressful for you to handle.

    None of these forums about individual cars are meant to be for just owners. It would be pretty boring if it was. So for all of you that get upset when someone says they don't like something about the new Sonata, I say get a life. If you don't like someone's post it's really quite easy......don't read it. If a poster gets totally out of hand with slander or calling names or something like that the hosts will step in and delete their posts. Remember there are thousands people that read these forums and don't post at all. They want to see all sides and they can look at the comments that are hateful or so biased in favor of the car that they sift them out.

    I've found after spending a lot of time on these forums that if you don't respond to a particular person they go away eventually.

    As far as the noise level in pcgeek's Limited video. Who drives with some kind of music, talk or conversation. Very few people would be my guess. I have an Infiniti SUV which is very quiet on the freeway but if I turned the radio off and recorded the road noise it would probably sound very similar to what you heard on the video. That looked like one rough road and I live in the Chicago area which is not known for it's smooth roads.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    I don't disagree with you. Many users on here have posted both positive and negative information about the car, including myself, and I am an owner.

    However, it begins to look suspicious when all you do is post negative information and bad reviews.

    This individual's post content is identical to that of a poster on the Hyundai boards. The totality of his 30-some-odd posts were about poor suspension and road noise on the Azera, Genesis and now the new Sonata, or links to reviews where he characterized mild criticism of the vehicle to "getting slammed."

    Discussion should generally be a 2-way-street. One of the exceptions to that would be if you were an owner and thought you bought a lemon, but that's not the case here.
  • herbie10herbie10 Member Posts: 13
    UPDATE.....

    I just wanted to let everyone know what the repair estimate on the car is. They determined that the front end damage was very minor only requiring the replacement of the bumper and the padding behind it. The majority of the costs will be from the air bag deployment. The totol is $7,611. Now the problem is to get the parts in. I really miss my car. I miss the stereo most of all.
  • lbg2lbg2 Member Posts: 6
    I just received a quote from Alfa on my new 2011 Sonata Limited. With the same coverage I had on my '08 Honda Accord EX, my premium will jump $124.00 over 6 months. I could not believe it jumped that much. When I called to inquire before the purchase, they told me they did not have the 2011 "codes" yet but based on a 2010 Limited, that it should not change much. Well, now it did change much! Anyone else experienced a much higher insurance premium with their purchase of the 2011?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I was wondering how the shapely, pointed front end without any semblance of a bumper would fare in a low-speed crash. I guess we are far beyond the days of big metal bumpers on springs with rubber trim that could easily survive a 5 mph impact w/o damage (e.g my 1976 Corolla). That is the price we pay for style over crash protection--not just on the Sonata, but most modern cars.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    However, it begins to look suspicious when all you do is post negative information and bad reviews.

    You know what? Anybody with a brain can see that he is just trying to stir up trouble so just ignore him. So it's suspicious. Who cares? I used to know someone that would always take the opposite view just for something to do and stir up controversary. He was a very lonely person cause people started to ignore him as they tired of his junk.

    He will either interface intelligently or go on to other forums where he can get people excited.
  • meikmeik Member Posts: 63
    I am with AmericanFamily Insurance and my payment went up by about $10/month with the exactly same coverage as I did have on 93 Honda Accord LX (Yes, I was stupid... I kept full coverage on my old car for a long time period... And plus $3/month for GAP Protection.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    If I remember the quote correctly, it went up around $12/mo. However, I was coming from an Elantra GLS to a Limited with every bell-and-whistle on the books, so I didn't see this as being very surprising.
  • bobadbobad Member Posts: 1,587
    Safety features and crash tests are tops, so I wonder why the costlier premiums?
  • lbg2lbg2 Member Posts: 6
    Alfa seemed to think it was due to the possible unavailability of parts for a brand new redesigned vehicle in the event of an accident. I still can't see the premium going up more than $20/month going from a 2008 Accord EX-L though.
  • jsmit86jsmit86 Member Posts: 116
    It's normal for collision rates on a brand new car to be somewhat higher than an older auto. Even if those rates are the same as they were in 2003, rates on the "New" car would most likely have gone up in the last few years.
  • pcgeek86pcgeek86 Member Posts: 72
    @darkhelmet16: You're absolutely right when it comes to the camera microphone, and the mount that I was using. FYI, I have a video review of the mount, which is a really good quality mount, but it does absolutely nothing for shock absorption. So yes, most of the noise is because the mount is directly attached to the vehicle (the sunroof actually), and naturally gets a lot of vibration. People's tushies are meant to absorb a lot of that, and as you have already noted, an actual passenger will not feel what the video shows :)

    Also, I'm glad you noticed the small turning radius. It does, in fact, have a very small turning radius, and is one of the first things I noticed when I test drove the car, the day I bought it. Relative to my old 2006 Sonata, it's got very nice, tight steering, and as I've said before, I feel very much in "control" of the vehicle.

    The blue accents (tastefully combined with white) are really sweet! I love the interior design of the car. Unlike many other vehicles, with less features / options, it has a tastefully complex dashboard, and plenty of buttons and other controls to keep you occupied :) I love this car!

    To anyone curious: The purpose of my videos is to show you what the car looks like while driving (as well as my own enjoyment from shooting & editing them). This is in NO WAY meant to emulate what you will actually FEEL when you are in the vehicle.

    The videos were shot with a consumer-grade camera, using its built-in microphone. Again, the camera mount has zero shock absorption. Even if it did have shock absorption, it still would be a terrible way to gauge what the car actually feels like when you're in it.

    Cheers,
    Trevor
  • pcgeek86pcgeek86 Member Posts: 72
    I just posted a new night-time driving video, which is primarily on the highway. Check it out here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcmFW6OIBmE

    You'll see the entire highway experience, including merging into traffic. Someone has commented that the angle of the video doesn't show the gauges very well, so I apologize for that in advance. It's hard to work with the camera mount that I have, because it only mounts to glass surfaces. Also, my camera does not have a very wide angle, so it's hard to get a lot in the view.

    Cheers,
    Trevor
  • joeg1joeg1 Member Posts: 18
    What quotes have folks received for the time, mileage, and deductible variants of the Hyundai Protection Plan for a 2011 Sonata?

    Thanks,
    Joe
  • midas69midas69 Member Posts: 118
    Through State Farm my rates went up about $34 per 6 month period over my 2007 Camry.

    As an aside, if you want to have some fun with your insurance agent, try this. Call them up and complain about how when you bought your car the car was worth say $30K. Now that it's 3 years old it's only worth $14K. But for some reason your insurance really hasn't gone down in those 3 years. They will go on to explain how the value of your car has very little to do with your actual rates. That's when you tell them, "That's great to hear since I just bought a new car, I assume my rates won't go up since the value of the car has almost nothing to do with the rates." The stammering you hear on the other end of the line is priceless.
  • mikemartinmikemartin Member Posts: 205
    Trevor, thanks for the constructive and very helpful response.

    I appreciate all the videos you have posted, and I now understand better than ever that the new Sonata trades of some ride comfort in exchange for better handling.

    Thanks again.
  • pcgeek86pcgeek86 Member Posts: 72
    Yeah, my State Farm insurance went way up when I upgraded from my 2006 to the 2011.

    I should have tried your little trick when I called them up! LOLOL!!!! I bet they would have been like "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ......"

    -Trevor
  • midas69midas69 Member Posts: 118
    Yeah, my State Farm insurance went way up when I upgraded from my 2006 to the 2011.

    I should have tried your little trick when I called them up! LOLOL!!!! I bet they would have been like "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ......"


    Not really a trick since I doubt it has anything to do with the final rate. But it sure is fun to listen to them hem and haw.
  • darkhelmet16darkhelmet16 Member Posts: 13
    As many others have said, your videos have been extremely helpful! I'm sold on this car - as soon as my current car needs a significant repair (the car's probably worth only $1k at this point, even as-is), I'm going to get a Limited. You said you're in the Chicago area? I'm in La Grange. Ettleson Hyundai has several 2011s, but like most dealers, still nothing with a nav unit -- not to mention the venetian red / camel color combo that I'm looking for, which (it seems) won't be in dealerships for a while yet.
  • darkhelmet16darkhelmet16 Member Posts: 13
    I know you're kidding, but for those who might actually try this and expect it to work: I work for an insurance company (not auto insurance) and that's definitely an oversimplification. There are lots of factors that go into determining insurance rates, and even though it seems to the driver that the cost of the policy should steadily decline over the life of the car, the "long-tail" nature of these kinds of insurance means that they're making actuarial guesses on how long you'll own the car and many other factors, and spreading out the change in risk over the anticipated life of the policy. Also, it seems the more we advance in automotive technology, the more difficult it is to fix anything on the car -- it becomes easier and cheaper to replace parts rather than fix them. This drives up the cost of insuring a newer car as well.
  • fushigifushigi Member Posts: 1,459
    DarkHelmet - I'm in Aurora now but used to live in La Grange Park back in the early 90s. For comparison shopping, you might consider Pugi on Ogden in Downers Grove (a tad east of Finley) and, 20 minutes further west, Gartner in Aurora (just past Route 59 on Ogden).

    While my wife's Elantra was purchased in Schaumburg, we've used both Pugi & Gartner for service with decent results. I don't know how well they fare for the sales experience, but I didn't have any problems dealing with Gartner when I test-drove a Santa Fe last summer.
    2017 Infiniti QX60 (me), 2012 Hyundai Elantra (wife)
  • midas69midas69 Member Posts: 118
    I bought mine from Loren Hyundai in Glenveiw. They beat Pugi's internet pricing by about $800.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    The dealer offered to make Bumper to Bumper 100,000 along with the powertrain for $1200 total, I didn't buy it.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    Trevor,

    Thanks for the new videos on the highway. I like the idea of some driving videos, but I watched this and was cringing at how much noise and vibration is amplified by the camera/mount. I wonder is posting these on here and Youtube is going to give lots of people the wrong impression about the car. I know we both love out Sonatas and would not want others crossing them off their consideration lists based on the ride portrayed in the videos. In reality, it is a very smooth and quiet car, the camera is like sticking a stethoscope along the wheel well or something.
  • darkhelmet16darkhelmet16 Member Posts: 13
    I've walked through the lot at Pugi and they seem to have way more VWs than Hyundais; maybe they've got more on the back lot that I'm not seeing. Either way, when I start comparison shopping I'll do my best to get all the area dealers to bid against each other -- I'm willing to be very patient for the sake of a couple hundred dollars... it'll be a lot easier when the new-model excitement dies down and multiple dealerships actually have the car I want in the colors I want.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    Something just dawned on me for you HD radio fans. The separate nav package booklet has no information on it.

    This makes me think it's never going to be included with the nav/Infinity system.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    edited March 2010
    If you total or have stolen a car that is a few years old vs. a brand spanking new Sonata, don't you think the insurance company is going to want more money to insure it?
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