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mike k
had 1st freeze last nite I can't wait for snow .
Greg
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Bob
...at 6-7pm Pacific/9-10 pm Eastern. Hope to see you there!
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-juice
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SOA is trying to offer me a free 6-ye, 80K mi extended warranty, or some money toward the purchase of a new Outback. I just had the car back in there since the check engine light came on - they replaced the air control valve. who knows? I may just try to trade it in for another car, NOT a Subaru. I am very distraught with the treatment I am receiving from SOA - I think they should GIVE me another Outback for no extra money!
Sounds to me like SoA is trying to work with you (with the extended warranty), but I understand that you'd be frustrated.
-juice
On a related note, I noticed a scratch on the rear panel, probably due to a bike--of course such repair is not under warranty and the supervisor said the scratch is so deep that the area has to be repainted.. Is there any way to hide such a scratch for now? It's not terrible but it's a new car!
O.
Cheers!
Paul
I also finally saw the new "red". In the sun it appears to have a tinge of rusty orange in it. I am not particularly fond of the new color but that's just my opinion. I have the "Winestone" and think that it makes the car look very rich. Sorry to see it go, but it may come back in a few years like it did before.
Any comments on the best hitch and rack that will not scratch?
I have had my 01 4M since May and really enjoy it. Just last week noticed some wind noise for the first time,sounded like was comming from the roof upper right corner. I would guess it to be the rack rails. Is this normal?
I also noticed someone commented on the board about a problem with the back hatch lock. I have just started having intermitten problems with the sensor showing the hatch not locked but when I check it it is. Any comments on these as well.
Thanks!
-Dave
Still, I would have thought you would be getting a lot more than a projected 35,000 miles on them.
Bob
I'm a new member on this message board.
I bought The Outback 2.5 in 99 but rarely used (only 11,000 miles)
Yesterday ,I tried to change the oil myself but found out that the dealer tightened the filter too firmly so that I can't loose with any of my tools.(Normally,I change the oil for my other two cars ..Mazda,Toyota by myself.)
Also,I bought the oil filter,according to the manual at autostore,FRAM#3593A but the diameter seems to be a little bit bigger than the current filter from the dealer ..don't know whether it can fit or not since I can not take the old one out yet.
Would someone kindly advise me on both problems since it's very inconvenience for me to go to the dealer in town.
And also,in my idea,the small job like oil change should normally be done by ourselves!
Thanks for any advice you may give.
Woody.
I bought the DrawTite at UHaul and the Yakima at our local GI Joe's, special order.
I'm assuming that you are using the metal band type wrench and it is sliding. I would suggest you go to an auto parts store or Walmart and get a "cup" type oil filter wrench. The cup type goes around and over the end of the filter. It has a pattern that matches the edges of the filter. You can then attach a ratchet (or even a breaker bar) to loosen the filter. This will only work if you haven't crushed the filter attempting to remove it.
A couple of other suggestions:
I recommend OEM (Subaru) filters. They're not much more expensive. It's also advisable to get a "crush washer" for the drain plug at that time. I too have to drive quite a bit to get to a dealer so I just pick up 2 or 3 filter/washer sets at the same time.
One thing I do is to pre-fill the oil filter. Because Subaru fiters are mounted vertically, I fill the filter up (not to the top) before I install it. This gives the engine an almost immediate flow of oil without waiting for the filter to fill up. A little overboard perhaps but it's easy to do.
Hope this helps.
Live Happy,
Chris
For a Highlander, on the other hand, one can have a rear LSD for $350, an ESC (VDC) for $900, a luxury package for about $3K, and a bigger engine for about $2K. One can mix and match what they like and be happier with the car, as opposed to the "Combo" approach. I am not looking at Highlander because I am looking for a AWD car, and Toyota stopped making the "All-Trac" cars.
I understand that Subaru is a smaller company, but I am willing to wait for a car with the options I like if they can be ordered.
I too change my own oil on our 2000 Legacy. I totally agree with Chris's comments. My research has shown that the Fram's are not very good filters. Like Chris said, you are better off to stick with the Subaru filters. Most dealership's in my area give you a filter free if you buy 3. Additionally subaruparts.com has great prices on filters and other Subaru parts.
I've used the cup type wrench that Chris mentioned and would like to say if you decide to get one of these don't buy the plastic type. They don't last very long. I recently bought a 3 prong vice grip type filter wrench which is the best wrench I've ever used. As you turn to lose the filter the vice grip gets tighter. After trying many different type of filter wrench, I highly recommend this type.
Chuck
I had a 1979 Subaru wagon but have not had one since.
I am looking to replace the 1992 Honda Prelude I bought as a single guy with a car that is sporty, fun and my wife can drive. And has room for weekend trips and jaunts to the hardware store to fix up our new house.
How is the reliability and maintenance expense on these Legacy Outbacks? Compared to a Toyota Carry or Honda Accord. In my mind, for every car purchase I make I have to ask myself -- why am I NOT buying a Honda Accord -- my gold standard in value, reliability and low maintenance cost?
The answer for me as to why I am considering this Outback is simple -- because they offer what seems to be the best wagon out there for the $$ as far as sporting feel, reliability and durability and cost of ownership goes. Those who have owned them -- do you agree? (If Honda came out with an Accord wagon again it would be tough . . . .)
Does the AWD add expense on maintenance over and above Toyotas and Hondas?
For those who have experienced Hondas, Toyotas and Subarus -- are modern Subarus in the same class as the top Japanese makes for low cost of ownership and trouble free motoring?
I'm not aware of anyone having any problems Subaru AWD systems. Once you own a AWD vehicle, nothing else will feel as good, and certainly not as secure when the weather gets bad.
The only down side is that AWD vehicles (as a group) tend to be a tad slower than non-AWD vehicles (because they're heavier and more complex), and there may be about a 1-2 mpg penalty. That's it. Certainly nothing to worry about.
Bob
Can anyone comment about the Service Dept at
Stohlman Subaru in Tysons Corner, VA?
I want to factory order a 2002 OB LTD
and prefer to get service at the same dealer that
sold me the car. A good service dept is important
to me, and I work within walking distance of Stohlman.
They say they will try to match Fitzgerald Auto Mall price (we'll see about that!)
Thanks in advance.
-Craig
Thanks for your kind advices on filter and washer,I'll certainly follow what you'd suuggested.
What's that surprised me was that I have all 3 different sizes of "cup"metal type but none was fit! the small one was too small and the medium was too big!(but this one fit the FRAM brand that I bought)
I gonna try to find the 3 prong vise grip type..
hope can find it here.
Thanks again
Woody.
Thanks!
bit
Concerning wind noise, I also experience it. It is most audible at 35 to 45 MPH. It is a low range whoosh kind of sound, sort of like you hear when a house window is slighly open during high winds. There is no leak, so it isn't a seal problem. I took off the crossbars this past weekend and will assess if the noise remains. I suspect the cross bars are disturbing the airflow at that the crossbars are the source of the noise.
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Concerning wind noise, I also experience it. It is most audible at 35 to 45 MPH. It is a low range whoosh kind of sound, sort of like you hear when a house window is slighly open during high winds. There is no leak, so it isn't a seal problem. I took off the crossbars this past weekend and will assess if the noise remains. I suspect the cross bars are disturbing the airflow at that the crossbars are the source of the noise.
I guess what I'm asking is -- have any of you out there experienced a clearly noticeable engine ping or rattle upon acceleration under light load? I'm disappointed with subaru's customer service and have given them the benefit of the doubt a few times beyond what I've been required legally to do. I would prefer to stay in an Outback too, but I'm not going to stay in my Outback with an engine rattle.
Heck, for the seats alone, you have to buy THREE option packages just to match the LL Bean: leather, power controls, and heated seats. The price for the seats to match the LL Bean's? $2100!
I really like the Highlander, but add it up yourself.
Dave: I have the OEM hitch. I've seen Hidden Hitch units and Draw Tite, and both looked fine to me. You can only carry a tongue weight of 200 lbs anyway (enough for 4 bikes). The advantage of the OEM hitch is that it tucks under the bumper nicely and does not affect the angle of departure. Plus it bolts down with 7 sturdy bolts and has a custom fit. It costs more, though.
Nowak: the AWD system is sealed and maintenance-free. Consumer Reports ranked Subaru 7th best manufacturer, ahead of all the European makes.
-juice
the finish peeling off the bumpers. I've seen this
on outbacks of my vintage and wonder how to prevent
and/or repair this. also, starting to notice some small chips out of the hood edge paint. how should I deal with this? Rust never sleeps!
thanks
A) Try to minimize exposure to enviroment (yea right). Keep the car parked out of the sun and protected from the elements as much as possible.
C) Keep em clean of bird droppings and keep them waxed.
D) Avoid exposure to temperature extremes if possible.
For the small chips try touch up paint availible at your dealership. Or if you dont want to mess with that any type of clear sealent to keep the air and mostiure out.
You also might consider the acrylic hood deflector or other front protectors. Problem with the fabric ones is that you have to keep them clean on the inside or they will rub your finish. YOu also might get different fade rates. But a full Bra would solve that bumper peeling problem!
Here's a technique that can work well with your band-type oil filter wrench (preferably the wider band - about an inch wide): remove grease/oil from the old filter, put several rubber bands (the thicker kind work best) at the base of the filter (near the gasket) - sufficient to cover the area that will be in contact with the band wrench, use the wrench slowly with increasing force - I'll bet dollars to donuts it'll come off intact. Reminds me of my first oil change on my '97 Max (which I started around 10 PM) - after draining the oil and getting ready to remove the filter, discovered that NONE of my band or cup wrenches fit that skinny little sucker. The guy across the street was still up, so borrowed this weird little wrench with a length of bicycle chain on it that you could size to fit. Hey, it worked - whatever it takes! FWIW - used Fram oil filters for years on many types of vehicles, and never had an engine/oil problem (kept most cars to 125K miles). Changed every 3500 miles. Bought a pack of 5(?) plug washers from the dealer.
Sharon - the ping is a malfunction. My 2000 OB Ltd Wagon (2.5L H4, 13.5K miles) has never made a peep or a ping - even climbing up mountains at fairly low RPMs (regular fuel). They're feeding you a line. Good luck.
Just bought my first air filters from Subaruparts.com - anyone have any idea when there will be an after-market filter available?
How about an after-market service manual for us occasional do-it-yourselfers? NOT the dealer's $300 set, either.
Mileage report: went to Mount St Helens this weekend: 1/3 interstate (65-70 mph), 1/3 two-lane highway, 1/3 mountain roads (lotsa up/dowshifting and switchbacks), 4 riders, small amount of luggage, 28.5 mpg on regular (5-speed).
Time to change the oil again, and run this baby down Highway 101/1 to Morro Bay, California next week (from Seattle).
Cheers from the PNW!
Ken
Where in the Mt St Helens area were you? We camped at Seaquest State Park last summer... wonderful place. That volcano is still an awesome sight 20+ years after the big kaboom.
Have fun in CA. We're headed for Humboldt County middle of next month ourselves.
Go Mariners!
Cheers from the dry side,
Paul
It's not the gas. And you're right Ken, they are feeding me a line. I think if they would be honest and say that there is something wrong and that they just don't have a fix for it yet, it would be much better. But it angers me for them to say it's normal and that lots of them do it. The only thing they can offer me is reimbursement for my extended warranty (they would pay for it) and if I wanted to trade it in for another one $1500 credit. That doesn't do me much good since I put $5000 down on the car and doubt the Subaru folks would give me a good trade for it. I'm going to have my husband go and see what they would give just out of curiousity.
Any other input/feedback from others out there would be great.
Thanks
Sharon
My wife and I are considering the base model outback wagon. However, we are not sure whether or not to purchase the all-weather package as an option. We live in the delaware area where temperatures in the 20's and snowfall are common during the winter. Does the de-icer on the front windshield really work? My assumption is that if there is ice on the front window you will still have to get your hand scrapper out and have at it... Your feedback would be welcomed. Thanks for your help.
OB really gets (I've had it only a month).
thanks
craig
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But we've become concerned because far more problems pop up on our 2000 OB and '01 VDC than the older ones we had. Like you, we're willing to be patient and put up with some glitches -- BUT would never put up with the kind of response from the company that you report. The one time Subaru did get involved with a mechanical problem on one of our cars, they handled the situation wonderfully and graciously. They went far above and beyond what I expected. I hope your situation gets resolved in a way that you can report the same kind of support from Subaru. These are truly outstanding cars, and we owners expect the company behind them to reflect the quality of their products.
By the way, in 1996 we totaled our first Outback three months after purchase (wife/driver totally unscathed, but totally embarrassed). To settle, the insurance company took our car's purchase price, deducted 25 cents per mile from that price, then gave us a check for the remainder. And our dealer chased down for us a identical car and simply took the insurance check as full payment.
After doing a thorough inspection at the dealers, and then finalizing the paper work, we slipped a Ray Charles CD into the stereo and headed off for a lesiurely drive into the Connecticut countryside. It was dusk as we left, and the sunset was in my rear view mirror.
We cruised the smaller CT backroads as I got used to the handling and enjoyed the quiet and smooth ride. The car felt and sounded great - steering and handling was responsive, the engine responded like I wanted it too (I didn't push it past 4000 rpm though, 'cuz of the break-in period).
We even had occasion to test out the brakes - once when some idiot in an SUV coming in the opposite direction decided to make a quick left turn 30-40' in front of us (at 50-55 mph that's not too comfortable a margin). The second time as we headed down hill on a dark, twisty road. I'm used to a smaller, noiser car and didn't realize I was doing about 40-45 mph on a road rated for 25 mph (the quietness and smooth ride is deceptive!). This is supposed to be an area where there is no parking after sunset, but as we came into an S-turn I saw a car parked by the side of the road with it's lights off and I realized I was going to fast for comfort. I gave the brakes a pretty hard tap (again, what I was used to in my previous car). The braking response was quicker than I anticipated, and I even felt the ABS pump the brakes a few times, but the handling remained responsive and secure.
I'm usually a pretty light-footed, non-agressive driver so I wasn't too pleased that I had gotten myself into that situation. However, I was reassured by the braking and handling performance.
I'm pleased as punch, and am looking forward to putting some miles on it this weekend! Now off to peruse the owners manual.
Cheers,
Paul