Chevrolet Impala Audio

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  • duraflexduraflex Member Posts: 358
    I'm with you.
    Did you hear the 2001 amp?

    We should all complain. It's a legitimate gripe. The thing is worthless and we paid extra for it. By GM changing it, they in effect, have admitted it was no good.

    No different to me than changing the rear wheel liners because they were defective or replacing the intermediate steering shaft - which I just had done this week. THAT steering shaft should have been a RECALL, no ifs, ands or buts.
  • impalaboy2001impalaboy2001 Member Posts: 117
    Hey guys, I wouldn't bother buying a new GM amp, just go to your local car stereo place and buy a new high quality amp for about the same price. I ended up buying a 560 Watt 4 channel Power Acoustic amp from UBID and had a local shop install it and brand new speakers. Total Cost was just around $400, and the sound quality was great. My next project is to install another amp and 2 10" Subs.
  • night_owl1night_owl1 Member Posts: 760
    Part of the issue is that GM should replace the amp if it is defective. This means no cost to the owner.

    I was (am) considering an aftermarket amp. However I do not want to cut into the harness. So I am still on the lookout for a supplier of the plug that mates up with the amp harness in the trunk.
  • sim3sim3 Member Posts: 66
    I didn't get a chance to listen to the new amp - my dealer only had an Impala with the old amp in the showroom and I didn't have time to go to the lot (at a separate location).

    I would really like to pursue this via GM/Chevy to make them replace the old amps, but I'm not sure how to start the process. Only money probably matters to GM, so in my opinion I just have to become a more-than-$200 nuisance to them ;-)

    Any suggestions? How many on this forum with the old amp (bypassed or not) would be willing to raise the issue to GM?

    (Oh, the service rep did get back to me - he said the new amp is compatible with the old system, so you could just plug it in. For some reason it doesn't work the other way around, though, but who would want to do that anyway)
  • duraflexduraflex Member Posts: 358
    GM owes us decent amps - we paid for a "premium sound system".

    From what I've read from other posters, I am curious to hear the new model amp used in the 2001.

    IF the new amp sounds as it should, I intend to pusue it for a warranty replacement. Nathan - I would take your word for it - based on your on your apparent technical expertise.

    I am not looking for Alpine audiophile quality - just a good "stock" factory system. I would actually be almost satisfied with the bypass IF GM had just supplied us with some custom bypass plugs. As it is - the sound is acceptable but that bypass still looks tacky in a new $25,000 car.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    I mentioned the amp issue to my service writer yesterday and he agrees I should pursue with GM, I will be doing that, we should make this an issue to them.
  • sim3sim3 Member Posts: 66
    I'm thinking to make ourselves more visible to GM, all complaints should go to one place - should one of us call GM and get a case number or something set up for this so that at least they won't be able to go with the "We've never heard about this from anyone else"-routine..?
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    I say we do it and anyone else that wants to join in can, kinda like a class action deal. For those that are happy with the sound they get from the 2k amp they don't have to do anything.
  • hvan3hvan3 Member Posts: 630
    There's been a lot of discussion about the poor sound from the amp. My LS has a built date of 05/2000. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the sound. I get plenty of bass. It's not the best stereo unit I ever had, but it met my expectation for a "GM" product.
  • daveleckdaveleck Member Posts: 16
    Check the model numbers on your amp and post them here. You may have the "good" one. I don't think we've pinned down an exact changeover date on the amps. I think all 2001s have the better unit, but maybe it got fixed sometime during the 2000 model year.

    My 2001 has the "good" amp and I am thrilled with the sound. No, it could never be mistaken for an audiophile-grade system, but it is the best factory stereo I've ever had.

    I am normally very quick to upgrade my car's stereo, but I have no intention of touching this one, other than possibly replacing the speakers with aftermarket drop-ins.

    I still would like to meet someone in the Kansas City area with one of the bad amps so I can hear it.

    Dave
  • sim3sim3 Member Posts: 66
    Daveleck: actually, I have a 2001 (build date 09/00) and it has the old amp - what's the build date of your 2001? For what I know now, it seems to have been changed in midst of the 2001 model year, somewhere between 09/00 and 12/00..

    hvan: can you check the model # of your amp?
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    This is what folks like Dura and me have been facing for the last year, as well as approximately 20 others who did the amp bypass and enjoyed much better sound than what we were getting with the amp connected. If you think the sound you have is fine on your 2k amp, no problem, but if it just doesn't sound right to you, join us in opening this case with GM. The amp bypass was a response to the bad sound, this is more of a money issue I think, I paid more for the power amp, it doesn't boost the sound of this unit in fact it draws power away from it. I'm no audiofile either, but my father in law is and he did my bypass, says the difference is night and day, that's good enough for me, he notices the difference as do I. I no longer have to turn the volume up to around 3/4's just to hear a decent amount of bass, even with adjusting the bass level. Now my bass is one tick below halfway and the volume at 1/3rd and my rearview mirror fairly vibrates. This is a good thing. Again, if you are satisfied, do nothing, no one is forcing you to do anything.
  • kruzer1kruzer1 Member Posts: 7
    Hey folks,
    I have a 2001 LS with a build date of 11/2000. Amp model No. is 10432572, or in other words, the old (bad) amp. Sounds like crap at low volume. I think we've got it narrowed as we have at least two posters with build dates of 12/2000 with the good amp. I want to hear this newer amp. Does it make a huge difference, or does the bypass setup (which I haven't tried yet)give superior sound quality? I'm all for going after GM on this one. Let me know how I might help.
  • kenbuzzkenbuzz Member Posts: 99
    I just took delivery on Saturday of my new LS, build date 04/01. Here's the info from the amp id label:

    Model: 10309548
    Ref #: CY-BG2911ZC
    Ser #: 603559

    This AMP sounds terrific. More Bass than I can possibly use, I've even had to tone it down a couple of notches to keep from swamping my tunes with too much LF stuff. There was some speculation on the Sedans board that the lower model # indicated an older AMP. I don't know if this is necessarily true, but it *is* apparent that GM is putting a *different* (better) AMP in it's newer models, implying that the previous AMP wasn't up to snuff.

    I think those of you with the previous AMP have a good case to help you get your units replaced. They're not functioning as designed, and there's a new unit that GM is currently using that should be swappable for the old unit. I'd be hard pressed to see how this wouldn't be a warranty issue.
  • hvan3hvan3 Member Posts: 630
    Ok, I checked my amp on the 2000 Impala LS with a build date of 05/2000.

    Serial Number: 475186
    Model: 10432572
    Ref: CY-BG2911ZC

    As I said before, it sounds fine to me. No problem with bass. This unit has met my expectation for a "GM" product. Obviously, it's not anywhere near the same quality as my home theater system.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    This is obviously a subjective issue, on the sedans board I was skewered for stating I wanted to upgrade the sound, this from some people who already have a better amp. My 2k has a build date of 3-00 and a delivery of 5-00, the amp was bypassed as soon as the "fix" was discovered. It's obvious you think we are crazy for wanting it to sound better, but really, if you're happy with it, DO NOTHING! No one is asking you to trade your amp in, if it's sufficient then I'm glad you're happy with it. As for others who have come here seeking answers, the bypass is a good temporary fix, but if you paid 220.00 more for a power amp that is worthless, wouldn't you want your money back or at least the new amp?
  • 00impala00impala Member Posts: 474
    Hunter39 and Duraflex, Please add me to the list of 2000 LS Owners wanting a replacement Amp, I did the bypass about a year ago and I am "living" with it, But yea, I would rather replace the darn Amp! Dura, You can email me and fill me in on what the scoop is... liked the Amp at High Volume, it was terrible at low volume, so I did the bypass and that really did help, but is a band-aid approach to this quagmire! Thanks and again "I WANT A NEW AMP!!!! Don
  • sim3sim3 Member Posts: 66
    Now that we seem to have at least a few people behind this, how should we really start going at it? How do you file a "joint complaint" to GM or whatever? Anyone have any idea?

    Btw, I sent an inquiry to Matshushita Electronics (manufacturer of the amps) regarding the differences in them. I'll keep you posted when/if I hear anything from them..

    Anyway, if we should come up with an e-mail 'forum' for the amp replacement thing (we might not want everything said be on the 'net), feel free to e-mail me (check the profile for address).
  • this_is_nascarthis_is_nascar Member Posts: 199
    I'm in. I am another one who's been living with the buypass for some time now.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    I was talking to the new car manager at the dealership I bought my carf rom on another issue, I asked him about the amp situation, he knows exactly what I'm talking about because he has a 2k Monte, said he noticed the difference right away when he tried out the 2k1 Impala, didn't know why it was so... So we have an ally, he is going to talk to his warranty manager and hopefully call me back today and we may find a way to correct this problem. I told him I have many people who will be calling GM about this and we will open a file on it if we have to, but they could make it easier to just replace it to the people who ask... kind like the wheel liners, granted more costly but hey... I'll let you all know.
  • kenbuzzkenbuzz Member Posts: 99
    That's good to hear, and I sincerely hope y'all can get something out of GM to fix your amps. I wish there were something that those of us who got the better amp could do to help. (Then again, maybe because those of us with the better amp _have_ been responsive on these boards, we might have _already_ helped out as much as we can!)

    What's the news on your modulated changer? I never heard whether you got it installed, or what the verdict was? :)
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    I got it installed last week thursday, no problems though I do notice now when I first turn the car on, the radio is static for about 2 sec, then it comes in, sound like what Dura was talking about before. I think the modulated system will be fine.

    As for Hutton, Kim is great, she was kind enough to refund the shipping charges I had incurred to ship back the other unit which was 14.00, I thought that was decent of her...
  • this_is_nascarthis_is_nascar Member Posts: 199
    I'm assuming the 2001 AMPS will just bolt right on and plug into our existing 2000 setup/connector. Assuming that's the case, what's the cost of just ordering one of the newer AMPS? Is this possible?
  • sim3sim3 Member Posts: 66
    Yes, they're compatible. This according to the information I got from my dealer anyway. Unfortunately, the price is quite steep - $220. That's why I'd very much like GM to pay for the replacement - after all, we did pay more for worse sound.
  • duraflexduraflex Member Posts: 358
    Did you get an answer from your dealer regarding replacement of the worthless 2000 amp?
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    Dura, I'm still waiting a call from him today I hope. My salesman(who is also my neighbor) said he would ask him about it today again... I'll let you know though.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    I called the warranty man at my dealer yesterday and he didn't return my calls. I plan on hitting him right between the eyes on this whole issue... Problem now is, I leave for my roadtrip to Indy 500 this morning so nothing more will be done anytime soon, unless someone else wants to address it with their dealer.
  • i2ki2k Member Posts: 1
    Hello to all,

    first, my car: 2000 dark jade green impala ls

    second, amp bypass: Did mine today, unbelievable. Sound quality went up, overall volume level went up, bass really went up. A great thanks to all who contributed to the amp bypass project. Just to throw my two cents in, looking at the picture on nathan's impala site it looks like whoever did that one used the top and bottom sets of holes. Don't know how everyone else did theirs but the center set of holes is actually what plugs into the amp. I found some solid copper 18 guage wire that fits perfectly in the center rows to the point where it doesn't fall out easily. Bent the excess wire around the plug and taped it up. But anyway, hope I don't blow my speakers.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    Just got off the phone with the Service Manager of my dealer here is what he said regarding my amp. He says he believes me when I say the sound quality is not what it should be. He checked my part numbers and serial numbers and did some research. The part number on my amp is 10432572, he says this is a 2001 part number. the old number is 10289187 and was probably installed in cars built before 2000. My car was built in March of 2000. He said they were going to order the 2001 amp for me and install it and see how it sounds, until he saw the part number were the same. I'm going to print the whole topic from this fourm so he can see what has been said here and we can compare notes.

    All this of course doesn't explain why I got crappy sound from my amp and it now sounds better if I have the newest amp, unless there is a third amp...more to follow.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    After researching the posts here newer owners of 2k1 Impalas have a amp with a different part number than mine, so we have now determined that there are at least three part numbers for this system. If everyone who has an amp in a 2001 built after approximately dec 2000, and it has a different number than mine, I want the newest one installed. I think I can make that happen with my dealer, he seems very eager to help. He's gone for the day but I will contact him tomorrow.
  • shaminoshamino Member Posts: 60
    Hello all, I've skimmed through some of the posts on this amp issue.
    So where do I sign for the petition for GM to replace my old USELESS amp on my '00 LS impala?

    I'm just wondering why some 2000 model owners opted to just bypass the amp, when they can now perhaps get a brand new amp???
  • sim3sim3 Member Posts: 66
    That's interesting - when I talked to my dealer they insisted there's nothing wrong with the amp - although, I haven't made them listen to the new and the old amp side-by-side yet. So I can't really say my dealer's been very understanding of the issue. Let us know what happens with your dealer.. if your dealer agrees to change the amp for free (absorbing the cost either themselves or getting it under warranty somehow), that would be a good argument for the rest of us. My dealer (Clay Chevrolet in Newton, MA) wants to keep up an "excellent service"-image so I'm sure they'd be interested in finding out that, in fact, compared to others, their service sucks ;-)

    What was the model # of your amp again?
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Having owned a 2000 Impala LS (Build date 1/00)with the "upgrade" sound system that came with the useless trunk mounted AMP and now own a brand new '01 Impala LS with a build date of 4/01, the quality of the sound systems between the two cars is like night and day.

    The 2000's stereo was wimpy sounding, had virtually no bass and sound quality at very low volume levels was nothing sort of a thin can...terrible. With the By-pass, things improved significantly, however.

    But the 2001 stereo is a blast..powerful sounds, deep rich bass and clear highs...a total audiophile's delight! This is what a REAL amp is suppossed to do...to Improve the quality of the sound, not to diminished it.

    GM obviously was aware of the problem for a long time and the new 'revised' AMP appears to have been introduced 'mid-year' during the 2001 Impala production (Around 12/00).

    GM IMO, will not replace the defective 2000 amps by their own initiative. That would be a huge massive recall for a component that in reality doesn't affect the safety or operation of the car...in other words, they are not forced to do so.

    However, most 2000 Impala LS owners (And base owners with the upgrade stereo) paid extra for the a better quality sound system and in turned they got short changed. My suggestion to everyone here is to complain as loudly as possible...rattle the Lion's cage!

    Here is what I think everyone should do:

    1. Call GM/Chevy customer service (Probably an useless endeavor)and make sure you express you complete dissatisfaction with the upgrade stereo.
    2. Have the customer service representative open a Case/Customer file. Write down the reference number given to you for your file.
    3. Ask to get the Service Manager at you local dealership directly involved in your complaint and also request for Chevy Customer service to arrange a meeting with the Service Manager directly this way GM and your dealership are officially responsible to properly handle your complaint with regular follow-ups in their part.
    4. Document your conversations with the GM/Chevy representative. Write down names, call times, etc.
    5. Forget about walking into the dealership's service dept and expect the service advisor to handle your complaint. Service advisors are often low level employees with very limited decision making. Get the Service Manager Involved by having GM arrange the Service appointment with him/her.
    5. Once either the GM/Chevy customer service represemtative or the Service Manager initiates contact with you to confirm the time and date of your appointment, then proceed to get as many print outs as possible from all the posts pertaining to the radio problem found here in this forum. Knowledge is power and the more information ammunition you have, the better results you can expect.
    6. make your appointment with the service manager as frugal as possible. Plan to spare at least 1 hour or so to make the most out of your visit to the dealer. Make sure that the Service Manager listens to your 2000 issue radio (if you have the by-pass undo it so he/she can hear for themselves how bad sounding the unit is). Then have the Service Manager pull up a new 2001 Impala with the upgrade stereo system. Have him/her compare the sound quality and fully acknowledge that the sound in your 2000 Impala is simply UNACCEPTABLE.
    7. Hint:: Bring a good quality CD/Tape to make the sound comparison a lot easier.
    8. Once the Service Manager acknowledges the problem, tell him/her that you would like for GM to swap or replace the 2000 trunk amp for the new 'revised' unit under the terms of the satisfaction provided by limited warranty. Make an emphasis on saying that you believe the 2000 amp is defective, therefore GM should replace it with the new working unit. Don'
    t offer to pay for it yourselves!!!!!!
    9. Follow up with your Service Manager and Chevy Customer service until GM makes good on the warranty and replaces the unit.
    10. Last but not least, make yourselves acquinted with the part numbers for the old and new revised amps.

    Good luck, if you have any questions, please let me know.
  • bh0001bh0001 Member Posts: 340
    I'm very impressed with your step-by-step instructions on how to pursue this. As an owner of a "good" amp I agree that those of you with the "bad" amp have a very legitimate complaint that ought to be addressed.

    One important thing to remember in all of this is DON'T YELL, SWEAR, RANT, RAVE, BERATE, BELITTLE, INSULT, NAME-CALL, ETC ETC ETC. Although you might be completely pissed (particularly if you don't get the responses you want) it is CRITICAL that you remain calm, respectful, and professional through the entire process. You'll have a much higher chance at success this way than in you try the bully approach.
    Just my $0.02 (Cdn).
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Thanks for your point. I forgot to include that important aspect of human treatment. Keep your cool, be polite but firm and you'll see GM and your dealer bending over backwards to make you happy. Is that simple and it works!

    PS:: I saw your pre-delivery pics of your '01 LS Navy Blue...beatiful ride! Enjoy!
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    My part number is as follows: 10432572, I'm told this is the number for the "booster amp" and is a 2001 part number, my car was built in March 2000, there is a number that is from 2000 Impalas that was listed as 10289187, this was for Impalas built before 2000, probably early production 2k's from Sept. to Dec. 99'

    The plot thickens though, as Kennbuzz and other 2k1 owners list their booster amp part number as 10309548, this from 04-01 build date. I have not spoken to my service manager yet but from the conversation I had with him yesterday I was of the opinion he would order the new amp and swap them out. He told me to wait on opening a case file until he knew for sure we would need to do that. My dealer is very interested in making me happy so I'm hoping that I won't have to "go thru the motions" to get this done. I'l update more when I hear more...
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Good luck with your gestion. One thing however, try to open a case file 'Just in case'. This will give you a lot more of leverage in your complaints as this allows for a paper trail to be created and easily tracked back and forth. It is just a small formality if you will.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    Paydirt! Just got off the phone with my service manager, he punched that new booster amp number into his computer and it came up as "not available" to his parts department. However, he asked me if he ordered it and plugged it in would that fix my problem? I said it would. He said if he did that I needed to do him a favor, and that was not to post it so that 30 people came down to his shop and asked for the same thing! Since I bought the car from him he is obliged to do this for me, I'm guessing you'll have to do the same thing with your service manager, I think a little stroking on the SM and promises of letters of praise would go far for you in getting this done if you are unhappy with your amp booster. I'm posting this only to say that he will do it for ME, this is not to say that some other SM in another place would do it for you, I guess it depends on how much they want to keep you happy. If you don't get any satisfaction from him/her, then open a complaint file and certainly mention the lack of effort on the part of your local dealer to keep you a satisfied customer.

    This is not a done deal, he said only that he will order the part, though I'm not sure why it's listing the part as "not available" I'm sure there are ways they can get one...I will keep you updated.
  • duraflexduraflex Member Posts: 358
    I made an issue of the amp to my service department weeks ago.

    They agreed to order the 103 (2001 amp).

    They said the 103# didn't check out and what they received was a 104 (2000 amp) instead.
    I already have a 104 in my car which I bypassed almost a year ago. I am not about to spend half a day waiting for them to install an identical unit I know to be junk just to see if it might sound better. I already know it won't.

    My best guess is that GM has an awful lot of these worthless 104 amps already built and in stock and are simply trying to unload (read DUMP) them on folks requesting warranty replacements. The unknowing multitudes won't hear the difference - they hope. In reality, GM knows the 10432572s are junk and that's why the replaced them with the 10309548s in the new Impalas.

    Where do we go from here? This has been a colossal and unnecessary waste of time and energy just to get a decent sounding audio system.
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Is to see if the speakers also changed from 2000 to mid year 2001 to handle the additional power from the new revised amp.....any toughts on this possibility???

    Last week I checked the rear shelf speakers and they are still being built by Matsushita in Mexico. I think it would be worth making sure that the speakers (Part numbers) did not change from one year to the next....this will minimize the chance for unwanted surprises.

    I believe the Radio head unit to be unchanged (Internally) but I have no certainty about this.

    I hope that the only item in the sound system that was changed is the amp itself.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    My service manager said he had to order it from the source, not from GM stock since they don't stock the part, I know I will be getting the 103 part, he said give him two weeks. hell I've waited a year two weeks should take long.
  • mediumfrymediumfry Member Posts: 239
    I have the '104' amp (Build date 11/00) and would love to try the '103'. I'll be taking my car in tomorrow for the Intermediate Steering Shaft, and plan to mention the amp. We'll see what they do and I'll report the results. Fortunately, I have 4 or more dealers within 30 miles so I can go to any or all of them to work on the replacement.

    I am tired of having my bass and volume cranked to hear some decent bass.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    If you folks are really happy with the way things turned out, write a letter to the owner of the dealership you went with, tell them how happy you are and that they have earned your business in the future and you will tell others too how good they are to deal with. It's the very least you can do for the effort they put forth, since we can see how many other dealerships out there can give a rats pitootie about how happy the customer is after they have your money!
  • jci1jci1 Member Posts: 34
    Where do I find the part number for the amp in my LS? I purchased it in 12-2000, might I need an upgrade?

    Also, does anyone know how to remove the rear speakers? They are 6X9 right?

    Thanks!

    John
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    can be found if you get into the trunk, lay on your back and "scooch" up until you can read, they are on the side of the amp closest to the back seat. I believe it say Part # and then also serial number. I'd be curious if you have an old amp since your car was built 12-00
  • kenbuzzkenbuzz Member Posts: 99
    You don't have to lay in the trunk and scootch up to read the part # on your amp. If you've got folding rear seats, go into the passenger compartment, pull down the back seat, and the amp's part # will be right there. :)
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Is good to do a bit of stretching excercise from time to time....;-)
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    The build date on mine is 01/01 and the car arrived at the dealer 02/06/01. It definitely has the new amp. I also think it is a little boomy sounding. Still doing some adjusting to get a happy medium. Thinking saxophones and vocals should be a little louder.
  • hunter39hunter39 Member Posts: 375
    given the P.O.S I have in the trunk it's hard for me to say exactly what might be a happy medium (mine was bypassed almost a year ago) but I do find that the manual setting of "Jazz" is the best overall setting for a mixture of tunes. I did notice that the "rock" setting tries to get more bass into the mix. I can't wait to hear what this will sound like when I have an actual amp booster to hear all my music. Looking forward to it.

    As far as climbing into the trunk vs. climbing into the back seat, they are about the same to me being as big as I am!
  • bob1951bob1951 Member Posts: 7
    I wonder if someone could clear up something for me. In this forum it seems that the good amp is part number 10309548 and the bad amp is 10432572. My question is does the new amp solve the poor reception (FM crackle and fade outs) problem I seem to have with the old amp I have? I've heard a lot about the bass issues but the reception thing bugs me more than the base problem.
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