My car is an 05 Jacob; and I paid $18,000 through Costco which has pre set prices with the local dealers. If you do not have a Costco card it is worth the $45.00 to save alot! Auto club also has a similar program but I do not know their discount.
I have an interesting story regarding Toyota that I think is worth mentioning here in relation to the Accord -vs- Camry topic. First, let me say that I bought an 06 Accord EX V6 sedan about 2 weeks ago. I traded in a 2006 Lexus ES330. That's not a typo on my part: yes, an 2006 Lexus. It was only 6 months old.
To make a very long story short, after about 1 month of ownership with the Lexus (a Toyota product) I began having a variety of problems w/ it related to the transmission and the front suspension. The first 4 months of ownership, the car was in the shop over 3 weeks, with major repairs, including a transmission replacement, left front hub assembly, and I could go on. With less than 8,000 miles on it, the car more than qualified as a new car lemon, according to my state's lemon laws and the info. the Lexus dealership provides on what constitutes a new car lemon.
In short, the Lexus dealership refused to work with me at all regarding a replacement vehicle or a buy-back and forced me into arbitration with Toyota corporation. My experience with this arbitration was a nightmare. What I learned very quickly was that Toyota communicated with me just as if I were a legal party and refused to back up their product at all. They simply said I must take this to arbitration. Keep in mind this was almost a $40,000 UDS car. Toyota refused to acknowledge anything. This lead me to do some research, wherein I discovered that Toyota corp. has a long history of not standing behind their products and forcing their consumers into endless arbitration. Only years of class-action law suits have sometimes won out over Toyota.
I could go on and on regarding the details of my treatment by Lexus and Toyota corp., but I won't torture anyone with that.
Hence, my purchase of a Honda Accord. As a side note, in the past 7 years I've owned a BMW 325i, an Infiniti G35 coupe, and Lexus ES330, and now the Honda. My experience - perhaps the only two cars worth buying for under 40,000 is the Honda and the BMW.
So, if you're thinking about buying a Toyota product I suggest a few things: 1. Research Toyota's history regarding dealing with serious manufacturing defects with their consumers. In fact, at one point the Camry (I think it was 1999 or 2000?)had an oil sludge build up that destroyed engines and Toyota didn't care that its new car consumers had new cars with blown engines. 2. If you decide to buy a Camry, keep all repair orders and NEVER accept a repair order unless ALL work done on the vehicle is properly and thoroughly documented. This is good practice no matter what, but especially if it is a Toyota product.
Please read this!! I had the same experience with a Ford. HAd the car in the shop 45 times for faulty brakes in the first year. The Ford dealership finally said they were not going to do any more work on the car to "cut their loses." They mentioned Lemon Law and Arbitration, but my attorney went one step further and I sued Ford Motor Company for "Breach of Contract." Their contract read that for payment of automobile, they in turn would deliver a safe and reliable vehicle. Ford did not even want to go to court and we settled out of court. I gave the dealer the keys and the car back and I recieved my entire down payment back, the monthly note payments back and they released the title to me to forward to Ford. I went and bought a 95 Eclipse, put 120,000 miles on it in 2 1/2 years with no problems! Hope this helps you.
You had a good lawyer. Congrats. I, too, paid a good lawyer and he wanted me to take this to civil court on similar grounds. In retrospect, perhaps we would have won. Since my job was taking me half way across the country for several months, I decided to cut my losses and simply got rid of the car.
Interesting update: I got a call from a jr. exec. at Toyota yesterday in response to a letter I sent the company regarding this entire fiasco and he wanted to know what he could do to resolve this???!!!!!!!! I asked him if he had noticed in my letter that I mentioned that I sold the car? What a corp. suckhole. He told me I was entitled to a refund for my extended warranty purchase. Guess What? I contacted the dealership, who is giving me a hard time about this! Does it ever end? I called this Toyota rep. back and said I wanted to accept his offer to do me a favor by handling this issue with the dealership and his response was, "I can't promise anything since the dealership controls that paperwork." My response was not something I can type here, but in the end, he said he'd handle this and get back to me. Yeah, right. We'll see about that.
If anyone reads this and still buys a Toyota product, then you must be 100% confident that your vehicle will not have significant manufacturing defects. If not, you will undoubtedly have the same experience I had.
O.K. we have now done a test drive of the 2007 Camery CE auto and the 2006 Accord VP auto. The Accord was in some ways a little more fun to drive, tigher steering and more of a sporty feel. As for the Camry it felt bigger sitting inside of it, and the drive was much quiete. Much less road noise and just a softer drive. So I guess it is a matter of price and of preference for a tigher drive in the Accord or a softer drive in the Camry. We did get an out the door price on the VP Accord 4 cyl. The dealer had added pinstrip, mudflaps and wheelocks already onto all of their cars on the lot. I let them know I would not pay one cent for dealer aftermarket add on's that I did not request. So after little haggeling them came back with a price of $17,495 plus tax and tags. Don't think the offer was too bad but at this time I think my husband is leaning towards the Camary. We were quoted around $200 over invoice on the 2007. We were thinking because Honda does not have a 2007 it is a little difficult to compare.
For those who have driven both cars, how does the interior room of the '07 Camry (especially on the driver's side) compare to the interior room of an Accord? I have an '04 Accord which I love, but Toyota seemed to really kick things up a notch with the '07 Camry, and I'm really tempted to take one for a test drive. One of the major reasons I bought an Accord over the Camry was the Accord felt roomier to me on the inside. Any information is appreciated. Thanks!
Toyota did kick things up a notch with the '07 Camry but they are seeming to have those first year demons sometimes car makers experience. Check out the 2007 Camry woes forum. Problems Toyota either won't acknowledge or acknowledge and won't fix.
We are making a decision whether to buy a Accord LX 06 or Camry LE 07. We have heard that Camry 07 has problems with transmission. Any bad experience with Accord LX 06 on transmission or anyting?
Any other suggestions on buying an Accord LX 06 would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I had the 07 Camry SE V6 as a rental for a week. It was very nice. Road nice and had lots of power and room.
When I got home I started to look for a new car. I just bought an Accord EX V6 Cpe the other week. Both cars road about the same( Sporty feel). I preferred the exterior of the Accord.
In the end I could not justify paying nearly 3K more for the 07 Camry and that "bulky" looking body. For the money the Accord was the easy choice.
I love my 06 LX...no problems and I already have 30,000 mi on it as I am 45 min. from work. I bought it through the Costco program, fully loaded $18,000. Good Luck!
My only suggestion is not to make a decision based on what you read on the Edmunds forums. You have a dozen or so people with problems out of over 100,000 2007 cars sold. That's noise level stuff.
I think that Honda and Toyota are both the best brands on the market (in the same segment). I have owned Hondas and Toyotas and believe that Honda is really a great manufacturer. Maybe better then Toyota in quality.
However, after driving a Honda Accord 06 and a 07 Toyota Camry, I decided to buy the Camry for two reasons.
1) I was looking for a Cadillac type ride (smooth and refined). Toyota Camry's ride has that feel. When I drove the Accord, I felt that I was driving a compact. The suspension on the Camry is a lot more complex and sophisticated.
2) Room! There is no question that the Camry feels a lot roomier and has a higher driving position then the Accord. The Camry felt really cramp and unrefined.
3) I wanted to get the new body style rather then get the Honda Accord and have Honda change the body style for 2008.
Note: As far as quality though, the Honda Accord feels lower in quality. This is deceiving though and in my opinion, the quality is better in the long haul for the Honda Accord. I think that the next Honda Accord is going to be a real winner. Especially, since Toyota is getting ignorant and naive. I just could not wait for another year or two.
I agree with a lot of your post, but would have to disagree on the "lower in quality" compared with Toyota. Do I think the new 07 Camry is more refined? Sure. But the feel fo switchgear and the look of plastics from one car to the other was too small of a difference for me to discern.
The Accord does ride on the firm side of the scale, while the Camry has been known for awhile as a much softer/quieter ride. For those looking for fun, the SE Camry is available, but I think I'd still take my Accord at the end of the day. It's a gem (a gem that in its current model year, costs a lot less in the real world than a 07 Camry!)
At 6'4", I found the Accord to be plenty roomy; although the Camry did feel more "airy," it wasn't enough to make me regret deciding on my Honda (I got my 06 Accord before the 07 Camry was released, so I didn't compare before purchasing).
A few weeks ago, I went out looking for a car. I first had my hopes on an Accord Coupe LX manual. The local dealership only had a 4 dr LX SE manual for me to test drive. After driving that, I was ready to make a deal for a 4 dr LX SE assuming they could find a black on black one. However the dealership was closing, and we decided to come back the next day. That night, I realized honda doesn't make LX sedans in black on black. So the next day, I decided to go look at camry's for the hell of it. I was looking at an SE 5sp manual camry. I loved the sporty ride of the camry compared with the more bland accord ride. Also the camry interior (as a result of the latest update) was alot nicer. It has an mp3 direct jack, and just was more comforatble. The drivers area seems to be bigger, and I didn't have a problem with my legs hitting the steering wheel on the camry (while i did while shifting in the accord). So I decided to go with a camry which just came out and was the latest and greatest, over a bland accord which I liked, but didn't love like I did the camry.
People can say the SE camry and LX SE don't compare, but the SE without moonroof and upgraded sound and bluetooth, are similar both in base price and size.
Just my opinion from a relatively just out of college guy.
Traction Control helps your car/tires not to slip when you suddenly stop on wet road.
I believe you're mixing ABS (Anti-Lock Brakes) with Traction Control.
Traction control prevents slip when the throttle is applied. ABS helps when you apply the brakes, and your wheels start to lock.
Electronic Stability Control: to put it simply, helps you when you're entering corners and your rear end starts to slip. - This system has got a lot of praise from IIHS.
Which should I get? Accord or Camry? I would rather go with the Honda. I prefer its interior design. I like how this car is so balanced. It can combine good handling, and comfort. I find the Camry still a little isolating. I own a Honda Accord EX V6. So far the car has been great! Although, judging by the prices you have (it seems to be in V6 territory) the Camry's V6 is amazing. It does have more power than the Accord. In my case, I really don't need that much power. The Accord's V6 is already powerful enough. You should note that the Accord's are being discounted now. I've heard some Honda owners getting EX V6's for the price of around 24,000. The Accord may be one of the oldest designs (it's getting redesigned in 2008), but it can still be compared to the new models that are coming out... and can even beat them in some areas. Remember this is only my opinion. You may prefer a more isolating and relaxing environment. Which is what the Camry does best.
*But I think you should open your choices to other cars. Have you considered the Hyundai Sonata? It seems safety is important to you. The Sonata has all the safety features standard. It comes with ABS, Electronic Stability Control, Traction Control, 6 Airbags (on even the i4 models). If you want to learn more about other sedans, come visit the Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread. It's always good to open up to other choices. The Accord or Camry may be the best car for you. But you can only know that by testing out other midsize sedans.
2007 camry is boring and ugly.they cant even compete with current accord.as far as 0 to 60,the 2003 accord coupe v6 6speed runs 5.9sec.toyota cant even take hondas,acura 4 bangers.everybody just wait until 2008 accord then we will really talk.honda accord and honda civics are the best selling cars in USA.i can explain how?you can go to car rental companies and rent corrolla,camry and other toyotas.most of there cars the rental companies buy and same for other american cars.Honda standers are very high.they dont sell cars to rental companies.i think its the insult of honda accord to even compare with cheap camry or hundai.
Dollar Rental Cars uses Honda Civics and Accords as well as Toyota Corollas and Camrys. The Toyota Camry is the best selling car in America regaurdless of fleet sales.
You must be joking, an Accord hitting 60 in 5.9 seconds? Where did you see this article? Either it had some modifications or more likely it is a fib. 5.9 seconds is Infiniti G35 territory.
FYI the previous generation Civic was slow as heck. Corollas had no trouble passing those things on the road. Especially since the only model to have VTECH was the EX. I've driven the new ones, they are better, but not much faster unless your talking about the Si. The new ones are slow off the line and doesn't come alive until you pass 4000 rpm.
I think it's an insult that a near Lexus-like Camry can compete with cheap Accords or Hyundai's
Ummm no. Any way you look at it, the Accord does not outsell the Camry in the US. As for 5.9 seconds?! I'd like to see the article if you could post it. I'd be very interested in this amazing feet aswell. The Accord is an extremely good car too, but calling the Camry or any toyota cheap? lol... doesn't deserve much of a comment.
go to modernracer.com and find out 0to 60 on accord v6 6speed coupe 2003-2006.and let me tell you the new accord is due.go test drive 6speed coupe accord.it will eat camry.
Modernracer.com did not list the 0-60 time on an Accord coupe, however they did cite numerous auto publications. One of those happened to be The Auto Channel. They tested an EX V6 Accord Coupe in 2003. They managed 0-60 in 7 seconds flat. The new Camry will wipe the floor clean with that and so will the Altima.
It was Car and Driver (Feb 2006 - Comparo Test of Sports Sedans) that got the 0-60 in 5.9 sec. The same number, 5.9 sec, was gotten on the Coupe version of the car back in September 2003 by Car & Driver.
I think it'd be best to compare Apples to Apples...
Toyota doesn't offer a 6-speed Manual Camry, Honda does. Honda wins that battle.
Toyota outaccelerates Honda V6 Auto by about 1/2 second to 60 MPH (Car & Driver and Motor Trend both tested Accord Autos at 6.6 sec to 60). Toyota wins that battle.
Toyota shouldn't be called cheap... they are high-quality vehicles like Accords are, and Toyota sets a high standard (I think that's what you meant by "stander") for refinement, like Honda.
Toyota is faster in automatic version, where Honda gets bonus points for having a 6MT option, that does under 6 sec to 60 MPH (see Feb 2006 Car and Driver).
you are talking about 2003 accord v6 with automatic.that run 0 to 60 6.9 sec.but if you look at 240hp v6 6speed coupe.it runs 5.9 sec.go on modernracer.com and click on new car archieve.and click on accord and read the whole page.in the bottom of the page they tell you the competitors and infinity G35 coupe is one of them.which runs 0to 60 5.6 sec.6speed accord coupe is quick.it can even kill all 3 series bmw.camry junk is too slow and augly floating boat.its an old people car.lexus es300 and camry look identical that tells you they cant even come up with any more new design.
you need to know one more thing that you are comparing the old honda accord which came in 2003 and havent changed yet.it is due next year.and it will be fully redesign and of course alot more horse power and interesting features.then we will really talk.if you compare the old camry 2003-06 with current accord,you will be disappointed with camry.that camry is joke and cheap
go on car and driver.com or modernracer.com and you will find out how fast 2003-06 accord is.make sure it is v6 6 speed coupe.it runs 5.9 and g35 runs 5.6.i went to every brand name car rental companies like hertz,enterprize,Almo.no one has either accord and civics.dollar rental must bought couple old cars.corolla is cheap junk and its not even a problem for civics.V-tech rules.civic will eat toyotas.2006 civic si runs 0 to 60 in 6.7 sec.
Um, I wouldn't call Corolla junk, especially when you provide no basis for your argument. It is the most efficient compact car on the market that isn't a "hybrid" and therefore doesn't carry a price premium with it. My girlfriend has a 2004 Corolla, and while it is kinda small inside for me (I'm 6'4") it has an interior that is high quality, and a great ride/handling compromise for a car of its price (it rides more smoothly than my Accord!). Not a hot-rod, but that isn't it's purpose.
By the way, it's VTEC, there is no "H" on Vtec except for the electronics company that makes cordless phones among other things.
Camry does have more fleet sales than Accord, but without the fleets, the Camry would still hold a lead in sales, although a MUCH smaller one (something I read on the midsize sedan forum said something like 14% of Camrys in 2005-2006 era were sold to fleets).
The Civic is a very nice vehicle now.. It's just catching up to the Corolla in performance though. Most of the production models of Civics are just a slow or slower than any other small 4c. Nothing special there.
The website you were reffering to used The Auto Channel as reference. After doing some research on that website, they tested an Accord EX V6 Coupe and recorded 7.0 seconds flat. Even if they tested the automatic version, the manual cannot be 5.9 seconds.
FYI The Camry and Lexus ES350 is the same car as the Honda Pilot and Acura MDX so according to you Honda can't really come up with their own original designs either?
Then you'd recall wrong. The Accord has 244 hp, the old 3.3L made 210 horsepower in the Camry (the 3.0 L only made 190 hp). This is using the most up-to-date SAE test numbers.
Hp is only one of the factors in determining engine size and power. The 3.3 liter engine has a larger displacement than the 3.0 liter Accord. Also Toyota's engine makes more torque, 240 vs Honda's 211.
I think you have an inflated idea of the 2006 Camry... try 210 hp and 220 lb-ft of torque in the 2006 3.3L; the 3.0L engine (that is the same size as the Accord's) only made 190 hp, and 197 lb-ft...We could use old testing procedures, but I'm pretty certain you wouldn't give Honda that same luxury in this conversation.
Despite the 9 lb-ft advantage, it didn't seem to help the Camry in the last comparo, in which the outgoing Camry came in last (in both the test, and in acceleration, which was a second behind the Accord to 60 MPH).
Back to the CURRENT cars, shall we? And maybe we can avoid baseless comments like the "cheap" Accord? Or is that asking too much?
Nope, I'm referring to the most recent test I could find, not something that is 4 years old. This tested 2006 models, in which Accord placed first, beating out a Hyundai and a Ford. 2003 model Hondas didn't have the advantage of the horsepower bump either, which is why I tried to reference the most recent test of both cars.
This is old news though, and we should be paying attention to the new Camry, in which the V6 is a rocket (the 4-cyl Camry leaves something to be desired compared to the Accord however, based on many reports on this site).
I need advice from the members on which Car to buy. 2007 Camry SE 4cyl or the 2007 Accord SE 4cyl.
The Camry that I drove has the following options & prices
Base MSRP - 21,940 Invoice - 19,525 Package EJ - 1,000 750 Package SR - 940 752 Package CF - 199 126 Package RF - 200 160 Destination - 620 620 ---------------------------------------------------- Total MSRP - 24,899 Invoice - 21,933
California Emissions[16] (CA) - Color-Keyed Rear Lip Spoiler (RF) - JBL® AM/FM 6-Disc In-Dash CD Changer w/8 Speakers in 6 Locations, Satellite Radio Capability[7], MP3/WMA Playback Capability, Aux. Audio Jack, and Bluetooth®[8] Wireless Technology. (EJ) - Moonroof Package includes: Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof w/Sliding Sunshade, Dual Illuminated Visor Vanity Mirrors w/Dimmer Control & Rear Personal Reading Lights (SR)
I am getting it for $21,800 + taxes etc for $23,970 on road in SFO Bay area.
I also test drove the 2007 Accord SE whose drive I liked more than the Camry (less noisy & quiet) but I like the looks and features in the Camry. The price on the Accord is 19,988 + tax.
Since I have to decide on which to buy I need some expert opinions on the cars above. I will really appreciate it.
I also test drove the 2007 Accord SE whose drive I liked more than the Camry (less noisy & quiet) but I like the looks and features in the Camry
Which car was less noisy & quiet - the Camry or Accord. IMO the Accord is considerably noisier on the highway - especially concrete roads.
The 4cyl Accord is a great car & very reliable - since it is in its last year of the revision cycle most of the bugs should be worked out.
I wouldn't buy the Camry because of the hesitation problem. You can read about it in the Camry Problems & Solutions forums. There is a Service Bulletin out right now that was supposed to fix the glitch but many are still reporting problems. Trust me - a co-worker drove one for a day as a loaner car & they can be dangerous when you need to accelerate.
Also, the Camry is a first year re-design & will inherently have bugs that will need to be worked out. Even a first year Lexus has issues.
IMO the Accord is probably the best deal if you can deal with the choppy ride & road noise. It will give you great gas mileage & years of trouble free operation.
Surpisingly the Accord felt quieter and did not complain when I accelerated with 4 people in the car (and AC on) onto the Freeway.
I drove the Camry on the same freeway (on different exits as the dealerships were about 12 miles apart) and I could feel the engine noise. I wouldn't buy the Camry because of the hesitation problem
Can you please elaborate? Is this problem with the SE only or all versions of 2007 Camry
sicom007 - My experience is similar to yours. Recently, I sold a 2005 Accord EX V6 and orded a 2007 Camry SE V6. After driving the Camry for a bit, I found it much rougher riding than my old Accord and much louder, especially on the highway. My Toyota dealer was terrific and let me try an XLE. Although the ride was smoother, I could not get comfortable in the driver's seat and I found the steering rather loose. In the end, the dealer graciously kept the SE. At this point, I have not decided what to buy.
First off, I'm addicted to buying a new vehicle every two to three years, so selling it was not too unusual and the resale was terrific which is making my cost to change minimal. I liked the Accord's V6, seats and steering. On the other side, I thought it was a bit loud on rough surfaces (less so than the Camry SE), it was developing a few rattles and the unlike my Honda Pilot, the transmission was a bit on the rough shifting side (a characteristic of the V6 versions), so I sold it. The short replacement list as of this moment includes the '07 Altima 3.5SL, VW Passat (I'm not sure if I trust VW's reliability) or the Acura TL. Fortunately I have an extra car that my son uses and he's off at college, so I've got some time.
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To make a very long story short, after about 1 month of ownership with the Lexus (a Toyota product) I began having a variety of problems w/ it related to the transmission and the front suspension. The first 4 months of ownership, the car was in the shop over 3 weeks, with major repairs, including a transmission replacement, left front hub assembly, and I could go on. With less than 8,000 miles on it, the car more than qualified as a new car lemon, according to my state's lemon laws and the info. the Lexus dealership provides on what constitutes a new car lemon.
In short, the Lexus dealership refused to work with me at all regarding a replacement vehicle or a buy-back and forced me into arbitration with Toyota corporation. My experience with this arbitration was a nightmare. What I learned very quickly was that Toyota communicated with me just as if I were a legal party and refused to back up their product at all. They simply said I must take this to arbitration. Keep in mind this was almost a $40,000 UDS car. Toyota refused to acknowledge anything. This lead me to do some research, wherein I discovered that Toyota corp. has a long history of not standing behind their products and forcing their consumers into endless arbitration. Only years of class-action law suits have sometimes won out over Toyota.
I could go on and on regarding the details of my treatment by Lexus and Toyota corp., but I won't torture anyone with that.
Hence, my purchase of a Honda Accord. As a side note, in the past 7 years I've owned a BMW 325i, an Infiniti G35 coupe, and Lexus ES330, and now the Honda. My experience - perhaps the only two cars worth buying for under 40,000 is the Honda and the BMW.
So, if you're thinking about buying a Toyota product I suggest a few things:
1. Research Toyota's history regarding dealing with serious manufacturing defects with their consumers. In fact, at one point the Camry (I think it was 1999 or 2000?)had an oil sludge build up that destroyed engines and Toyota didn't care that its new car consumers had new cars with blown engines.
2. If you decide to buy a Camry, keep all repair orders and NEVER accept a repair order unless ALL work done on the vehicle is properly and thoroughly documented. This is good practice no matter what, but especially if it is a Toyota product.
Their contract read that for payment of automobile, they in turn would deliver a safe and reliable vehicle.
Ford did not even want to go to court and we settled out of court. I gave the dealer the keys and the car back and I recieved my entire down payment back, the monthly note payments back and they released the title to me to forward to Ford.
I went and bought a 95 Eclipse, put 120,000 miles on it in 2 1/2 years with no problems!
Hope this helps you.
Interesting update: I got a call from a jr. exec. at Toyota yesterday in response to a letter I sent the company regarding this entire fiasco and he wanted to know what he could do to resolve this???!!!!!!!! I asked him if he had noticed in my letter that I mentioned that I sold the car? What a corp. suckhole. He told me I was entitled to a refund for my extended warranty purchase. Guess What? I contacted the dealership, who is giving me a hard time about this! Does it ever end? I called this Toyota rep. back and said I wanted to accept his offer to do me a favor by handling this issue with the dealership and his response was, "I can't promise anything since the dealership controls that paperwork." My response was not something I can type here, but in the end, he said he'd handle this and get back to me. Yeah, right. We'll see about that.
If anyone reads this and still buys a Toyota product, then you must be 100% confident that your vehicle will not have significant manufacturing defects. If not, you will undoubtedly have the same experience I had.
Any other suggestions on buying an Accord LX 06 would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
When I got home I started to look for a new car. I just bought an Accord EX V6 Cpe the other week. Both cars road about the same( Sporty feel). I preferred the exterior of the Accord.
In the end I could not justify paying nearly 3K more for the 07 Camry and that "bulky" looking body. For the money the Accord was the easy choice.
However, after driving a Honda Accord 06 and a 07 Toyota Camry, I decided to buy the Camry for two reasons.
1) I was looking for a Cadillac type ride (smooth and refined). Toyota Camry's ride has that feel. When I drove the Accord, I felt that I was driving a compact. The suspension on the Camry is a lot more complex and sophisticated.
2) Room! There is no question that the Camry feels a lot roomier and has a higher driving position then the Accord. The Camry felt really cramp and unrefined.
3) I wanted to get the new body style rather then get the Honda Accord and have Honda change the body style for 2008.
Note: As far as quality though, the Honda Accord feels lower in quality. This is deceiving though and in my opinion, the quality is better in the long haul for the Honda Accord. I think that the next Honda Accord is going to be a real winner. Especially, since Toyota is getting ignorant and naive. I just could not wait for another year or two.
The Accord does ride on the firm side of the scale, while the Camry has been known for awhile as a much softer/quieter ride. For those looking for fun, the SE Camry is available, but I think I'd still take my Accord at the end of the day. It's a gem (a gem that in its current model year, costs a lot less in the real world than a 07 Camry!)
At 6'4", I found the Accord to be plenty roomy; although the Camry did feel more "airy," it wasn't enough to make me regret deciding on my Honda (I got my 06 Accord before the 07 Camry was released, so I didn't compare before purchasing).
People can say the SE camry and LX SE don't compare, but the SE without moonroof and upgraded sound and bluetooth, are similar both in base price and size.
Just my opinion from a relatively just out of college guy.
I did some research on the 2007 Accord SE and the 2007 Camry LE.
Accord SE $23,945 with Traction Control(standard)
Camry LE $23,920 w/o Traction Control - Option for Trac Ctrl is $650 total: $24,570
Traction Control helps your car/tires not to slip when you suddenly stop on wet road.
Which should I get? Accord or Camry?
I believe you're mixing ABS (Anti-Lock Brakes) with Traction Control.
Traction control prevents slip when the throttle is applied.
ABS helps when you apply the brakes, and your wheels start to lock.
Electronic Stability Control: to put it simply, helps you when you're entering corners and your rear end starts to slip. - This system has got a lot of praise from IIHS.
Which should I get? Accord or Camry?
I would rather go with the Honda. I prefer its interior design. I like how this car is so balanced. It can combine good handling, and comfort. I find the Camry still a little isolating. I own a Honda Accord EX V6. So far the car has been great! Although, judging by the prices you have (it seems to be in V6 territory) the Camry's V6 is amazing. It does have more power than the Accord. In my case, I really don't need that much power. The Accord's V6 is already powerful enough. You should note that the Accord's are being discounted now. I've heard some Honda owners getting EX V6's for the price of around 24,000. The Accord may be one of the oldest designs (it's getting redesigned in 2008), but it can still be compared to the new models that are coming out... and can even beat them in some areas. Remember this is only my opinion. You may prefer a more isolating and relaxing environment. Which is what the Camry does best.
*But I think you should open your choices to other cars. Have you considered the Hyundai Sonata? It seems safety is important to you. The Sonata has all the safety features standard. It comes with ABS, Electronic Stability Control, Traction Control, 6 Airbags (on even the i4 models). If you want to learn more about other sedans, come visit the Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread. It's always good to open up to other choices. The Accord or Camry may be the best car for you. But you can only know that by testing out other midsize sedans.
You must be joking, an Accord hitting 60 in 5.9 seconds? Where did you see this article? Either it had some modifications or more likely it is a fib. 5.9 seconds is Infiniti G35 territory.
FYI the previous generation Civic was slow as heck. Corollas had no trouble passing those things on the road. Especially since the only model to have VTECH was the EX. I've driven the new ones, they are better, but not much faster unless your talking about the Si. The new ones are slow off the line and doesn't come alive until you pass 4000 rpm.
I think it's an insult that a near Lexus-like Camry can compete with cheap Accords or Hyundai's
Here's a link to the story from C & D Feb 2006:
Accord V6 5.9 sec 0-60
Toyota doesn't offer a 6-speed Manual Camry, Honda does. Honda wins that battle.
Toyota outaccelerates Honda V6 Auto by about 1/2 second to 60 MPH (Car & Driver and Motor Trend both tested Accord Autos at 6.6 sec to 60). Toyota wins that battle.
Toyota shouldn't be called cheap... they are high-quality vehicles like Accords are, and Toyota sets a high standard (I think that's what you meant by "stander") for refinement, like Honda.
Toyota is faster in automatic version, where Honda gets bonus points for having a 6MT option, that does under 6 sec to 60 MPH (see Feb 2006 Car and Driver).
By the way, it's VTEC, there is no "H" on Vtec except for the electronics company that makes cordless phones among other things.
Camry does have more fleet sales than Accord, but without the fleets, the Camry would still hold a lead in sales, although a MUCH smaller one (something I read on the midsize sedan forum said something like 14% of Camrys in 2005-2006 era were sold to fleets).
FYI The Camry and Lexus ES350 is the same car as the Honda Pilot and Acura MDX so according to you Honda can't really come up with their own original designs either?
FYI looks to me that Honda is does not want to compete with Toyota on all fronts. New CR-V is a joke. No third row and no V6.
Despite the 9 lb-ft advantage, it didn't seem to help the Camry in the last comparo, in which the outgoing Camry came in last (in both the test, and in acceleration, which was a second behind the Accord to 60 MPH).
Back to the CURRENT cars, shall we? And maybe we can avoid baseless comments like the "cheap" Accord? Or is that asking too much?
The Camry came in 3rd overall and was .01 second slower than the Accord and faster than the 2nd place Mazda6.
This is old news though, and we should be paying attention to the new Camry, in which the V6 is a rocket (the 4-cyl Camry leaves something to be desired compared to the Accord however, based on many reports on this site).
The Camry that I drove has the following options & prices
Base MSRP - 21,940 Invoice - 19,525
Package EJ - 1,000 750
Package SR - 940 752
Package CF - 199 126
Package RF - 200 160
Destination - 620 620
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Total MSRP - 24,899 Invoice - 21,933
California Emissions[16] (CA)
- Color-Keyed Rear Lip Spoiler (RF)
- JBL® AM/FM 6-Disc In-Dash CD Changer w/8 Speakers in 6 Locations, Satellite Radio Capability[7], MP3/WMA Playback Capability, Aux. Audio Jack, and Bluetooth®[8] Wireless Technology. (EJ)
- Moonroof Package includes: Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof w/Sliding Sunshade, Dual Illuminated Visor Vanity Mirrors w/Dimmer Control & Rear Personal Reading Lights (SR)
I am getting it for $21,800 + taxes etc for $23,970 on road in SFO Bay area.
I also test drove the 2007 Accord SE whose drive I liked more than the Camry (less noisy & quiet) but I like the looks and features in the Camry. The price on the Accord is
19,988 + tax.
Since I have to decide on which to buy I need some expert opinions on the cars above. I will really appreciate it.
Thanks
Jay
Which car was less noisy & quiet - the Camry or Accord. IMO the Accord is considerably noisier on the highway - especially concrete roads.
The 4cyl Accord is a great car & very reliable - since it is in its last year of the revision cycle most of the bugs should be worked out.
I wouldn't buy the Camry because of the hesitation problem. You can read about it in the Camry Problems & Solutions forums. There is a Service Bulletin out right now that was supposed to fix the glitch but many are still reporting problems. Trust me - a co-worker drove one for a day as a loaner car & they can be dangerous when you need to accelerate.
Also, the Camry is a first year re-design & will inherently have bugs that will need to be worked out. Even a first year Lexus has issues.
IMO the Accord is probably the best deal if you can deal with the choppy ride & road noise. It will give you great gas mileage & years of trouble free operation.
I drove the Camry on the same freeway (on different exits as the dealerships were about 12 miles apart) and I could feel the engine noise.
I wouldn't buy the Camry because of the hesitation problem
Can you please elaborate? Is this problem with the SE only or all versions of 2007 Camry
Many are not still reporting hesitation problems.
Sicom007, here is a link regarding the hesitation issue.
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Read post #2323. Decide for yourself. If the issue is resolved then good work on Toyota's behalf.