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Oldsmobile Alero



  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    If it wasn't for all the rebates and the Olds credit we would be getting a smaller car also. We are on a thin budget for a while until the day care thing eases off. Such is life.

    That base Cavalier is a real steal at $12K. Even get ABS on that, not bad!
  • cpwingnutcpwingnut Posts: 49
    Yeah, too bad the Ecotec is not available though. I called the dealer yesterday and he'll give it to me for $11400. I dont think you can even get a Kia for that price? I'm still going to try for another Olds credit though. I'd love another Alero.

    BTW - misprint on last mes.(current GL is $23510. oops)
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Apparently ABS will not be standard next year so you better get a 2002 model. GM is dropping standard ABS from most cars next year, making it an option. I heard the Ecotec is standard next year though.

    $11400 is a steal.

    We have an appointment to test an Alero and a Malibu Saturday. $1000 upgrade applies to both so we may as well see if the Alero really is better. I've never driven a Malibu.
  • cpwingnutcpwingnut Posts: 49
    I,m jealous. Its always fun going out and trying different cars. We only drove a few models because we were in a hurry for a new car. I wanted to wait for the Vibe or the Vue. They had a Vue at the local saturn dealer but it was the V6. No 4cyl. until April. It drove nice but it felt underpowered so I felt the 4 would be worse. I drove a Vibe last week and am glad I went with the Alero afterall. I never really considered the Malibu. I didn't care to much for the styling and the extra $750 off the Alero was to much to pass up. I'm sure they are quite similar though.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    That's funny, those are the vehicles we have already tested. We tried a 4cyl 5-speed VUE about a 2 months ago. It was very nice (actually I loved it) and peppy with the stick. Unfortunately with the power package, ABS and 5.9% rates, it's not cheap and my wife wanted the CVT. Payment would have been about $465/mo. incl tax.

    The VIBE was pretty nice but my wife didn't care for it. I liked mostly everything but the steering (too close to the dash) and the engine which is a bit noisy. Rates were a bit better at 3.9%, but with my wife opposing it for the most part, not going to happen.

    I'm pretty sure we will get the Alero at this point. $3000 of free money and 1.4% lease is hard to resist, especially on such a nice car.
  • cpwingnutcpwingnut Posts: 49
    Where did you test the 4cyl Vue. My local dealer said that they were not available until April? I guess because the CVT was not ready yet? They didn't say anything about the 5 speed. Oh well, I found the V6 a bit noisy anyway. Maybe because it was the AWD? I was surprised how peppy the 2.2L ecotec is though. Passes great on the highway. The break-in is finaly over and I can open her up a bit. WOO HOO !!!
  • isseyvooisseyvoo Posts: 121
    Anyone ever visited the site? Almost brought a tear to my eye.
  • cpwingnutcpwingnut Posts: 49
    I went to that site and sent a message. Hope it helps. But then I was just surfing some links on the site when I found the Alero page. What a price difference. I priced my GL (the same as the GL2 but with the 2.2L)and it came out to about $21600 US. Thats over $34000 cdn. Thats $10000 more than I paid. No wonder Olds is closing because they cant sell cars. They are way overpriced. It floored me when I saw that.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I'm in Oakville ON. 5-speed VUEs have been around for a while now. A guy in my building has a white one I see every day. They are very smooth and car like vehicles, well priced in the 4 cyl. form. I tested the V6 also, but I don't need the AWD and they are a bit pricey.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    Anyone own or test driven a 2002 model with the new Ecotec engine? If so, what did you think? I never liked the old "twin cam" four much, but the auto press has given pretty good reviews to the Ecotec. Reason I ask is my girlfriend is starting to want a new car and with the discounts a base Alero or GL1 model would probably be in her budget. The 5 year 60K warranty is also a big perk. I would obviously go with a GL2 V6 or GLS model, but the lower end models is about all she wants to spend on a car. So I'm curious how the new four is doing.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    As I said in the Intrigue forum, I test a 2.2L GX this morning. Very smooth engine, quiet and very peppy. We drove a V6 Malibu to compare, but the Alero was clearly a much nicer car. 5 year warranty is a nice point. Can you use your Olds loyalty for her car?
  • Hello Everyone,

    I have an 01 GLS coupe with all options except the moonroof. During the last year or so of ownership (19,000+ miles), I have only had a couple of minor problems. I had the driver side mirror replaced and although the new one vibrates less than the old one, it certainly does still get blurry around 70-80 mph. But I hate to lose the car for a day or 2 while they go and paint the new mirror, so I just put up with it.

    My main concern now is I had all the windows tinted, and the power windows seem to scratch off the tint in big vertical streaks on each side of the car. I think there may also be scratches dug into the glass itself. Has anyone else with tinted or even untinted windows had this issue? I've heard of people having problems with scratched glass but I can't seem to find any posts here that describe this irritating phenomenon. Cars shouldn't have their windows scratched just because someone likes to roll them down and up. Certainly the [non-permissible content removed] cars don't do this.

    In any case, these minor irritating probs aside, I do enjoy the european-style ride afforded by the sporty suspension and 16 in rolling stock. Minor quibble about the outside appearance is the large space between wheel and fender. Other than that, I do think these are beautiful cars and it's a shame GM couldn't find a marketable image for Olds, since they did make some nice cars (ie, the '75 cutlass supreme 350). I'm 26 years old, and if I make some fat cash one day I'd love to have one of those old cutlass supreme's to dust those pesky rice rockets around town.

    Thanks for reading, and if anyone has any insight about the glass problem I'd love to hear about it. Happy driving and I hope your motoring is trouble-free.
  • rdeschenerdeschene Posts: 329
    We haven't had this problem, but I do recall some other Alero forum posters mentioning it. I searched the posts. Here are the ones I found that mention scratched windows:

    #720, #728, #736, #778, #1115

    Post #728 mentions a technical service bulletin on window scratches. Hope this helps!
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    I'm with you on the restored old Cutlass. I'd love a cherry red 70 442 convertible. BTW, I'm 26 too and found that Olds had a very appealing line of cars. I've got a 2001 Intrigue GLS which is an absolute blast to drive and fun to show these kids with the little four bangers with fart pipes what a real car with a real engine is. That is interesting about your tinting problem. I've considered getting the windows tinted on my Intrigue as it would not only keep the interior cooler(mine is black with a dark grey interior) but I think it would look pretty good as well. Does the scrathcing occur on all the windows or just one? BTW, I thought I had alot of miles on my 01 at 14K but your way ahead of me. If your like me, a great car just makes you want to take the long way home.
  • cpwingnutcpwingnut Posts: 49
    So how did your test drive go yesterday dindak? Did it help you make up your mind? I took mine for its first long trip this weekend (1400km to Quebec and back). It handled great on the highway but you could feel all the bumps on those Quebec roads with the sport suspention. Good thing we take care of our roads better here in On.

    The fuel mileage was great too. I set the cruise at 120 and I got around 8.1 L/100km. I guess you have to go through quite a break-in period before the fuel mileage goes down. I was getting horrible mileage for the last two months. It has just over 5k now. So expect the same with yours.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    We tested the Alero and Malibu on Saturday. Malibu has a nice V6, but the handling is soft as are the seats and brakes. The interior is not as nice as Alero either IMO.

    Alero was great. Loved the Ecotec, strong brakes, handling and the new RDS stereo. I will likely fax an offer over today or tomorrow. I didn't discuss pricing at all as I clearly knew more about the car than the sales man (he said it had drums in the back and keyless entry, nither of which is true). Better just to cut to the chase I always say.

    Where abouts do you live?
  • benhumbenhum Posts: 1
    Back in February I started a new job that requires a 170 mile round trip commute each day. Rather than destroy my Jeep Grand Cherokee, I decided to get a smaller, cheaper car with better gas mileage. I started looking at the Pontiac Sunfire but then the wife said "What does Oldsmobile have"? So I started looking at a Bright Red Alero GL1 coupe. I immediately fell in love with the styling of the car. I took it out for a test drive and proceeded to buy it. The list price was $20,570. I used the GM Supplier discount to get to $18,977. There was the $2,002 GM rebate plus the $1,500 Olds loyalty rebate. And I had about $1,300 in GM Credit Card points. So I paid just over $14,000 plus tax which I thought was a great price for the car. So far I have just under 5,000 miles on the car in 7 weeks. The only problem so far is that the lighter is shot. I'll have to stop in and get another one. The 2.2L Ecotec seems very smooth to me for a 4 cylinder. It also has decent power although I don't do any tire squealing starts anymore! Most of my driving is highway at a speed around 75 mph which has the engine going around 2,750 rpm. Of course there is also the expected expressway congestion that I sit in every day here in Chicagoland as well. The mileage is averaging around 27 mpg. This is a little less that I expected. I was hoping that with all highway driving I would get close to the 32 mpg EPA estimates. Perhaps if I slowed down a little bit I might get closer, but I don't really want to add any more time to my commute than necessary.

    So far I've been very happy with the Alero and I hope that the reliability will be there in the long run. I am not too worried about depreciation because with all the miles I'll be putting on it it doesn't matter. The intent was to save putting so much mileage on the much more expensive Jeep. Besides, my oldest son is going to start driving soon and this will be a good car to send him off to college in in a few years.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    Good move on getting the Alero over the Sunfire. The J-body Cavalier/Sunfire are aging quickly(last redesigned in 1995) and the Alero/Grand Am twins are not alot more expensive and are far superior cars.
  • cpwingnutcpwingnut Posts: 49
    In case I haven't mentioned it yet! LOL. I'm in Ajax didak. I cant believe the salesman thought it had drum brakes. The 4 wheel disc is one of its selling features. When I thought about getting the GX instead, I wasn't bothered about no keyless because it still had power locks and with an aftermarket remote starter you can get the keyless feature too. I actualy reconsidered my choice because the GX 4dr wasn't available with a spoiler or aluminum wheels. I like to ride in style :)

    Let us know how the negotiations go. My offer still stands if you want a hardcopy of all my figures from GM to help in the negotiations.

    Glad to hear that you like your GL benhum. I cant believe that you commute that far. Wow. I thought I had a long commute everyday at 150km(105miles). Unfortunately mine is in rush-hour trafic accross the city so I cant enjoy the ride as much.
  • hengheng Posts: 411
    but not the Supreme. If you get one you better set aside time and money to work on the motor. It was all low end. It had a 4 barrel Rochester but with the gas pedal floored it took forever and a lot of pavement to get up to 85 mph from 60 mph. It definitely would need intake, exhaust and cam work.

    Todays cars are much quicker and we will save ride and handling for another discussion.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Well, the day ended up differently than I expected. Fully intended to buy from the local dealer, but their best price was about $700-800 more than the price I got from Humberview via Local refused to match it so I agreed to buy from Humberview.

    Price was C$20886 + freight ect. and tax for a ruby red GX with auto and power seat. Pretty fair and almost what I thought I could get it for. I wanted polo green, but then my wife decided she liked the red better so I caved as I like the red just so much.

    Still have to sign the papers and finalize it all. Should pick it up the end of next week as we have paid for this month's lease anyway. Looking forward to getting the car!!
  • cpwingnutcpwingnut Posts: 49
    I'm sure you'll love it. We thought about the Ruby Red too but my bro-in-law just bought an Accord in that same color so we chose the silver. It has been great at hidding the dirt and salt, it never looks dirty.

    I've heard good things about Humberview. Its a little out of your way though! I work close to them and was there two weeks ago to test drive a 99 jetta for a second car but we were too far apart on the trade of my 96 jetta. Should have taken the offer because a few days later my engine blew. $3500 later and I'm rolling again. But it was nice driving the Alero for two weeks while it was down. I hate to put too many k's on it though.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Humberview is not far, it's 15-20 minutes down the QEW. I actually know the dealership also as we have tested a couple of cars there in the past. Gray would have been great, but our Intrigue is gray and I don't want two cars the same color. Red should not be too bad to keep clean, better than the black we have now for sure!

    Sorry to hear your Jetta died. Are you still getting the $12K Cav?
  • cpwingnutcpwingnut Posts: 49
    It was pretty peppy for a 115hp 2.2L. After the last two days though I'm not sure I want to get a car w/o air. My Jetta has a 3 month warranty with the used engine I had put in so I'll ride it out till June. At least it has air.

    I looked at some 99-01 Aleros but I have read lots of posts about brake rotor problems and other things like that. And the 2.4L is not supposed to be very good either. Maybe thats just compared to the 2.2L though. They had a nice Black one there. But no 5 speed :(

    Your right about black though. My Jetta is black and it always looks dirty. Even one day after washing it. And all the scratches show very easily.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    The base Cavalier 2.2L is actually not that bad, especially with the stick. For the price, it's a good deal. The only down side is that city mileage is not all that great.

    The old 2.4L in the Alero is ok, but it's pretty noisy from what I remember when testing a Z24 back in 1996/97. Maybe the late models are better. Lots of power though!
  • shanianshanian Posts: 26
    The Alero 2.2 Ecotec is actually 140hp not 115.
    Horsepower: 140hp @ 5600 rpm
    Torque: 150ft-lbs. @ 4000 rpm
  • cpwingnutcpwingnut Posts: 49
    Thanks, but I already knew that. I was talking about the 2.2L SFI in the base Cavalier (see end of previous post). I was thinking of getting one of those as a second car.

    But while were on the subject, Anyone know how to get extra ponies from the 2.2 Ecotec? Maybe a chip or exhaust. There must be someing out there, these engines have been around for over a year now.
  • rdeschenerdeschene Posts: 329
    As this engine is also used in the Saturn L-series, might be a good place to look for links to chip/exhaust manufacturers that offer products. I would definitely say you'd want "hardware" that's for the Alero specifically, as I'm sure there's many differences in the two implementations of the same power plant.

    Good luck, and maybe post what you find and do for others?
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    rsm racing has a bunch of stuff
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