Older Honda Accords

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  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    If regular is recommended, use it. Premium will be a waste of money.
  • moonkatmoonkat Member Posts: 265
    Peter85:
    The EX V6 MSRP/Invoice is $25,800/23,214.76 plus $460 Destination and Handling. EX V6 only comes in leather.

    That totals - $26,260/$23,674.76

    Ickes & Dudley: 250 hp in an Accord....how times have changed!!!
    I did see that in reviews, but not the 10 lbf torque increase.
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    glideslopes:
    Just thought I would pass on some info I had read. Before I do though, I want to let you know that I HAD always believed that if you used premium fuel (when only reg was required) you would improve power and fuel effeciency.

    That was until I read an article about how the previous generation of accords and Odyssey's actually lost peformance when premium was used including the last V-6. I was shocked. It seems that when honda said regular, they meant regular.

    I think this is the first time they have said "go ahead and use regular but feel free to try out the premium"...paraphrased with a grin.

    Just thought I would pass on what I have read on the Internet. (These were actual test done on a number of cars and the effects of premium gas.)
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    The 99-01 Ody's do get a 5 HP from use of premium as per my owner's manual. I recall the teaser articles just before the new Accord was introduced that the project manager said you would get an extra 10 HP on the V6 with premium.
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    That's the first time I've heard about this. Who told you that both temperature gauge and fogs can't co-exist?!
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    the temp. gauge is a standard feature, so i dont know why it would keep the fogs from working. the outside thermometer is not in the front of the car, so there is enough space for the fogs...enlighten us...how would this happen???
  • agie1agie1 Member Posts: 25
    I went to dealer in NY and the salesperson quote me 2003 accord including $395 fee and $95 other fees. He said the $395 is a new fee related the 9/11 and this is going to NY state. Is this true?
    Has anyone heard about this fee?
    Also, he asked for $300 deposit, he charged it to my credit card, first he said it is refundable, then when I cancelled the transaction, he said he can't refund it. If I dispute this charged to the credit card company, would they refund it?
    Please anyone help me to solve this problem.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    unless they try to wire the fog lights to the temp gauge wiring. I imagine Honda engineers would have a separate wire harness for the fog lights. Don't sound right to me.
  • inkyinky Member Posts: 370
    End your deal now with this dealer.
    He is dishonoring everything this country was founded on. These words are strong but I am appauled anyone would even attempt such nonsense to gain profit. This place should be boycotted.
    While our service people are and prepare to go in harms way--we have a civilian trying to make a buck. rrrrrr.
    INKY
  • tanveermtanveerm Member Posts: 42
    Hi all...just signed the deal on an '02 EX V6. In Canada comes with standard Honda warranty (3-yr bumper-to-bumper and 5-yr powertrain). Any advice on whether or not I need to extend to a 6yr/60 warranty? FYI Cost quoted was Cdn$737.

    Thanks
  • agie1agie1 Member Posts: 25
    Inky,
    I went to the same dealer again, I told them to refund the first charge (on debit card) and gave them my other credit card. However, he run a new charge $300 on my credit card and he did not refund the debit card, because he said his bank is closed. The charge went through, but I do not want to sign it. So this deposit become $600 now. Do you think I can get it back, if I end this deal?
    What if I pay cash for the car, and ask them to match the price on the newspaper ad and waive the fees? Are they gonna accept this deal?
    Should I deal this with their general manager?
    Any suggestions?
  • gmg1031gmg1031 Member Posts: 12
    I would immediately file a formal complaint with American Honda regarding what your dealer has done. I am completely appalled.

    The abhorrent practices conducted by your dealer discredit and dishonor the basic business fundamentals that should be synonymous with every other Honda dealer (Japanese OR American-made) in this country. In fact, if I'd experienced what you had, I would publish the name and location of the dealer with whom you've experienced this debacle. At least others can be warned.

    Good luck, and I hope you are able to locate a dealer of true integrity just like 99.9% of all Honda dealers are, nationwide.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    This dealership should be shut down for such a tatic! Whoever is in charge of that dealership should be prosecuted!
  • ironmanterpironmanterp Member Posts: 57
    Check with them to see what your options are regarding reimbursement. Often, the credit card company will become your advocate in such disputes. If the charge is questionable or fraudulent, the company can refund your money or limit your damages to $50.

    Good luck and stick to your guns. No way does the excuse about the bank being closed hold water. A charge can be voided as easily as it was rung up. A call to the Better Business Bureau and NY's State's Attorney's or Attorney General's office can't hurt either.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    any of you guys ever notice that the colour on the rear fascia doesn't always match the rear quarter panel on the new accords? just noticed it on friday when i was over visiting a friend at the local honda shop. was very noticeable on a beige ex, but not as noticeable on the darker colours...

    seems many car makers are running into this problem as they try to make plastic and sheet metal combine more elegantly with flatter surfaces that reflect light at different angles...
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I would have the dealer give you something in writing that says they are charging you a $395 fee that's supposedly going to NY State and then take it to the local state office and see if it's true. If not I'm sure they will come down pretty hard on the dealer. As well, contact American Honda and let them know what their dealer is doing if it is indeed a false charge. Something like that would not look good on Honda.
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Saw the '03 Accord in person for the first time yesterday. Didn't get to drive one. Some brief first observations are:

    The front end and hood look MUCH better in person than in photos. The way the hood lines cut in gives the front fenders a S2000-esque look. Overall very masculine and stylish.

    The back end still looks somewhat stubby. And the "smiling" taillights will take some getting used to.

    The quality of the interior material is better than the '02. The leather seems to be of a higher quality. It actually has a nice leather smell, which is not typical of Honda leather. The steeing wheel in particular has a nice heft to it.

    IMO, I can't say that the new dash is any more stylish than the old one. Just different.

    The interior seems a smidgeon less roomy in all dimensions than the '02. Cozier, but less roomy.

    Trunk area is higher, but shallower, I think. And they did away with the handy side pocket and tray.

    There is NO flashing LED light for the security system. The salesman told me that's a dealer-installed option! Maybe he was out to lunch but he seemed like he knew what he was talking about. But anyway, I just find it odd that they would eliminate something like that. Maybe Honda figures it's more upscale not to have blinking lights. Mercedes don't come with flashing LED, I don't believe. But it makes in less user-convenient, IMO.

    The style of the alloys are only so-so. Kinda plain-looking.

    Colour selection for the Canadian models are, as usual, pitiful.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    The flashing LED for the security system is in the instrument cluster in US spec Accords. So unless the Canadian spec Accord differs in this regard...
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    I guess being top dog in hp ratings in its class is a key element in Nissan's marketing of the Altima. As a result, Nissan has reacted to the 240 hp Accord V-6 by raising the hp rating of the 2003 Altima V-6 to 245. No mention on their site of how they achieved this increase, so I can't help but suspect that there's more marketing than engineering involved in achieving it. Of course, you still need to use premium to get that extra 5 hp.
  • inkyinky Member Posts: 370
    Honda then will on the side say 250 hp with premium. The Altima interior quality is sorely lacking compared to HOnda. I will also say the 3.5 Nissan unit is not nearly as efficient as the Accord V-6.
    INKY
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Hmm, so maybe that salesman DIDN'T know what he was talking about afterall. Certainly isn't the first, nor will it be the last, time for a salesman!
  • crashnburn2crashnburn2 Member Posts: 23
    Hi, I have a 1999 Accord EX 4 cylinder and was wondering what I should trade it in for. Maybe a new Accord EX with Automatic in Satin Silver, Graphite Pearl, Redondo Red, or Noble Green. Please tell me about the paint of these colors and if you have problems with your EX. Any options that I should get? I am in New York City
  • snuke59snuke59 Member Posts: 29
    I have searched my owners manual and although it provides operating instructions for the CD/AM/FM stereo, it doesn't provide technical stereo information. Does anyone know more technical information regarding the stereo for the 2000 V6, Accord, i.e., wattage, etc.?
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    I finally stopped for a look at the new Accord. The dealer was extremely busy, so I did't drive.

    Overall, I'd say the new car is better than the '02 in almost every respect. The interior materials and finish are definately a cut above. The first thing I noticed were the seats, which have a much more enveloping backrest. The center console radio and HVAC controls are definately top notch. I liked the sliding armrest and the door arm rests are more comfortable too.

    Disappointments: The high dash and sill line are really different and would take getting use to. And, the rear seat seems really low. I have only a 30" inseam, but felt like my knees were well above my hip. Lots of headroom however, as a result. The biggest disapointment remains those stupid gooseneck hinges. Combined with the short rear deck, they really reduce the usefullness of an aready small trunk...
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I have no idea why Honda decided to still use the goose neck hinges when Toyota is using, IMO, the most brilliant set up in the sedan category.

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    Just a minor thing, though. Our 99 Accord's "measly" trunk is pretty spacious for the family's need, despite it having the smallest rating (?) in the midsize category.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    see VW Passat, Mazda6, and OLDS INTRIGUE. Also, Camry at least has a 16 cu ft trunk...
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    image

    I still prefer Toyota's approach. It's just simpler and aesthetically superior than the struts.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    trunk opening. Its a better solution than what Honda has given use with the Accord. BTW, do you keep a supply of trunk.jpg files?
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    LOL...I get them from the Edmunds articles.

    Couldn't find one for the Intrigue, though. And I have no idea how you could tell for the Mazda 6...haven't seen a pic with the trunk opened.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Struts make it harder to open/close. My wife hates it. Many high end cars don't use struts like Lexus GS300 and BMW 7-series, may be because hinges make it easier to apply the 'power' feature.
  • bklynguybklynguy Member Posts: 275
    According to a press release on the XM Radio website, XM Radio should be available for the 03 Accord, Pilot and MDX starting on Oct. 1

    One way to know for sure, would be to check Honda's website on Oct.1 and build your Accord, XM Radio should be listed in the audio upgrade section along with the cassette and MP3 player if its available.

    It will cost $ 9.95 a month for about 100 channels of digital music, talk & news. So far it has received good reviews and even some awards. Tall buildings can interfere with the signal but "repeaters" are being installed to solve this problem ( this may take some time )

    Channels include CNN, weather channel, discovery channel, ABC News, Fox news, CNBC, USA Today radio, CNET radio, disney, ESPN, NASCAR radio, BBC world radio, Bloomberg radio and dozens of music & talk channels.
  • andrewdnaandrewdna Member Posts: 32
    Cant decide what color to get for a 02 coupe. I heard that black and white dont make much difference to interior temp....anyone have experience with a black car?
  • andrewdnaandrewdna Member Posts: 32
    How much is a 02 EX sedan going for from the MSRP price? My dealer offered a 03 Ex sedan at MSRP. I wasnt looking for a 03 sedan, but he showed me one and I kind of like it. It'll be cheaper in 6 months but if he throws in a 100k warranty and the obligatory floor mat...I might buy it. Any insight greatly appreciated.
  • irish24irish24 Member Posts: 43
    have seen ads from high volume dealers w 4K off 02 ex and 4600 off 02 EXV6 sedans
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Floor mats are included in EX (not an accessory), so why would your dealer throw it in? Or did it change with 2003?
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I've had several black cars now I have a white one and there is a big difference. Even without tinted windows the white car stays a bit cooler. Depending on where you live though it might not make much of a difference.

    They are advertising 02 EX V6 sedans for $20,900 here and LX coupes for $14,900. 03 LX sedans are $18,500. Lease on an 03 EX sedan is $299 a month with nothing down.
  • jimsxnjimsxn Member Posts: 108
    Had a touchy-feely with the new Accord yesterday, it looks much better than the photographs would suggest. Also, there is a major improvement in seat comfort. Strangely, it doesn't seem too large...kind of enveloping the driver. Can't wait to test-drive though.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    we test drove an EX 4 cylinder automatic a few weeks ago and even though we aren't automatic people I would've had no problem buying it. Makes me think that once I drive the 5-speed I am going to start begging for one .....
  • jfigueroa1jfigueroa1 Member Posts: 209
    Talking from pass experience black cars look good after a good wax job but it is harder to get good
    results,plus any lil scrash will show more easy than maybe any other color.
    Greetings from sunny Miami.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Four of my last six cars have been black, and I live in Texas. Next could be too.
  • prebmwprebmw Member Posts: 23
    I just sold a 2000 black Accord and bought a 2003 white Accord. All I can say is stay away from the black if at all possible. It looks great for about two hours after you wax it - assuming that you don't get swirl marks. It will show every small blemish or scratch. It does take longer to cool in the summer. I am almost obsessed with car care and the black almost did me in. Even the salesman at the local dealer hate delivering new black Accords because of swirl marks and keeping them dirt free until the customer takes delivery. I will agree, however, that for the two hours after it is detailed, the black looks great! However, I would recommend that you do yourself a favor and not get black.
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    Hi fellas,


    mackabee:

    bodydouble:

    bowke:


    sorry for not writing back sooner (weekend and all).


    http://www.collegehillshonda.com/instructions/03accord/tempgauge.pdf


     Top of the Document:


    "NOTE: The outside temperature gauge cannot be

    installed if the vehicle is equipped with optional

    fog lights."


    I'm just going on what I've read folks. If anyone knows better please let me know. I've even talked to Dealership owners and they don't know anything about it.


    Thanks,


    Amin


    Can someone tell me how to post a picture....

  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    How do you suppose the graphite color holds up? I agree with most comments here that Black looks great right after you wash/ it, but that it doen't wear well.

    I'm leaning towards silver (which on our '01 shows paint chips because of black primer underneath). The outside color is ok, but I REALLY like that all black interior. But, I saw a graphite car up close this weekend and really liked it. Thoughts?
  • mdx_kidmdx_kid Member Posts: 33
    Drove both the I-4 nad the V-6 this weekend. If somebody wants the I-4 then Camry is a better bet. The power delivery and refinement is unbeatable whereas the Accord I-4 gives that cheap feel and really works hard to keep up. But the V-6 definitely smokes every other car. The handling and the driving dynamics change dramatically. We are going to finalize on a V-6 this week. The V-6 definitely is more sportier of the two. My 2 cents.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...perfectly adequate and more pleasant to drive than the Camry, so I guess we have a classic difference of opinion. I do not think the 6 is necessary to make this a good-driving car, but no one who buys the 6 will get an argument from me - it is clearly the class of this class. I just don't think it's necessary to make this an enjoyable car.
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    Test drove an I4 and a Camry SE V6...One right after the other.

    Loved the I4 (EX with leather). Felt the same as the EX V6 inside (cockpit feel). Power was sufficient.

    My brother and I both liked the accord (v4) even more then the Camry SE V6.

    My brothers only complaint was the sunroof window was smaller then other cars or even the 2002 accord.
  • moonkatmoonkat Member Posts: 265
    Had an 02 Camry 4cyl rental for several days. Week later got to drive the 03 Accord iVtec4. Liked the i4 much better than Camry 4cyl; noticeably less torque than i4, and the Camry was surprisingly noisy.

    robertsmx said it best; the i4 is like a small 6 (in his example the 626 2.5l 6cyl).
  • parnolaparnola Member Posts: 141
    Black cars are hotter in the summer and more work to keep looking good, but it's oh so worth it!
  • john284john284 Member Posts: 71
    from a very good dealer here in MD, Herson Honda, the Eternal Blue Pearl is a new lovely one, The car got everything you could ask for, a pleasure to drive, to buy, and hopefully to own.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I think red is the best color for the new Accord. But that's because I'm partial to red.
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