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bodydouble:
i heard western canada has really nice weather, but i really didn't have a choice since my dad found a place in McGill faculty of medicine, and i have too transfered to McGill. (first day here, i'm already wishing i speak french
As for McGill - great choice I've heard. The Harvard of Canada. Tuition is less that US$10K per year or so international students and it's an Ivy League education.
I'm not a fan of Altima's styling. It looks bulkier than it is. It looks better from a distance. May be I'm too old at 30.
If there were something I would change in Accord's styling, it would be the way tail lamps wrap around on the side. They should have been a little more edgier to go with the headlamps (as they are in the Coupe). In Coupe, the tail lamp is an evolution of first generation TL with sharper edges and reflects the headlamps (usual Honda practice, as it has been with Accords). In Sedan, the tail mirrors the shape of the grill. Ofcourse, I don't expect most people to connect and evaluate styling.
Here's something else to remember: although you'll have to lay out funds for repairs to keep an out-of-warranty car running, this cost is in most cases more than offset by lower depreciation expense. Your new $20K car will shed at least $4,000 in value during its 1st year, while a 4-year-old Accord shouldn't give up much more than a thousand. The difference will more than cover any conceivable repair costs.
I kept my last Honda Accord, an '87 LXi that I bought new, for almost 12 years. During the last 3 years that I owned the car, my outlays for repairs averaged less than $1K per year. As far as I can tell from my reading & from conversations with other Honda & Toyota owners, my experience was typical.
I saw a Buick (don't know which model) parked next to the Accord and from the rear they looked like siblings. Honda has done a better job with the Acura TSX, IMO.
TO ME, the car looks like a Honda, straight up. Further, all this talk I've seen over at the Mazda6 stream about how Accord's drive is bull too. It's softer than the Mazda6 and some Altimas for sure, but its no Taurus or Impala. Like C&D said, the Mazda6 sounds faster but the Accord goes faster...
Yeah, the lower edge of the tailights could have been done better, but its hardly Buick like.
I'm pretty much sold on taking delivery of one in exactly 21 months.
I toyed with the idea of a Mazda6 or a TSX, but our holiday travels convinced me otherwise. The Accord is about as small as I can go for now (until we get my wife an MDX).
I tested the Mazda 6s as well. I really liked its exterior styling (esp. in the dark grey color). The handling was better, but I didn't feel like the quality was all there. I couldn't get the seats in a comfortable position. The rear seats didn't have head rests. Had minimal interior storage. My wife hated the road rage red lighting. The rear seat drop down latch in the trunk was broken on the showroom floor model.
The Accord seemed like it was very well designed - things were really thought through.
First impressions - coming from an '02 EX-V6 Coupe, power is more than adequate, even with 4 people in the car. I can't wait to open it up all the way in a few hundred miles. It is smoother, quieter, feels more solid, handles better, and the interior is for the most part much nicer (love the dual zone climate control and heated seats). The ride is more firm than my '02, but certainly not uncomfortable. I like it. And the seats - most comfortable can remember sitting in.
A few people have commented on the cowl height and smaller windshield area compared to the previous generation. Sitting next to my wife's '02 Accord sedan, the windshield area appears smaller, and the cowl is definitely higher. I don't find these to be problems, however. Driving it, I feel like I am sitting "in" the car, not "on" it, and visibility isn't a problem. In the '02, I feel like I am sitting "on" the car. Guess that is a matter of opinion and preference, though.
I completely agree with your assessment on going from the 02 V6 to the 03. I had a 01 EX V6 coupe and although the V6 was smooth the car as a whole is no comparison for the 03.
Cowl height is definitely higher but it's not to a point where visibility is a problem.
jtac: Congratulations on the car. We also looked at a Mazda6 but felt the Accord was the better car for what we were looking for.
We used to own a 2000 EX-cloth and the steering wheel was to close to my thighs even when both the column and seat were adjusted. BTW, I'm 6' 210 lbs.
In the new EX-V6, the seat adjusts wonderfully to my frame and given the added ability to adjust the steering column, I have found a perfect driving position. And as a previous poster mentioned, it now does feel like I am sitting in the seat as opposed to sitting on the seat with the 2000.
As for the looks, it is o.k., but I really don't buy a car for the (exterior) looks. I'm more interested in the interior because that is what I ride in. I have the brushed metal (alum, or stainless, I'm not sure) with the black leather and the interior is super. I'll dress up the stain silver exterior with the full bra, and it should look just fine.
jg
(Just being a smart aleck... I know you mean satin silver...)
With this rather large headlight lens on Accord, I am afraid it can be easily damaged from high speed by pebbles like. What can I do protect this Tupper Ware plastic stuff with?
Thanks
I think all these do is ruin your paint. Grit gets cuaght undeneath and rubs back and forth.
They also trap heat. I've seen paint bubbled on hoods with these.
No personal experience but many people swear by it.
We are gonna get an Acurs RSX next, Out kids are out of the house, so it is time to have some fun. The style of the RSX is OK, but the dash is beautiful in its simplicity.
BUT, to each-- their own
Without a doubt, after 2000 miles in our 2003 EX-V6, this is the best car we have ever owned. The power blows away the BMW and the Audi. If Car magazines had any guts, they would do a staight up, side by side with these vehicles, and the Honda would blow the others away. Just because the Honda is $5,000 to $10,000 cheaper than the others they will not compare them. The only area where the BMW and the Audi compare is in handling.
To the victors go the SPOILS!
Thanks for the responses!!!!
Thanks!
Also, am I the only one who prefers the EXV6's wheels over the EX models? I feel the same way about the Altima, I like the 2.5S and 2.5SL rims better than the SE, but everybody disagrees with me about that.
Would someone tell me what's the difference between a 16' wheel and 15' wheel? If I choose an LX, do I get remote keyless entry? Actually, would someone please explain what's the advantage an EX accord can provide? Thanks a lot
It doesn't have the sunroof, which increases the headroom area, not that it's a problem for me, but I don't want something that I hardly use and could possibly leak and rattle in the future (and added weight where it's not welcome)
The alloy wheels are nice in the EX, but I can probably get my own set for good value and choose my own style. The LX does have remote keyless entry with engine immobilizer, just not an alarm system (which can be annoying for me).
The EX's 6-CD changer is not necessary for me either since 1 CD player is enough for what I listen to, which is mostly talk radio.
Rear disc brakes on EX is nice also, but for the $2k extra, I don't think it's worth it since most of the braking force is done by the front brakes which are disc already in LX. So better stopping in the rear contributes to maybe only around 5-10% overall braking ability.
There is one thing that would sway me towards EX, if they offered side curtain airbags in it, but currently it's only offered in the EX-V6, that's even more of an overkill for me. Maybe in the 2004 model year Honda will offer side curtains in more than just the EX-V6 lineup.
So there you have it, LX is a better value for me.
The EX over LX comparo:
EX has Electronic Brake Distribution. LX-no
EX 4 wheel disc brakes LX-rear drums
EX 16" Alloy wheels LX- 15" steel w/ covers
EX 6disc CD changer LX- CD player
EX Trims(metallic or wood) LX- none
EX sunroof LX-none
EX SAB LX-option
EX has a few nice options like the "courtesy light" and a couple others.
You could easily pay the 250 for SAB, but the rest could cost more than 1750 if you wanted it later.
The difference between a 15" and 16" wheel is the wheel diameter. Bigger wheels generally mean smaller tire height, and usually perform a little better since there is less "play" in the wheelwell.
15" tire size is 205/65/15
Where 205 is the width of the tread(205mm)
65 is aspect ratio.(205x65%=133.25mm)
15" is the wheel size.
Total tire size is roughly 25.66" w/ 10.66" of the height being the sidewalls of the tires. (133.25/25(mm/in) = 5.33"x2+15) rough estimate.
16" tire size is 205/60/16
Same way of reading except your sidewalls are 4.92" now. Total tire height is 25.84" except now 9.84" of sidewall height.
I also LOVE the wheels on the EX-V6! I don't understand you guys. I think they look really sporty the way they show so much of the wheels and brakes... so much of a clear view through... to me things that look like hub caps are those that blook the whole wheel area. The open wheel design to me makes the tires look more like low-profile tires or something! I like it. Oh, well.
I would actually love to see a comparo in braking between an EBD and non-EBD car...
and now i officially don't like drivers in quebec, three days in montreal, i've heard more honk than i've ever heard since i started driving, and they don't honk because you made a big mistake, but because they want you to go faster etc. a guy actually sticked his body out of the window and yelled obscenity at me just because i slowed down to look at street name. >:(