I see some discussion of Vehicle Stability control and how it might be added to Accords next year. How is this different from the Traction Control System Honda lists as being on this car? Anybody?
Traction control just prevents the wheels from spinning on acceleration and is useful when driving a powerful car on a slippery surface.
Traction control isn't needed so much on moderately powered cars, so the Accord V6 has it, but the 4 doesn't (but don't get the idea that the Accord 4 cylinder is slow because it's quite powerful--just not so powerful that it needs traction control).
ESC is very different and is a safety feature for any car--and especially for SUVs that are more likely to roll over............Richard
Thanks...I'm really considering buying one in August when my lease is up. I'd like to see the 2006 Accord first, but I may be a victim of timing if the 2006 doesn't hit the showroom until September. I only have 1 vehicle, so my hand is forced to buy in August.
If the dealer where you have your current lease wants to remain in your good graces, they may be able to allow you to go on a month-to-month extension of your old lease. It's cash flow for them and the leasing company. It can't hurt to ask.
Traction control is just as necessary on a 4 as on a 6 cylinder. One problem in our area is at intersections where snow is packed into glare ice at stoplights and stop signs due to warm tires rolling over it. When you try to start one wheel may be on glare ice and have NO traction. Traction control keeps it from spinning so the other wheel can move you forward. It's a feature Honda should have on all models, but doesn't.
"In a lot of the US, traction control would be of little use."
Can you explain that. I can think of a couple of times when my wheels slipped on a snow-covered road (some snow was plowed, but not all of the road) when starting at a traffic light. I had a 4-cylinder vehicle. Most states in this country get snow.
Maybe in 5 years when traction control and VSA are standard on all Hondas, we'll put this argument to rest.
I have had gravel on a road at an intersection cause a wheel to slip. I rarely make fast takeoffs but occasionally I have to depend on that to merge between cars instead of waiting forever for a light change or a hole in interstate traffic at I70/I75 merge.
I can understand it not being on the cheapest basic model for price comparisons. But like automatic headlights and power door locks that are tied to vehicle speed or gear selection, they should be on cars today.
I purchased a V6 LX in February and I am very happy with it. Like you, I find the V6 LX a good value for those that want the driving experience that the EX V6 provides, but do not like leather seating or a moonroof. I am 5' 11", but I also enjoy the extra headroom. For me, the seats are very comfortable. The material is similar to velour and you can't slide around as much as with leather, so keep that in mind for getting into and out of the car.
As for looks, my car is red and I was originally going to replace the standard black side sills with red, but now I like the looks. Sets it apart from all the EX's. The wheel covers could have better designed, but I am getting use to them. When it comes time for new tires I may get alloys.
The MPG is not that much lower than the I4 and I'm getting around 26 in combined driving. But I do like the power. No effort at all when merging into traffic, and no noticeable engine noise.
From what I read, they are rare because more people prefer all the bells and whistles in this price range. But for power and handling, the LX V6 and the EX V6 are exactly the same car.
Good luck with your purchase, but if you read the Prices Paid & Buying Experience board you will notice that buying an Accord lately is like buying a computer - the longer you wait, the cheaper they get.
How in God's name can you brag about the Michelin Energy MXV4 tires..I have a new 4-cyl LX sedan with about 650 miles on it. These tires are a piece of CRAP..They have virtually Zero traction on dry pavement and even less on wet surfaces, all they do is squirm. The carcass is hard as a rock and it feels like you are driving on gummy bears because the tread is so soft.. I feel that is why the ride is so harsh on bumps and ruts on city streets. Also the squirmy tread seems to change your direction when you hit small ruts and grooves in the road. The best part is when you turn the wheel and have to count to two before the tires decide that you requested a change in direction. Thought it might be alignment problem but if I drive on a pristine road it tracks dead straight but still very sluggish in change of direction requests. Yes I have 30psi in the fronts and 29psi in the rears per the book. Even tried 32/f and 31/r and only made the ride rougher and the tread squirm even more. Honda will lose repeat customers over their choice of these tires.
"They have virtually Zero traction on dry pavement" and "the tread is so soft".
Don't those statements contradict each other?
Anyway, consider your self lucky. Tires are much easier to replace than the rock-hard seats that bother some people.
"Honda will lose repeat customers over their choice of these tires." Maybe you are right. Honda has been using these type of tires for years. That might be why no one buys Hondas any more.
Yeah bobst, I hardly see any Accords on the road lately. Seriously, we rented an Accord LX 4-cylinder, it drove pretty well and the seats were comfortable (even after a 2-hour drive). I only wish the headrests were articulated. Maybe the 16" tires are better, I'm not sure. I only took a test drive of a EX V6 for about 10 mins.
I am not the only person who feels this way. Go to tirerack.com and read the reviews of many recent honda accord owners who feel much the same as I do. And you can filter out the results just for Honda Accord owner's comments. If Accords are selling so well lately why all the ever increasing factory to dealer incentives.
I thought styling had something to do with the poor sales, not the tires or seats. People always complain about the tires (same story with the Acura TL, Camry, Altima & the list goes on).
I understand that you are unimpressed with Hermann's Michelin tires. However your post #17292 comment "Honda has been using these type of tires for years. That might be why no one buys Hondas any more." intrigues me.
Yogi Berra, of the New York Yankees, was famous for his malapropisms. One of his more famous comments was "That restaurant has gotten so crowded that nobody goes there any more."
Yogi was also quoted as saying:
"It's deja vu all over again" "Why buy good luggage? You only use it when you travel." "When you get to a fork in the road - take it." "You can observe a lot just by watching." "He must have made that before he died." - Referring to a Steve McQueen movie. "I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early." "Baseball is 90% mental - the other half is physical." "It was impossible to get a conversation going; everybody was talking too much." "90% of the putts that are short don't go in."
...Honda in America seems to make one silly mistake after another - you know, the Pilot, the Odyssey, the Accord, the CR-V...sure makes you wonder how good they could be if they would only get their act together on things like tires and seats. Lots of disappointed owners out there - makes you wonder why so many people [like silly me, of course] have purchased more than one, huh?
I only buy Michelin replacement tires for our cars. The MXV4 is the best all-around choice for a touring car available right now, and assertions that they have no traction in either the dry or wet is contradicted by independent tests. And, their tires tend to be mostly round and straight, much more often than the competition. As noted, if you disagree, this is an easy problem to solve. I just wish Toyota were offering these "inferior" tires on more of their cars - with a Camry, you roll the dice based on what's on the dealer's lots....at any given time, there will be cars with Contis, Bridgestones, Goodyears, and Michelins...none of which are going to satisfy everyone.
I believe bobst exhibited what is known as sarcasm.
Personally, I dislike the MXV series from Michelin. I replaced the ones on my 98 Accord when they had 36K on them.
Why do so many manufacturers use them as OEM? Price and name brand. The OEM chooses a tire based on cost and performance features. Also it is a selling point. Michelin has created a premium image for itself. Car makers hope it rubs off on them.
It's a real bummer to hear that the AUX jack is already taken up by the XM. I agree that $200 is a bit much for the product, though on the positive side you can control the iPod using the radio and steering wheel controls, which sounds pretty handy.
I must say that I'm very disappointed with this stereo system. Sounds muddy, too much bass. Accord should at least have an option for a better system, for those interested, as I would guess that the majority of buyers don't care too much either way. But I do, and there isn't much I can do about it, given the integrated HVAC controls, etc.
And not to sound like some other posters here, I don't like the seats, either - they're horrible! But I'm not going to whine and complain about it - I'll be buying an Acura RDX next year, and I'll just suck up the $$$ loss.
The current music tastes seem to demand muddy, one note "rave" style bass. Just listen to most urban cars trolling the streets and you'll hear every low frequency sounding pretty much the same ( a pity for bass players (I used to be one), most of which really try to get real definition in their guitar's notes).
The technology today allows really tight, solid bass, even in a car.
I didn't say that no one would buy an Accord again, just that it will cost them some sales.Maybe a percent or so. If LX 4-cyl I bought turns out to be a good one and gives good dependable service and the dealer gives good service I will probally be back in a Honda product...But I will soon be going to my Firestone store for some Bridgestone Turanza's LS-H or V's with a 30-day test ride and see if improvements can be had
Once again...not everyone feels as you do. I happen to hate it when my doors lock by themselves. I can lock them quite easily myself IF I wanted them locked.
Same with the auto headlights. If I want them on, it takes me a half-second to do that.
I live in Southern Louisiana, where it rarely snows, so the lack of TCS on the 4 cyl isn't a big deal for me. Though it would be very nice to have for the rains we get here.
I love our MX-V's. Never had a problem out of them and I thought i drove pretty fast. I bought some off ebay for my GS300 and they were OEM on our Accord and my Civic Si. They drive like any other old tire to me.
Much better than the Conti's that I bought for my Civic when i upgraded wheel size.
They are features that you will like after you've had them. I never thought I needed power door locks and power windows. Then I had them on a car where there wasn't a choice, couldn't live without them. Leave the lights on, my car turns them off in 15 minutes it I used the switch; if they automatically came on they go off at the timed setting up to 2 minutes so I can get into a building with light.
We had a Cadillac with the auto lights and, to me, it wasn't a big deal. When I got rid of the Cadillac it wasn't something I missed.
Doors that lock by themselves are irrating to me since I don't want them locked.
Heck, my keyless remotes are in a drawer because I don't like the extra bulk when my keys are in my pocket. I'm more than capable of unlocking my doors ESPECIALLY when I have to have the key in my hand anyway to start the car.
I understand your point as well. I only meant to point out that what some people think is a "must have" isn't important at all to others.
Must be hard working in Marketing for Honda trying to please the masses while keeping prices under control!
You are free of the vices if you aren't using the remotes! I hadn't realize how I've become addicted to them also.
On the auto lights, I believe the Accord's headlights turn off after a few minutes even if left on? That's one thing about the auto light's I've liked -- no dead battery in the garage. (Yes, I left the lights on in my own garage without realizing it a few times long ago.)
Hello again, This is a follow-up to my original question (page 857 & 858) and to tanya2 and mrbill1957 who had some good suggestions. I could not find any vacuum or intake leaks or a problem with the PVC & EGR valves. After using all the suggestions and running out of things to try, I took my 85 Accord to a shop. The only thing that was found was the carb. idle screw had backed way out. It now runs good. Strange to say the least. Thanks for all the help!! Steve
I am a native SoCal driver and never thought I'd need the DSC on my 530i (I recently purchased an Accord EXL 6 cylinder as well) until one cold morning (below 36 degrees) when I hit a slippery overpass getting onto the 134 while quickly accelerating. The DSC engaged and kept me straight on the road. I am thankful for the technology even if I only need it once in a blue moon. My 2 cents.
Personally, I like the auto lights. I drive with mine on all the time anyway for safety reasons (so people can see me). I hate it when I start to pass on a two lane road just to find out that someone felt they shouldn't have their lights on yet because it just isn't dark enough for them to need them.
I loved my 94 Accord LX; anyone have a suggestion as to which model (say 2000-2004) handles the turns and drives as well as the 94 LX? I'd like to buy an Accord that might be 2-4 years old with low mileage.
Honda of America had a sorry #ss response. They sent me a booklet on "How Airbags Work." Pitiful. The owner of the body shop where the car was eventually towed said the bags should have deployed. He casually dropped the hint that I should hire an accident investigator to look into it. However, doing so would have meant delaying resolving my claim, and with three drivers and one working car it was all I could to keep my sanity. Even though I have rental insurance, my 17 year old son would not qualify to drive a rental. 18 years of age was the cut off in collision cases. I did file a written safety alert as advised by Consumer Reports. So after 1 month of paperwork and phone calls, I received a good settlement as the car was totaled. In fact I was able to move up to the V6 EXL from the 4 cylinder and pay less per month. Hopefully I will not need to find out if the airbags will or will not deploy in this car.
I have owned a 99, 01, 03, and 04 Accord. Also had a 91 and a 93. I don't think there's that much of a difference between them. All versions have had the same basic suspension set up with minor revisions and better technology along the way. My husband loves the 90-93 but since you are looking at newer Accords I would have to say the 03+ handles marginally better than the 98-02. However, the other advantages the 03+ has over the 98-02 are enough to make me choose it. Not that the 98-02 is a bad car. In fact, I loved both my 99 sedan and my 01 coupe.
>Hello, (original post) I own a 1985 Honda Accord 1.8L Carb. automatic with 110,000 miles. While driving in the city, one moment it started running horrible and I barely made it home. A few weeks before it had a complete tune-up (plugs, wires, cap and rotor, timing, all filters, compression test 110-130, valve adjustment etc) and passed CA smog the first try. The car runs normal when cold, but when the choke opens and the engine idles down, it runs on two cylinders. When cold and idling I can pull the plug wires off at the dist. cap one at a time and each wire makes the engine rpm lower about the same. But when the choke opens it starts running horrible, I can pull the wires on cylinders 3 and 4 and it doesn't change the rpm at all. If I take either of 1 or 2 cyl. wires off the engine dies. In other words, when cold all cylinders are normal, but once it warms up and the choke opens and idles down, I can take the 3 & 4 plug wires off and it makes on change to the rpm. I've sprayed carb cleaner every where I thought an intake/carb leak might be and found >none. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! --------------- >Hello again, This is a follow-up to my original question (page 857 & 858) and to tanya2 and mrbill1957 who had some good suggestions. I could not find any vacuum or intake leaks or a problem with the PVC & EGR valves. After using all the suggestions and running out of things to try, I took my 85 Accord to a shop. The only thing that was found was the carb. idle screw had backed way out. It now runs good. Strange to say the least. Thanks for all the help!! >Steve -------------- After doing more research I found that the mechanic unplugged the air temperature switch (which is just inside the fresh air in pipe that supplies air to the carb) and increased the engine idle to make it run right. I plugged the switch back in and instantly it dropped cylinders 3 and 4 just like before. I tried a new switch and it doesn't change a thing. Way would unplugging that switch make it run better? Thanks, Steve
touche! You know, I was this close to picking up a 2005 325. (BMW has a great head protection system.) I even put money down on it to hold it for the weekend until I had heard from the insurance co. But as I thought about the $500 plus a month payments in addition to what I already am paying on my 530, I decided against it. Another way to look at it however, is that in this particular crash, although the bags didn't deploy (could have been the "angle" so they say and maybe they are correct. I just didn't like the weak response with the offer of a booklet.) no one was permanently injured. Everyone walked away from it, so maybe the construction of the Accord frame is what saved people from the worst, airbags or no.
I have a 99 accord with only 63K miles on it and just had to replace the head gasket. I don't know if I can trust this car any longer, or if I want to trust this car any longer as I'm thoroughly disgusted. Should I get rid of it, fight Honda for some re-payment?
I ma new and happy to have found this forum. My car's S mode is blinking all the time. The transmission unit shows an error code 8. can someone help me. femi
Back in the "old" days, it was pretty common to have a head gasket blow once in awhile. Heck, with 63,000 miles a valve job was usually needed and done along with the head gasket.
Now, it's the end of the world when something like this happens, especially on a Honda. Hondas are supposted to be perfect and just last forever.
Things happen. Even on the best of cars. You "can" trust your car and there is no practical reason you should get rid of it. It's an oddball thing to have happen.
Someone did ask...did the car ever overheat? that's a good way to blow a head gasket.
My faith in Honda has been restored. A couple months back I posted about my passenger side airbag deploying for no apparent reason while driving. '03 Accord had 37,000 miles but was only 18 month old. Dealer where I purchased the car only wanted to say the car was out of warranty and a $1380.00 Honda Care Extended Warranty would not cover it. Dealer stated they could find no apparent reason why it deployed. A phone call to Honda Customer Service resulted in much the same unconcerned response. I have always felt the written word is much more powerful than the spoken word. Certified letter sent to Honda Customer Service. A Regional rep called me telling me to take the car to a different dealer,,,They also could find no reason why it deployed. Rep told me they feel I probably ran over something but because they could find nothing they will replace the $1500.00 airbag. They DID the right thing. Never ever buy a Honda Care Extended Warranty
There is some handy info there and links to PDFs (adobe acrobat reader will open them) in the middle of the page toward the bottom.
A cursory glance shows TCU error code 8 to deal mainly with shift control solenoid B and is characterized by symptoms of "fails to shift-stuck in 1st or 4th"
Here is another site with some helpful info on general probs that seem to crop up with the 90-93s: http://www.d-a-p.com/askus.htm
Not that I would buy a Honda Care Extended Warranty anyway for my own reasons, but why exactly shoudn't we based on your experiences?
1) I don't see that many car companies WOULD cover the cost of replacing airbags. 2) Even you admit that Honda USA did the right thing, since they went beyond the call of duty (or simply fulfilled their obligation for a faulty airbag deployment if you are a hardliner) by paying for the replacement.
Sounds like a pretty good argument to me why you would want to trust that company to honor any future obligations that crop up. With many companies, an extended warranty IS just money down the drain.....Honda actually delivered even against their own initial ruling.
Yeah, you can possibly claim it was a buy-off to keep you off their back or even possibly to maintain goodwill but either way, that sounds like a good place to trust your investment to. From what I've seen on this and other boards, generally Honda does what it can to help out, oftentimes well beyond what is expected of them but almost always moreso than the average car manufacturer.
Hey lastwraith,,lighten up. No need to take anything here personal. "why exactly shouldn't we based on your experiences?" ,,,that is very personal. Its just an exchange of information here. Tell me a car company that WOULD'T replace an airbag that is 18 months old. Your name and location says it all
Hold up there a sec. I don't think lastwraith meant any more than you finished your post with don't buy a Honda Care warranty, but you didn't explain how you arrived at that conclusion. I think that's all he/she wanted to know.
You might consider taking your own advice on taking things personally.
I didn't take anything personal at all. I am just curious why you think the Warranty is worthless.
First of all, no company that thinks something is not their fault is going to want to pony up $ for a replacement, let alone on something like an airbag. That was my main point.
Secondly, if Honda resolved this issue to your satisfaction then why wouldn't you trust them in the future (via the puchase of an extended warranty)?
That was all I asked, and I don't see what me living on the east coast and my name have to do with it but whatever.
I recently had my timing belt replaced and ever since then I have a squeal noise on startup. The belts have been checked and have been tightened twice already. Has anyone ever had this problem come up?
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Traction control just prevents the wheels from spinning on acceleration and is useful when driving a powerful car on a slippery surface.
Traction control isn't needed so much on moderately powered cars, so the Accord V6 has it, but the 4 doesn't (but don't get the idea that the Accord 4 cylinder is slow because it's quite powerful--just not so powerful that it needs traction control).
ESC is very different and is a safety feature for any car--and especially for SUVs that are more likely to roll over............Richard
Louise"
Thanks...I'm really considering buying one in August when my lease is up. I'd like to see the 2006 Accord first, but I may be a victim of timing if the 2006 doesn't hit the showroom until September. I only have 1 vehicle, so my hand is forced to buy in August.
If the dealer where you have your current lease wants to remain in your good graces, they may be able to allow you to go on a month-to-month extension of your old lease. It's cash flow for them and the leasing company. It can't hurt to ask.
It's a feature Honda should have on all models, but doesn't.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
In a lot of the US, traction control would be of little use.
But I agree, it works pretty well.
Can you explain that. I can think of a couple of times when my wheels slipped on a snow-covered road (some snow was plowed, but not all of the road) when starting at a traffic light. I had a 4-cylinder vehicle. Most states in this country get snow.
Maybe in 5 years when traction control and VSA are standard on all Hondas, we'll put this argument to rest.
I can understand it not being on the cheapest basic model for price comparisons. But like automatic headlights and power door locks that are tied to vehicle speed or gear selection, they should be on cars today.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I purchased a V6 LX in February and I am very happy with it. Like you, I find the V6 LX a good value for those that want the driving experience that the EX V6 provides, but do not like leather seating or a moonroof. I am 5' 11", but I also enjoy the extra headroom. For me, the seats are very comfortable. The material is similar to velour and you can't slide around as much as with leather, so keep that in mind for getting into and out of the car.
As for looks, my car is red and I was originally going to replace the standard black side sills with red, but now I like the looks. Sets it apart from all the EX's. The wheel covers could have better designed, but I am getting use to them. When it comes time for new tires I may get alloys.
The MPG is not that much lower than the I4 and I'm getting around 26 in combined driving. But I do like the power. No effort at all when merging into traffic, and no noticeable engine noise.
From what I read, they are rare because more people prefer all the bells and whistles in this price range. But for power and handling, the LX V6 and the EX V6 are exactly the same car.
Good luck with your purchase, but if you read the Prices Paid & Buying Experience board you will notice that buying an Accord lately is like buying a computer - the longer you wait, the cheaper they get.
Don't those statements contradict each other?
Anyway, consider your self lucky. Tires are much easier to replace than the rock-hard seats that bother some people.
"Honda will lose repeat customers over their choice of these tires." Maybe you are right. Honda has been using these type of tires for years. That might be why no one buys Hondas any more.
I am not the only person who feels this way. Go to tirerack.com and read the reviews of many recent honda accord owners who feel much the same as I do. And you can filter out the results just for Honda Accord owner's comments. If Accords are selling so well lately why all the ever increasing factory to dealer incentives.
Hermann
There was no such thing as traction control in any car at the time I lived there, but solved the problem by moving to San Francisco
I understand that you are unimpressed with Hermann's Michelin tires. However your post #17292 comment "Honda has been using these type of tires for years. That might be why no one buys Hondas any more." intrigues me.
Yogi Berra, of the New York Yankees, was famous for his malapropisms. One of his more famous comments was "That restaurant has gotten so crowded that nobody goes there any more."
Yogi was also quoted as saying:
"It's deja vu all over again"
"Why buy good luggage? You only use it when you travel."
"When you get to a fork in the road - take it."
"You can observe a lot just by watching."
"He must have made that before he died." - Referring to a Steve McQueen movie.
"I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early."
"Baseball is 90% mental - the other half is physical."
"It was impossible to get a conversation going; everybody was talking too much."
"90% of the putts that are short don't go in."
Etc, etc, etc. You get the idea.
I only buy Michelin replacement tires for our cars. The MXV4 is the best all-around choice for a touring car available right now, and assertions that they have no traction in either the dry or wet is contradicted by independent tests. And, their tires tend to be mostly round and straight, much more often than the competition. As noted, if you disagree, this is an easy problem to solve. I just wish Toyota were offering these "inferior" tires on more of their cars - with a Camry, you roll the dice based on what's on the dealer's lots....at any given time, there will be cars with Contis, Bridgestones, Goodyears, and Michelins...none of which are going to satisfy everyone.
Personally, I dislike the MXV series from Michelin. I replaced the ones on my 98 Accord when they had 36K on them.
Why do so many manufacturers use them as OEM? Price and name brand. The OEM chooses a tire based on cost and performance features. Also it is a selling point. Michelin has created a premium image for itself. Car makers hope it rubs off on them.
I must say that I'm very disappointed with this stereo system. Sounds muddy, too much bass. Accord should at least have an option for a better system, for those interested, as I would guess that the majority of buyers don't care too much either way. But I do, and there isn't much I can do about it, given the integrated HVAC controls, etc.
And not to sound like some other posters here, I don't like the seats, either - they're horrible! But I'm not going to whine and complain about it - I'll be buying an Acura RDX next year, and I'll just suck up the $$$ loss.
The technology today allows really tight, solid bass, even in a car.
I didn't say that no one would buy an Accord again, just that it will cost them some sales.Maybe a percent or so. If LX 4-cyl I bought turns out to be a good one and gives good dependable service and the dealer gives good service I will probally be back in a Honda product...But I will soon be going to my Firestone store for some Bridgestone Turanza's LS-H or V's with a 30-day test ride and see if improvements can be had
Hermann
Some people don't like paying for things they don't need or don't think they need.
Same with the auto headlights. If I want them on, it takes me a half-second to do that.
Much better than the Conti's that I bought for my Civic when i upgraded wheel size.
But I understand your viewpoint.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Doors that lock by themselves are irrating to me since I don't want them locked.
Heck, my keyless remotes are in a drawer because I don't like the extra bulk when my keys are in my pocket. I'm more than capable of unlocking my doors ESPECIALLY when I have to have the key in my hand anyway to start the car.
I understand your point as well. I only meant to point out that what some people think is a "must have" isn't important at all to others.
Must be hard working in Marketing for Honda trying to please the masses while keeping prices under control!
On the auto lights, I believe the Accord's headlights turn off after a few minutes even if left on? That's one thing about the auto light's I've liked -- no dead battery in the garage. (Yes, I left the lights on in my own garage without realizing it a few times long ago.)
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
This is a follow-up to my original question (page 857 & 858) and to tanya2 and mrbill1957 who had some good suggestions. I could not find any vacuum or intake leaks or a problem with the PVC & EGR valves. After using all the suggestions and running out of things to try, I took my 85 Accord to a shop. The only thing that was found was the carb. idle screw had backed way out. It now runs good. Strange to say the least. Thanks for all the help!!
Steve
I loved my 94 Accord LX; anyone have a suggestion as to which model (say 2000-2004) handles the turns and drives as well as the 94 LX? I'd like to buy an Accord that might be 2-4 years old with low mileage.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I own a 1985 Honda Accord 1.8L Carb. automatic with 110,000 miles.
While driving in the city, one moment it started running horrible and I barely made it home. A few weeks before it had a complete tune-up (plugs, wires, cap and rotor, timing, all filters, compression test 110-130, valve adjustment etc) and passed CA smog the first try. The car runs normal when cold, but when the choke opens and the engine idles down, it runs on two cylinders. When cold and idling I can pull the plug wires off at the dist. cap one at a time and each wire makes the engine rpm lower about the same. But when the choke opens it starts running horrible, I can pull the wires on cylinders 3 and 4 and it doesn't change the rpm at all. If I take either of 1 or 2 cyl. wires off the engine dies. In other words, when cold all cylinders are normal, but once it warms up and the choke opens and idles down, I can take the 3 & 4 plug wires off and it makes on change to the rpm. I've sprayed carb cleaner every where I thought an intake/carb leak might be and found >none. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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>Hello again,
This is a follow-up to my original question (page 857 & 858) and to tanya2 and mrbill1957 who had some good suggestions. I could not find any vacuum or intake leaks or a problem with the PVC & EGR valves. After using all the suggestions and running out of things to try, I took my 85 Accord to a shop. The only thing that was found was the carb. idle screw had backed way out. It now runs good. Strange to say the least. Thanks for all the help!!
>Steve
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After doing more research I found that the mechanic unplugged the air temperature switch (which is just inside the fresh air in pipe that supplies air to the carb) and increased the engine idle to make it run right. I plugged the switch back in and instantly it dropped cylinders 3 and 4 just like before. I tried a new switch and it doesn't change a thing. Way would unplugging that switch make it run better?
Thanks, Steve
You know, I was this close to picking up a 2005 325. (BMW has a great head protection system.) I even put money down on it to hold it for the weekend until I had heard from the insurance co. But as I thought about the $500 plus a month payments in addition to what I already am paying on my 530, I decided against it. Another way to look at it however, is that in this particular crash, although the bags didn't deploy (could have been the "angle" so they say and maybe they are correct. I just didn't like the weak response with the offer of a booklet.) no one was permanently injured. Everyone walked away from it, so maybe the construction of the Accord frame is what saved people from the worst, airbags or no.
Should I get rid of it, fight Honda for some re-payment?
femi
It is kind of unusual for head gaskets to be a problem these days. Did the car overheat? That may have caused the head to warp.
Now, it's the end of the world when something like this happens, especially on a Honda. Hondas are supposted to be perfect and just last forever.
Things happen. Even on the best of cars. You "can" trust your car and there is no practical reason you should get rid of it. It's an oddball thing to have happen.
Someone did ask...did the car ever overheat? that's a good way to blow a head gasket.
Hopefully your faith will be restored.
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelpkeefe/HowTo_Codes.htm
There is some handy info there and links to PDFs (adobe acrobat reader will open them) in the middle of the page toward the bottom.
A cursory glance shows TCU error code 8 to deal mainly with shift control solenoid B and is characterized by symptoms of "fails to shift-stuck in 1st or 4th"
Here is another site with some helpful info on general probs that seem to crop up with the 90-93s:
http://www.d-a-p.com/askus.htm
good luck people
1) I don't see that many car companies WOULD cover the cost of replacing airbags.
2) Even you admit that Honda USA did the right thing, since they went beyond the call of duty (or simply fulfilled their obligation for a faulty airbag deployment if you are a hardliner) by paying for the replacement.
Sounds like a pretty good argument to me why you would want to trust that company to honor any future obligations that crop up. With many companies, an extended warranty IS just money down the drain.....Honda actually delivered even against their own initial ruling.
Yeah, you can possibly claim it was a buy-off to keep you off their back or even possibly to maintain goodwill but either way, that sounds like a good place to trust your investment to. From what I've seen on this and other boards, generally Honda does what it can to help out, oftentimes well beyond what is expected of them but almost always moreso than the average car manufacturer.
You might consider taking your own advice on taking things personally.
First of all, no company that thinks something is not their fault is going to want to pony up $ for a replacement, let alone on something like an airbag. That was my main point.
Secondly, if Honda resolved this issue to your satisfaction then why wouldn't you trust them in the future (via the puchase of an extended warranty)?
That was all I asked, and I don't see what me living on the east coast and my name have to do with it but whatever.
later