Jeep Wrangler Starting Problems
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Have a 2004 wrangler x auto, it has been having problems starting battery has been checked and is fine, all fuses are fine starter relay in engine compartment fuse box ok, all oher fuses ok, took the wire off from the solenoid on the starter the one coming from the engine compartment fuse box and was able to jump the solenoid to start by clipping a wire on that tab and putting it on the positive battery teminal started 2 times that way in 5 days other wise was starting hit or miss tried to start it today would not start tried jumper on the solenoid and would not start, not sure where to go from here.
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Two main possibilities. First, the battery connections, both positive and ground, and both at the battery and at their opposite ends. They must be tight and free of corrosion. The best way to check is to remove them, clean, then reinstall.
Second, it could be the starter itself. Take it to your local auto electrical specialist or autoparts store for a free test before buying a new one.
From the description it may well be the starter though, as the solenoid appeared to be working intermittently but has now failed.
Based on my limited knowledge the next check becomes the switch on the clutch or the ignition itself. Any insight on this would be welcome.
If the switch on the clutch is bad, is this a fix I can make or best taken to a mechanic?
Unfortunately, I'm afraid I don't see anything like that as being available separately. However, as you were previously able to activate the starter by independently powering the solenoid but can now no longer do so, it would indicate that the problem is in the starter itself, or the main supply to it, and not the ignition switch,
Any suggestions?
There is absolutely no need to pump the gas pedal on any modern vehicle when starting.
Keep your foot off the pedal and turn the key. If it doesn't start there's something wrong that needs to be fixed.
You may have a lemon, but it's far more likely to be a minor problem (if it's worse when warm I'd start by looking for bad sensors) and you have a dealer with an incompetent service department.
This would be a lawyer who moonlights as a Jeep mechanic perhaps?
Your dealer appears to doing everything correctly so far.
They started work straight away, couldn't immediately find the problem but tried to reassure you by pointing out that the problem hasn't left you stranded, and now they going to contact Jeep for further information (at least, I think that's what you meant) and have promised to call you when they've done so.
Anyhow, although it's a little hard to tell from your description, it's either a starter/electrical problem or fuel system issue.
I'd guess at the fuel system losing pressure when the engine isn't running, possibly a leaking injector dribbling fuel into a cylinder causing both a loss of pressure and flooding that cylinder.
This is obviously a wide spread problem because I have heard from several people about this issue. Jeep has to know about this. But still....no recall because they have no idea how to fix it. Typical.
Why didn't you demonstrate the problem to the dealer?
As for not taking it back to be fixed now you've found the problem, words fail me. :surprise:
I would at least make sure that they credited me some of the amount previously charged toward the cost of the repair.
Hard to believe they're that incompetent. The problem is that the NSS (or Neutral Safety Switch) is either bad or needs adjusting.
Every vehicle with automatic transmission has one and it's to prevent the vehicle being started in anything other than Park or Neutral.
It's highly likely that the PCM is holding a code relating to the problem.
Get the battery charged and see if you can get to somewhere that can read the codes(s). Autozone will do it for free.
I can only get it to start by letting the jeep start to roll down hill or getting someone to help push. I than have to put the manual transmission in 1st gear, turn the key, and pop the clutch.
I went by a Sears auto center and they said it would most likely be $400 to replace the starter.
I also tried jumping the jeep. This does not help.
Can anyone tell me what may be the problem and what I can do to fix this?
Presumably the starter needs replacing. It could also be a bad battery, ignition switch, relay, or a wiring problem.
it's an easy diagnosis with the vehicle in front of you.
Did you just ask Sears the price of a starter, or did theycheck to see what was actually wrong?
With the Jeep or the dealer? :mad:
The reality is that if a problem can't be replicated and it's not triggering a code which can be used as a starting point, then it's virtually impossible to fix.
There many things it could be, from a bad ignition switch to a virtually blocked fuel filter (and 101 things in between), but unless you want to throw parts randomly at it there's little that can be done until it either presents the problem to the dealer or it fails to start permanently, in which case it will be easy to identify the problem.
I have had the battery and alternator tested and both appear to be 'good'.
Any thoughts?
Thanks...
If the battery is good but jumping gets it started I'd take a look at the battery connections.
Start by checking for codes.
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today I used starter fluid to see if the engine would fire and it started right up. Of course after the fluid burned away it stalled. Now I know I'm looking for a fule issue. Thanks Mac24, I will look for codes.
There's lots of things it could be but you need a starting point, so
you need to beg, borrow, or steal a code reader (or rent one from AutoZone).
Post the code(s) you get and we'll take it from there.
I wonder if it could possibly be the ignition switch since that is the only part I physically move. I don't touch the gas pedal or brake, don't put it into gear, nothing...just the ignition switch. Sometimes the battery is drained, other times not.
Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.
Have you had the battery AND alternator tested? Ensure the alternator is putting out 14V or so.
Had a similar issue, but my battery issue was due to previous winch operations and the battery just being worn out.
-Paul