Volkswagen Jetta 2005 and earlier

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  • skierm2skierm2 Member Posts: 2
    Hi,
    I am in the process of buying a 2000 jetta gls, I wanted to see if anyone could give me some info or experience they have had with this car. I want to have an idea of what I am getting into and if I am making a good investment. I am going from a Ford Explorer to a WV Jetta so it is a big change for me. Has anyone had any serious problems with the jetta, it only has 16,000 miles on and the price almost sounds too good to be true.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I would check out the service history (using the VIN#) through a VW dealer. They should be able to pull the VIN and tell you what service the car has gotten. Also, run a Carfax report on the car so you can see if the odometer has been tampered with, it was in an accident, etc. Check all this out, and you should be ok.
  • skierm2skierm2 Member Posts: 2
    I am actually buying it from a vw dealer..thanks for the advice. I will check out carfax, I was hoping there might be something I could do that wouldn't cost.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Ask the VW dealer to run the VIN anyway, like I said. That shouldn't cost. Also, the Carfax is only like $15 for one or $20 for unlimited ones. It's worth it for peace of mind, in my opinion.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    i hate to bursts anyone's bubble, but if the price is too good to be true, then i would run the other way, and FAST.

    nothing in life works out that well. don't get burned! a dirt cheap two year old Jetta with low miles is extremely suspect. there simply has to be a "catch", ya know what i mean? my 2001 Civic had $6000 worth of front end damage, but since it wasn't totalled, CARMAX will never know about it. But someone out there is getting a typical Honda lemon, with the added bonus of peeling paint and collision damage.

    If you take the car, you have to take it to a body shop - let them put it up and look at it. They can spot body/frame work right away. If there is any, then proceed at your own risk. :)
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    That is where you are wrong actually. I have taken a car to Carmax before, and they found out right away it was in an accident. When you remove the fenders on a car, you have to turn the fender bolts. Carmax can tell if they have been turned. I know, because I took my 2001 Protege there and right away they said it had been repaired (which it had, due to a hit and run driver when parked). So they did know what they were buying. That doesn't mean they wouldn't buy it and sell it to someone else. But Carmax will NOT sell a car that doesn't have a clean Carfax report on it.

    Also, when you are in an accident, your VIN# is taken to the car, and it's put on the car's record. I think it's done when a police report is filled out or something. But come to think of it, I checked my car's Carfax (the Protege), and it never said the car was in an accident.
  • sarah233sarah233 Member Posts: 161
    i have an appointment to take my car in for the ABS recall thing in about 2 weeks too. i hope it doesn't explode before then. I'm also going to have them check the seat heaters and replace a floormat that ripped off of anchor. i noticed that about a week after i had the car, but haven't bothered with it yet. i'm taking it to Santa Monica VW, and they said they have no free loaners on warranty service until after 24 hours. what's up with that?
  • bpibpi Member Posts: 120
    You paid $26,500 for your Jetta and it's "worth" $20,000 on a trade. Suppose you can buy another Jetta equipped the same way for $26,000 ($500 less than before).

    1. Refinance your current loan:
    $25,000 at 6.29% for 60 months PMT=$486.70
    BTW, which bank would let you refinance for $5K more than the car's value.

    2. Buy another Jetta for $26,000. You can borrow $27,153 at 2.9% for 60 months so that the payments are the same $486.70 as above. (That's where the $27K came from).

    You need to come up with $3,847 to put down in order to do that. But then does it make sense to do it?

    P.S. Taking bets on when vocus gets another new car:
    1. In two months.
    2. He buys the anti-sway bar, gets it installed and then gets another new car.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    bpi -

    i am going with choice # 2. ;) paul/vocus is at that age where he can afford to stress out over a car. I miss those times....;) now, i would love it if he traded the car in, while it was in the shop. he could do it, somehow....;)

    vocus -

    me? wrong? think again. never happened in my life! :)

    seriously, Carmax was going to buy my 2001 wrecked Honda Civic. They knew right away that it was in an accident. Of course, they can tell right away that it was damaged by looking at paint and frame rails. But, they do buy it anyway, and sell it on the same lot. And you can bet, since it is not required by law, and doesn't show up on Carfax, they don't have to, and definitely DO NOT, disclose anything. It is up to the consumer to take the car to a body shop to get checked out. Which is exactly what I said in my previous post to the potential buyer of the low milaege cheap Jetta.. There might not be anything to report to anywhere. Was not flood damaged, not totaled and bought by an insurance company, was not bought back from a mfgr as a lemon. Accidents don't get reported. Carfax is working on buying information from insurance companies on claim information, but not sure where they are with that. I know - I, very unfortunately, worked at Carfax for about a month. Yuck. This buyer should beware is what I am saying. A clean Carfax report is not a green light in such a suspect situation.

    Seriously, did I miss something? Please explain...
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I will buy another new car if you send me the down payment. :)

    Seriously, I was trying to work this out the best way I could. I don't want another new car, and would buy another Jetta anyway if I did get one because I like my car alot. The reason I said about buying another car was because I could get the really low rate (2.9 vs. 6.29) and pay about the same amount, but for a newer car. Even if I put down $2000, I would pay about the same from the payments I would save. I do not plan to get another car, like I said, so you all can stop betting in front of my face. :) But if I would go and work out the deal where my payments were the same, with a little down, as what I have now, DAMN STRAIGHT I would get another car. Who would not wanna drive a newer car (I would wait for a 03) for the same amount as a year older one? DUH!
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I never applied for either financing yet. I will in a couple months, when my credit gets cleaned up a little bit from the cards I have now.
  • bpibpi Member Posts: 120
    "Who would not wanna drive a newer car (I would wait for a 03) for the same amount as a year older one? DUH!"

    When do you think VW will offer 2.9% for 60 months on 2003 models?

    Answer: Around this time next year. DUH!

    P.S. You can dump additional money on a new car every year to make the payments the same, but it's not the "same".

    When calculating how much a month you save by refinancing, it's not correct to use $486.70 ($25K 2.9% for 60 months) and your current payment amount (probably $589). You've already made 6 payments on the current loan and "only" have 54 more to go. Your new monthly payment is $532.77 in order to pay it off in 54 months instead of 60.

    P.P.S. Most people pay off one 60-month loan in 5 years. Vocus pays off FIVE or more 60-month loans in 5 years.
  • xudxud Member Posts: 32
    My 2002 Jetta 1.8 T Manual's latest fuel economy was 31.0 MPG (397.8 miles with 12.85 gallon of gas), with 95% on the highway. So this is consistent with what VW claims (24 MPG city/ 31 MPG highway). Not bad.
  • alyssazmomalyssazmom Member Posts: 142
    I read on another board that VW is redesigning the Jetta for 2004. Has anyone heard any truth to this?

    Also, does Jetta still make the Wolfsburg edition or is this basically the new GLI? And did Wolfsburg every come in automatic?

    Thanks,

    Carrie
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The Wolfsburg was basically a 1.8T GLS model with badges, and only manual transmission. The new GLI is basically a trimmed down GLX model, with only a 6-speed manual available. I guess it's about the same philosophy.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I would have to pay the additional 6 months, I know that.

    I am trying to figure out if it would be a better deal to refinance or get a new car with the lower rate. I know the 03s won't have 2.9, but maybe I will luck out. The 02s have had 2.9 for awhile though.

    I just wanted some opinions/help with the situation. Thanks. But the only way I will get a new car is if the payment is about the same with little or no money down, vs. refinancing my current loan.
  • bpibpi Member Posts: 120
    "But the only way I will get a new car is if the payment is about the same with little or no money down, vs. refinancing my current loan."

    Then you can forget about it (unless you're talking about getting a "lesser" car), but your definition of "about the same" and "little" may be different from mine.

    P.S. If VW offers 2.9% on 2003 sooner than "normal", how do you think it'll affect the values on used 2002s?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    If I only have to put like $1000 or something down and the payments are the same as I am paying now, then I would consider it. If not, I will keep my current car.

    I have to refinance my current car anyway, it's a Driver's Option and I wanna keep the car. Might as well refinance sooner than later and save interest payments.
  • bpibpi Member Posts: 120
    One day in the not-so-distant future, vocus posts that:

    1. One of his buddies with a 5-sp Jetta let him learn how to drive a slick and he loved it. He couldn't believe how much fun he's been missing all those years. It cost less, was more fun and consumed less gas. He went out to buy a new Jetta 5-sp to save money.
    2. He listened to the "regular" stereo on the Jetta and was surprised to detect no less fidelity compared to his Monsoon. He went out to buy a new Jetta with no Monsoon to save money.
    3. He drove yet another Jetta from another buddy. It was a TDI. He couldn't believe how peppy it was. He could save a ton of money on fuel. He went out to buy a Jetta TDI.

    P.S. The above three events do not necessarily represent the reasoning behind the purchase of a single Jetta (Jetta 5-sp TDI with no Monsoon). In fact, quite possibly EACH event represents one purchase for a total of three.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    Don't dodge my last post. Why haven't the Sunfire/Cavalier won any comparison tests? They are made by GM afterall and everyone knows GM has lots of money and lots of money is how comparison tests are won. Please elaborate.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Oh good god, stop the madness!

    I actually drove every variation of Jetta before buying mine. The (old) VR6, the 2.0, the TDI, and the 1.8T (all automatic). I wanted the 1.8T, and don't mind that it uses more gas than the TDI because it has alot more power. I am not learning to drive stick shift (drive in too much traffic), and I hate the regular stereo (had it in a loaner, and have it in the Beetle I am driving as a loaner now). So that kills your whole observation.

    Also, most of my friends don't like Jettas, they say they are too expensive. My mother was right about them, they have no class. :) Just kidding.
  • bpibpi Member Posts: 120
    Miss Cleo told him gas price was going to cost $5 a gallon. He's "forced" to get a Jetta TDI auto with Monsoon.

    P.S. The new prediction does not invalidate the earlier ones. It's in addition to.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    there is NO WAY he will get $20k for his car, without the dealer gouging him on the price of the new car.

    are the 2.9% rates for 60 month loans thru VW? if so, sign me up too! :) i could only haggle them down the 5.5% for 60 months back in October.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I actually thought about getting a TDI when I got the 1.8T, because I commute ~70 miles a day for work. Once I drove the 1.8T, though, I had to have it.

    Even if I did get another Jetta for the cheaper financing, it would definitely be the 1.8T Jetta.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The dealer told me he would give me $20K to trade when I was there about a month or so ago. I don't want to though.

    And VW has been running 2.9 (or is it 3.9?) for 60 months for awhile now. Check out their site.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    did you guys know that Anna Nicole Smith is getting a psychic line too?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Ugh. Everyone has a gimick, don't they? You think she would have bilked her last husband for enough money...
  • tdiphaetontdiphaeton Member Posts: 4
    'I read on another board that VW is redesigning the Jetta for 2004. Has anyone heard any truth to this?'

    Most likely 2005 (2004 in Europe). You can expect to see the next Jetta/Golf at the 2003 Frankfurt IAA.
  • rejacobrejacob Member Posts: 3
    My wife and I are interested in a new Jetta (2002) but are somewhat taken aback by the wide choice of engines. From what I have been able to glean from various web sites and discussions with friends, the engines can be ranked in the following order (based on personal preferences, fuel economy, reliability): TDI, 1.8T, 2.0L. We need some candid opinions from Jetta owners about these engines. Some facts to help you help us: 1) we will do a lot of driving around town with short trips (5-10 mins) to and from work; 2) we live in a high-altitude, cold-winter city (Salt Lake); and 3) we have one toddler with more planned. Thanks a lot for your input!
  • nepsteinnepstein Member Posts: 1
    I have to pull a trailer that weighs about 1200lbs. Can either the gas or TDI pull it and if so which would be the best.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Member Posts: 1,391
    nepstein:
    TDI, it has low-end torque you need, though I don't know off the top of my head what (or even if it can) it can tow.

    rejacob:
    TDI or 1.8T. The TDI gets the best fuel economy & diesel motors in general are built to last. The 1.8T would be more fun to drive (fun stops around 7000 rpm instead of 4000 rpm for the TDI). The 1.8T has an available 5-speed automatic also (where the TDI & 2.0L get a 4-speed).
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    "(fun stops around 7000 rpm instead of 4000 rpm for the TDI)."

    Actually, I drove a 1.8T. The fun stops a lot sooner than 7000 rpm.
  • AnakinAnakin Member Posts: 410
    I own a 1.8T. The fun stops around 5500, but the good part is that the fun starts at 1950. :^)
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    Exactly. I'd much prefer that over a car where the fun STARTS at 5500 rpm or higher.
  • soupnazisoupnazi Member Posts: 15
    While both of the engines are capable of towing this weight, the weakness lies in the transmission and the frame design. I don't know towing recommendations either, but you'll be hard pressed to find any unibody car that is recommended to tow over 1000 lbs. Most in fact, are only rated for 500 lbs. For example, a Pontiac grand prix is only rated to 1000 lbs., and is obviously a larger car more suited to towing than the Jetta. I would say 1200 lbs is a task more suited to compact pick-up. In the real world, I try to keep max towing weight within 80% of your vehicle's recommended max.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    for now, i would go with the turbo. more economical, and it is lighter. i have no experience with the new 24V VR6 though....it could be great.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    When you say turbo what do you mean? The 1.8L gas turbo or the 1.9L diesel turbo. I know some people use the TDI for towing small trailers up to and slightly above 1,000# but I would not tow more than the smallest trailer with my car.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    You mentioned living in a high altitude condition...oh that's heaven with a turbo. I drove up into the mountains with a 1.8T one cool, crisp night: yummy. The engine pulls like it has 20 more HP.

    If you're making short trips and you're looking for fun, the 1.8T is the way to go. If you're a long distance guy and mileage is your bag, TDI.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I wouldn't think altitude would affect a turbo at all. On N/A cars, high altitude makes them slower because the air is less dense. With a turbo, it blows X amount of psi no matter the altitude.
  • jenebekajenebeka Member Posts: 2
    Hi everyone. I am about to purchase another car and have narrowed down my selections to two choices. One is a 99 Acura TL with 27,000 miles. The other is a new 2002 VW Jetta. Any thoughts? I can go either way at this time. What are your thoughts? Is the Acura a better choice because of its quality even though it is older?
  • sunflowerassunfloweras Member Posts: 2
    I bought a 2002 Jetta 1.8T back in March. I absolutely love the car. However, the driver side weather-stripping makes a very loud creaking noise every time I go over a bump or uneven pavement. It is so loud that the radio doesn't even mask the noise. I brought the car back for service twice in the past two weeks for this problem. The first time they adjusted the rear door, the second, they adjusted the front door on the driver's side.

    A co-worker of mine, has the exact same problem on her 2001 1.8T. Is there anyway to remedy this problem?
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Vocus is ordering a special "rubber treatment" for his 1.8T...it's taken over a month to come into the dealership of his. BTW, I don't think anybody really has any idea what's coming in this "rubber treatment".

    Others have used silicone sprays with some success.
  • bpibpi Member Posts: 120
    Do not believe in empirical data. What can you do with it? No one knows how YOUR car will be. Since when did Acura have higher quality than VW?

    Buy either one. If the one you buy doesn't work out. Trade it in and get the other one. Repeat if necessary. It can't really be any more simple than that.

    Disclaimer: The above is definitely not my opinion.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    That sounds like an opinion of someone I know on this board. ;)
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    i did not realize we were talking towing and stuff. i wouldn't recommend buying any VW if you want to tow. VW's are FWD. from what i know, FWD cars don't really tow that well. for towing, i guess an SUV or something would do the trick.

    also, i meant the 1.8T engine, not the TDI. At this point, the TDI seems fairly dated....
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    i am afraid you won't get much help on this board with regard to which car to get.

    a three year old TL/Accord with 27k miles is supposed to be a pretty solid buy though. i would say to you what i say to everyone else comparing the two cars:

    buy the Acura. in the end, you will "rest easier" at night. most americans assume the quality of a Honda/Acura is going to be top notch, and it gives them piece of mind. nothing wrong with that in these stressful times. i say get "security" wherever you can find it! :)
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Um...I was always under the impression turbos work better the thinner the air gets. When the air is thick (on a humid day for instance) a turbo faces more resistance and thus spools far more slowly. On cool dry days, especially at higher atltitudes, turbos spin more easily as there's less resistance in the air.

    "The turbocharger also helps at high altitudes, where the air is less dense. Normal engines will experience reduced power at high altitudes because for each stroke of the piston, the engine will get a smaller mass of air. "

    Found that on a site. I also recall reading an article about racing in the mountains and how all the cars were using turbos...they're more efficient in high altitude situations.

    On humid days and rainy days my car feels quite sluggish while it flat out zips on those gorgeous clear crisp nights.
  • blackjetta18t1blackjetta18t1 Member Posts: 278
    Stop over at a BMW service department, and pick up Gummi Phlege Rubber Protectant, costs about $7.50. Just rub the Gummi on the weather stripping andf it should take care of it but you'll probably have to do it every couple months. Be generous with how much you put on(that doesn't mean weatherstrips dripping with lubricant) because before I knew what the VW dealer used to get rid of it, they would fix it but it would be back in a day or two. But the stuff really works well for my car at least.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I've always heard that turbos perform the same regardless of altitude because the computer keeps the turbo pressure where it should be regardless of air density. The reason why the turbo has to spin harder at high altitude is because the air is less dense and the computer is compensating for it. An N/A engine is just sucking air and there is no way to compensate for the less dense air. That's why turbo engines have the advantage at high altitude. I don't think turbo engines make MORE power at high altitude, they just don't lose power like an N/A engine.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Member Posts: 1,391
    It can tow a Class 1 or 2 trailer, if that helps you.
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