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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans



  • pcasinopcasino Posts: 14
    17" versus 18"

    The primary advantage of using 18" wheels over 17" wheels is the handling difference, which in my opinion, can only be felt in a race track or in an extremely smooth highway with quick turns that require precision handling - like race cars that go over 200 mph. With less rubber between your rims and the pavement, the car will be more responsive and stable during turns. However, that handling comes at a price. The ride is harsher, and the rims prone to dents. On city streets the 18" wheels becomes a detriment since the minimal rubber between the rims and the street will not protect your rims from potholes and pavement cracks. I have known 17" inch wheels to get dented in New York city potholes. Furthermore, tires for 18" rims on sedans have limited weight bearing capacity and are not always all weather. Unless, you are bill gates nephew, or if you use your E class in a race track every day, I cannot find any logical reason why anyone in this world would want to replace 17" wheels for 18" in his E class. Oh, I almost forgot the last reason - the "look at the 18 rims on my E Class!!" reason.

    W and S mode,

    Read your manual! The only difference between the W and the S mode is starting the car from second gear (in W) instead of first gear (in S). This is for use only when you are starting from deep snow, since you don't want your rear wheels to spin from too much torque in first gear. Starting in second gear will avoid this. When was the last time there was a snow blizzard in Florida and why would you want to start your car in second gear when it rains?

    Yours truly,

    President of the read your car manual club.
  • valueguyvalueguy Posts: 208
    Why respond in such a rude manner. I have read my manual several times. Sometimes input from other drivers on this board is of great value to me. I have never used the "W" mode in my vehicle nor do I intend to do so. In the future, even stupid questions (of which I do not include mine)
    do not need to be answered in such a manner. IMHO, simply ignoring the question is much better approach.

    As to the 18" tires and wheels question, the stock E-55 comes with them as standard equipment.
    Since my next vehicle will most likely be the new E-55 with 18" wheels I wanted to read some comments about them. My 17" wheels have no dents or dings and my roads are in good condition.
    Perhaps, someone else on this board with an E-55 would respond to my question. Thanks.
  • Dealers are already taking deposits on the redesigned 2003 E-Class Mercedes! I have my reservation in on one already. They've told me that the car has just started production, and deliveries will start in August with about a two month backlog of reservations already in the pipeline.

    This website has the best photos:,3999,2-15-890_1131559,00.html

    There is a lot of information already available on the web, plus has info up now on this car.

    I think it's gorgeous! Can't wait to get mine!

  • jfz219jfz219 Posts: 63
    The winter transmission mode is useful in other low traction situations besides the obvious snow conditions. I find the traction control to be intrusive in tight turns from a standstill in wet weather. W mode modulates the torque be starting in second gear. So I use it almost all the time in town in rainy weather.

    Another wet weather observation not found in the owners manual: My E320 with MXV4 tires is much more stable in strong cross winds at highway speeds with the tire pressure increased to 31 psi front and 34 psi rear. Ride quality is minimally harsher and alloys are better protected.
  • adlwinnieadlwinnie Posts: 3
    Thanks for the responses. Some have said the radio/CD volume increase/decrease feature can be turned off - is this something only the dealer can do?

    Any thoughts on the end of lease purchase price - $35k? The car will have about 14k miles. Any experience as to whether Mercedes Credit negotiates the purchase price at lease end? Any thoughts are appreciated.
  • r1_97r1_97 Posts: 181
    I have a 98 and an 01 e-320s. I don't know the technical ratios but it seems that the 98 winds up from a start at too high rpm and that the 01 seems to accellerate better. Also the suspension seems smoother on the 01. Have there been any changes?

    I have Michelin tires on both cars. At 60+ mph the noise is noticable over the stereo. Noisier than on my prior Lexus ES300.

    I previously said, these are minor bitches. I plan top trade in my 98 for an '03 when the new model comes out sometime after August.

    I like the size and compromise of driving control (handeling) and comfort in the E model. I hope MB tightens up on quality control. I had to replace the transmission on the '98 model right at the end of the 4 year warranty period. I bought an 8 year extended warranty (4+4) for the '01.
  • jneejnee Posts: 21
    Hello my fellow MB owners:) I'm enjoying everyone's posts and find them very helpful as I get to know my 2001E3204matic better. Thank You. I have about 6K on mine and I already have a problem, with the ac(among a few other minor electrical problems). My ac whistles, rattles and although I have the fan on high I have no fan speed. And the fan speed will fluctuate from high to low to high whenever it feels like it. Anyone else experience the same problem? SPLITOE: I read your post about your ac fan control unit problem. Could you tell me a little more about that? By the way, the ac is on manual. Not auto.
  • jean7of9jean7of9 Posts: 192
    I live in the snow belt and have done various testing between W/S. In my E320 4matic it does not actually make much difference in snow and ice because TRC takes over. However I noticed during "city driving" the car starts smoother under W, hence when I have company I always set it to W. When I am driving alone and looking for jump starting on green I set it to S.
  • jean7of9jean7of9 Posts: 192
    The variations in fan speed can be caused by a faulty sensor. The dealer can trace it in minutes. You also need to check the rattle asap before it gets worse.
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    Yes, only the dealer can turn the feature off.
  • yhchuyhchu Posts: 2
    I went to dealer today looking for a 2002 E320. They offered me $1800 under invoice. Is that a good price for a 2002 when 2003 models are coming?
  • r1_97r1_97 Posts: 181
    I think -$1,800 from invoice is very good IF it's a net figure. IOW, No add on gimmicks.
  • bmms8bmms8 Posts: 86
    i think if u have to pay an extra 4 grand ad just get the 2003. 1800 is A VER GOOD DEAL but 2002 e-classes will look very old in 2 years. Also, the 2003 looks awesome, and there are more features, and more standard equipment on he my opinion u should wait. That is why i didnt buy a 2002 e-class... im waitng forthe 2003 e500. i put inmyorder a couple of months ago...i got an e500 with obsidian black, stone leather, keyless go, e2, power sun shade, and parktronic. i hoipe this car will be great.
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    Valueguy -- My 2000 E320 is also silver, and I've been using Zaino since it was new. IMHO, nothing matches either the wet-look shine or durability of Zaino, regardless of car color. And Z-6 enhances the shine dramatically, even on my silver car.

    If you haven't tried Zaino on your silver E-Class, do yourself a favor and try comparing it with Zymol. I think you'll be amazed!
  • EdsotoEdsoto Posts: 42
    The new cars will probably not be marked down at all. Also, are you looking for an E320 or 430?

    As for looking very old in two years... Is the gullwing that old looking? Ugh.

    Just be happy with your car - and don't worry too much about what is a good price or not. Since, for the most part, no two people ever paid the same exact amount for a car.

    Good Luck,

  • wnielwniel Posts: 97
    (Also the suspension seems smoother on the 01. Have there been any changes?)
    There very well may have been some suspension fine tuning, as in 2000 MB made quite a few changes to the E. Most of them were cosmetic. however, I'm sure some mechanical changes were made also as they tend to make subtle changes every year. Depending what tread pattern you have on the Michelin's, they can be noisy also, but not as noisy as the Goodyear Eagle F1's. By chance did you change the wheels to 17" from 16", as that can make the suspension feel different?
  • bigrobnhbigrobnh Posts: 114
    I, too, own a 2001 E320 4Matic. Your's must have followed mine down the assemlbly line. I too had the failure with the climate control system. Both Auto and Manual hardly worked (they made the point of telling me that, in auto mode, it's supposed to change speeds like I was some moron or something). One poster said it was a simple thing for them to fix. Well, it took two visits for mine...with them returning it the first time unfixed (with the problem apparent...they didn't make an effort to find it). I hope your service department is better than the one I visit in NH.

    I believe they changed a fan speed regulator and possibly temperature sensors.
  • adlwinnieadlwinnie Posts: 3
    Any thoughts on whether a purchase option for $35k at lease end with approximately 13,000 miles is a good deal? Anyone have any experience negotiating with Mercedes Credit? Thanks.
  • cmayercmayer Posts: 38
    If you're talking about your car, then you know the shape it's in.

    If the condition matches the very low mileage, it sounds attractive to me. But I'm not familiar with market specifics.
  • rbrenton88rbrenton88 Posts: 186
    I keep hearing the siren song of the Zaino, but would it be noticeable on a white finish, and do you still have to do all that claying and numerous other steps?

    My pool little arms get tired after one coat of Meguire's as it is.

    I don't want to ask this in the Zaino topic because some of those posters are a little too fanatic about it.
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    If the paint on your white car is reasonably clean, I'd definitely recommend Zaino for two reasons: (1) It really protects well and lasts longer than any product I've ever used (since Simonize was the norm -- I'm showing my age!), and (2) It's very easy to use and requires no rubbing, polishing or buffing (wipe on, let dry, wipe off). Also, Zaino does not leave a powdery residue like many other products.

    If your paint doesn't feel smooth when you run your fingers over it (when the car is clean), you may want to use a clay bar. I've never used one, but I've used Zaino on my silver E320 since it was new -- I probably have 15 coats by now. But I understand that claying is a breeze and can be done in about 15 minutes -- IF it's needed.

    Recommend that you wash the car thoroughly with blue Dawn dishwasher detergent, dry, apply Z-1 and allow to haze (the Z-1 when applied, and later the haze, will both be very difficult to see on a white car), then apply Z-2, let dry completely, and merely wipe off. Don't apply more than one coat of Z-2 in a 24 hour period unless you use ZFX instead of Z-1. Follow with Z-6 (optional). After several coats of Z-2, you'll be amazed at the deep wet-look shine, even on a white car! You'll also be amazed at how long water keeps beading, especially if you renew the Z-2 every so often (after a thorough wash with Z-7).

    Biggest mistakes using Zaino: Using too much, especially on light colored cars (a little bit goes a looooong way!) and not allowing the Z-2 to dry completely.

    Hope this helps. The Zaino web site ( is worth reading thoroughly, especially the "tips."
  • rbrenton88rbrenton88 Posts: 186
    Thanks for the tips. I'll look into it.
  • lhcleunglhcleung Posts: 24
    mbdriver: your information on ZainoBros paint is very useful; because I too, am looking for good paint to protect my 2001 E320. The paint job on this car is still like new; but I like to have some paint to protect it from our severe Canadian winter climate. So, would you please tell me: 1)whether you used the Zaino paint when your Benz was still new and 2) would the Zaino products do any damage to the Mercedes Benz original paint job? Thanking you in advance for sharing your information and experience.
  • jean7of9jean7of9 Posts: 192
    I have been using Zaino for more than three years under the same harsh weather. my neighbor who parks a 03 SL-500 and 02 S-55 (same obsidian black)near my car is surprised with the fact that my car still looks as new as his cars but with a wetter look. You can order Zaino in Canada with Canadian dollars for next day delivery by Purolator.
  • lhcleunglhcleung Posts: 24
    Jean: Thanks a lot. Now I feel confident to go ahead to order such product, eventhough I have already bought the whole complete polishing and detailing kit from Mercedes Benz. Thanks again.
  • thor8thor8 Posts: 303
    I am considering a 2002 E 320, can a few owners give me some imput in regards to quality and reliability, an impartial and objective view.

  • r1_97r1_97 Posts: 181
    The E-320 is about to get a substantial update in late August. The current model is an excellent car but the model is a bit old. I have two - a '98 and an '01. Had to replace the transmission on the '98 (under warranty) but no other major problems. I'm considering replacing the '98 with a new '03 later this year.
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    jean7of9 is absolutely correct. And if you haven't opened or used your MB polishing and detailing kit, RUSH back to your dealer and get your hard-earned money back. The products are probably Meguires polishes and carnaubas with a tri-star label.

    IMHO, Zaino will do more to protect your E-Class's paint than anything on the market. My brilliant silver 2000 E320 looks better than new, and it's seen nothing but Zaino since I removed the dealer's prep wax just after I took delivery.
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    rl_97 makes some good points and has the experience to back them up.

    I would add several cautions about NOT buying the 2002 E-Class. First, the 2002 is now a proven product that underwent a major face lift with the 2000 model. Most likely all the "bugs" and problems have been eliminated or minimized by now.

    Second, many people avoid the first model year of any new car. Often there are problems that the manufacturer will fix in the second and subsequent years of the model's life. So, you may want to wait a year and then buy an '04 model E-Class (if you don't opt to go for the 2002 model).

    Finally, from the photos I've seen, the new '03 E-Class strongly resembles the previous 210 generation. However, the new car also has many improvements.

    It will be a tough decision either way. But with MB's increased emphasis on quality, you won't go wrong either way.

    Hope this helps. Let us know what you do and how satisfied you are with your decision.
  • valueguyvalueguy Posts: 208
    I agree that Zaino is SLIGHTLY better than Zymol.
    But, for me the cost and labor of the Zaino is not worth the difference.

    Please check out this site

    This NSX owner did his own testing of the two products and Zymol did very well. Yes, the Zaino is better but not by much. If I had a dark colored car I would spend the extra time and money
    on the Zaino. Zymol is cheap, easy to apply and readily available at Wal-Mart. As the test shows, it is a good product. M-B recommends a Carnauba based wax on their paints: Zymol is Carnauba based.

    So, those of you who want a good alternative to Zaino should seriously consider Zymol. Zaino is not available at stores but can be purchased easily online.
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