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Kia Rio 2011-2012 Replacement ?



  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    Your correct, I`m located down at the "end of the road" in Key West, FL 90 miles from Cuba, which curiously Canadians can visit but American citizens cannot unless they are Cuban and have relatives living on the Island, but thats another matter. I won`t go (there) because the "politics" of the matter really irritates me to no end. That said, on the matter of the Color availability for the upcoming new 2012 Kia Rio, I do realize that Canada often gets different model trim, content, and colors that the US never has access to. Using the color names you provided, a Google searched showed most have already appeared on previous US version Kia`s. I might be wrong, hopefully I am. I really was looking forward to a (White) Rio5, but it appears its going to be the same boring utility white that Kia has used before. I`ll have to find another color selection. I`m personally really tired of Black, Dark Grey and Silver Grey which are the top selling colors of (every) brand vehicle as well as some shade of White. Oh well, the car still looks fabulous.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    edited July 2011
    here's a one page summary of the main features of the 2012 Rio 5 for Canada. MSRP has not yet been announced.

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 7,236
    close. This one blows the socks off of anything else in it's size range. The Ford Fiesta is the closest serious competitor, I would think, and the Mazda 2. But this one looks the best, can't wait to see one in person here in Idaho!

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    LX MT - $14,095
    LX AT - $15,395
    LX+ MT - $15,395
    LX+AT - $16,895
    LX ECO AT - $17,695

    EX MT - $16,995
    EX MT w/UVO - $17,495
    EX AT - $18,295
    EX AT w/UVO - $18,795
    EX Luxury AT - $20,795

    the base LX models starts off at the same MSRP as the 2011 model, auto $100 more
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    Looks like Canada is going to get its 2012 Kia Rio5 earlier then Kia USA. kia/ has no information on either trim level, options, or prices. Either they are waiting till the last moment to release the details or its going to be late Fall or Winter for US residents. Local Kia Dealerships said they have received (no) advance media materials and are still taking delivery of 2011 Kia Rio`s being dropped off by car carriers. You would think that Kia Canada and Kia USA despite having some trim & color differences and prices would be rolling out this highly anticipated Model about the same time, guess that does`nt appear to be the case.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    don't feel so bad, Kia Canada has not posted any of this on their website either, looking at their website you wouldn't even know there was a new model coming out.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    conwelpic, Well safe to say that your (source) for all your "classified" information must be kept secret. Assuming your Canadian, I`m not sure if you would be eligible to get into the US Justice Department`s, "Witness Protection Program" and secretly given a new identity and living location. Maybe Canada has a similar program. Guess us American`s, if we survive the current "Debt Ceiling Crisis", will just have to be patient and await Kia Motors America to reveal specifications,option packages, and prices of (our) version of the 2012 Kia Rio5 whenever they decide to do so. The 2012 Hyundai Accent is going to be a "hard sell" once it`s sibling, the Kia Rio5 finally arrives. Hyundai aught to start rebates and low cost financing immediately (before) Kia launches its new 2012 Rio, IMO.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    Yes I'm Canadian :)

    here is the one page summary I did earlier but with the MSRP now shown.

  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    Say It`s Not So! Only "Black" Cloth Interior? No Beige/Tan Cloth Option? The following (colours) would look much better IMO with Tan/Beige Cloth Interior.
    1. Silverstone Beige 2. Deep Blue 3. Clear White 4. Midnight Black 5. Signal Red.
    Even the stripped down US version of the Hyundai GLS Sedan offers Beige/Tan Cloth Interior Option although for some odd reason, the Hyundai Accent 5 door Hatchback only offers 2 tone Charcoal Grey or Black Cloth. If one, (like myself) does not want Black Cloth Interior, guess we will be forced whether we like it or not to upgrade to the Leather Interior Option and all the bells and whistles that go with it. I DO NOT want a built in Navigation system which will add over $1000 additional cost, as my portable Garmin GPS works fine and can be removed and transfered to another vehicle and it only costs $80. Maybe the US version will have a Beige/Cloth Interior Option, I hope!
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    don't judge this has being the same for the US, you get more interior colours choices that we do in Canada. The 2012 Accent in Canada only comes with black cloth interior.

    I use a Garmin, so can't see any reason for Nav in any vehicle I would purchase. You notice that no NAV is offered on the Canadian model.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    edited July 2011
    At the New York International Auto Show held in April of this year, Kia Motors America
    announced a limited amount of content information. On the US version of the 2012 Kia Rio5, our top trim model labeled "SX" will have two different trim level packages to choose from. The convenience package containing most of the expected upgraded option you would expect on their highest (tier) vehicle that contains the UVO system. Upgrading even further is the addition of the Luxurious package which will replace the UVO system with a navigation system replacing the UVO and also add push button smart key start, Leather Trim Seats, Heated Front Seat, (like you need that here in Florida), and Power Moonroof. It looks like for the US, you can`t get the Moonroof unless you purchase the (works). Guess we will have to wait a while longer before they release exact package configurations, color combinations, and prices for the USA market.
    PS: The other 2012 Kia Rio5 Trim Levels in the US will be LX, followed by EX and upgraded to the top level, SX.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    Just received some reliable information from a spokesperson from Kia Media Relations that information regarding the upcoming US version of the 2012 Kia Rio and Rio5 including Trim Levels, Option Packages, Interior and Exterior Color Combinations as well as tentative "launch" Prices will be released and posted Aug 15 or Aug 16. The wait is almost over!
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    do you know if the US 2012 Soul info will be released at the same time?
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    "The 2012 Hyundai Accent is going to be a "hard sell" once it`s sibling, the Kia Rio5 finally arrives. Hyundai aught to start rebates and low cost financing immediately (before) Kia launches its new 2012 Rio, IMO."

    Did you think the extra features and stuff in the Rio5 was going to be included (for free) or come cheap (relative to the Accent)? Seems that the Rio5 is going to cost at least as much as the 2012 Accent 5. For the 2012 Rio5 EX AT, the price in Canadian dollars is $18,295 plus $1155 for destination & delivery, $100 excise tax and $150-$200 for any color other than white. A top of the line 2012 Accent 5 SE auto has a MSRP in US dollars of $17,555 including D & D. Granted, the Rio5 EX has a sunroof, leather and LEDs but are they worth an extra 2 grand? Also, there isn't much margin in the invoice versus MSRP so there will not be much wiggle room until supply catches up with the pent up demand. Bottom line is that both will sell well and it be a matter of how much you want to spend, dealer location, and features desired.

    I opted for the Accent 5 SE auto and am happy with my choice. I got a good deal considering it was the first (of only 2) SE received at my dealership. I got it for MSRP and they threw in the iPod cable and floor mats, 2 fill-ups, and free first service.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    I understand your point, with (3) different Trim Levels of the 2012 Kia Rio5, LX, EX, and SX with lots of options packages that one will be able to choose from, I`m sure there will something for (everyone) depending on how much car they want and how much they are willing to spend. Thats always the case. IMO, the exterior styling of the 2012 Kia Rio is infinitely nicer, and no so much Ford Fiesta like, but again, beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder. At least Kia is offering in its Rio and Rio5 line up with lots more choices then Hyundai has offered on its version of its Accent. I also agree that margins will be very slim and until inventory catches up with demand, MSRP without all the usual Dealer add on options like fabric guard, paint sealants, window etching, and the usual Dealer Fee`s, will be the best deal one can expect to negotiate unless you have a (family member) in the business at a Kia Dealership.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    I was curious as to how the Rio 5 compared to the Accent, now we have the prices (Canadian), here's what I found: (there is no SE model on the Canadian Accent lineup)

    2012 Rio 5 LX ($14,095) vs 2012 Accent L ($13,599)
    What do you get for the extra $496 in the Rio?
    15” steel wheels with full wheel covers (vs 14” on Accent)
    power windows (GL on Accent)
    steering wheel audio controls (GL on Accent)
    sunglass holder (GL on Accent)
    illuminated vanity mirrors (n/a on Accent)
    power heated sideview mirrors (GL on Accent)
    satellite radio (GLS on Accent)
    front and rear mud flaps (dealer option on Accent)

    2012 Rio 5 LX+ ($15,595) vs 2012 Accent GL ($15,399)
    What do you get for the extra $196 in the Rio?
    15” steel wheels with covers (vs 14” on Accent)
    satellite radio (GLS on Accent)
    fog lamps (GLS on Accent)
    heated front seats (GLS on Accent)
    Bluetooth hands-free (GLS on Accent)
    front and rear mud flaps (dealer option on Accent)

    2012 Rio 5 EX ($16,995) vs 2012 Accent GLS ($17,199)
    What do you get for $204 less in the Rio?
    power folding sideview mirrors (n/a on Accent)
    telescopic steering (n/a on Accent)

    also available Rio 5 EX at $17,495 (at $296 more than the GLS)
    UVO audio infotainment (n/a on Accent)
    rearview camera (n/a on Accent)
    auto headlights (n/a on Accent)

    2012 Rio 5 EX Luxury AT ($20,795) vs 2012 Accent GLS AT ($18,399)
    What do you get for $2,396 extra in the Rio?
    17” alloys
    larger brakes
    sport-tune suspension
    twin-tip muffler
    smart key
    push button ignition
    heated steering wheel
    supervision cluster
    cooling glove box
    luggage net and tray
    leather seats
    alloy sport pedals
    fully automatic climate control
    rain-sensing windshield
    UVO audio infotainment
    rearview camera
    projection headlights
    LED positioning lights
    LED taillights
    UV-reducing solar glass
    power folding sideview mirrors
    telescopic steering
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    edited August 2011
    The feature sets available on the 2012 Rio5 are really amazing and seem like a good value if you are willing to pay the price. Are start-stop and the eco mode included in all the models? Prices seem like a great bargain until you realize that D&D at $1155 and excise tax at $100 have to added to MSRP. Still a bargain though for all that you get. Can't believe that Hyundai would let its little sibling, Kia, undercut and outshine it too much. ;-)

    My 2012 Accent SE (5 dr) is closest to your Rio LX minus the heated front seats, illuminated vanity mirrors and mud flaps but plus 16" alloys and a leather wrapped steering wheel. It also is comparable to you 2012 Accent GLS.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    see my entry at #35 & #39 for price and model breakdown, you will see there is only one model that is ISG Eco. D&D is $1455, not $1155, but its all relative as for the Accent its $1495.
    Every vehicle in Canada has to pay the $100 excise tax if you have a/c.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    edited August 2011
    What a riot. The Canadian Government or is it the Province of Quebec charges an extra $100. excise tax for A/C? Like its does`nt get hot in Montreal in the Summer? Sure your heat waves don`t last for months like here in Florida but I remember visiting Montreal for weeks at a time in both July and Aug when the temperatures were near 100 F` or over with (high humidity) as well. Guess its their way of collecting a "sin or luxury" tax. Wonder if your Politicians in Ottawa have A/C in their Government provided vehicles? Was that $100 tax for A/C waived or did the Canadian Tax Payers foot the bill? I`m flying up to Montreal for a week long Holiday the last week of Aug to get my fill of Smoked Meat, Poutine. and both Laurentide & Molson Export Biere. I by the way haven`t watched a Washington Nationals Baseball game since the Expo`s left town. I was there at Olympic Stadium for the last home game series the Expo`s played against the Florida Marlins who wept the series. For those that care, your former Expo`s Owner Jeff Lauria who now owns the Florida Marlins is still the same low-life as he was when he owned the Expo`s. The City of Miami rewarded him by building a 400 million dollar enclosed Baseball Stadium which the city is almost in Bankruptcy over, due to his threat to relocate his Team elsewhere. They hardly ever get 7000 per game anyway where most Triple AAA Franchise`s draws a larger fan base. I apologize for going (off) topic!
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    the $100 excise tax is a federal government charge.
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    Phil, I hate to break it to you but the strong Canadian dollar is worth about 4% more than our slip sliding US dollar. This means that if their prices translate over, you have to add about $650 dollars to the prices provided by conwelpic in Canadian dollars. And rumor has it that our dollar will slide even further making it inevitable that the Korean (and Japanese and German) companies will increase their prices even more. Look out if the rating agencies lower the US bond rating a notch or two. Who knows where it will be in November when the Rio5 is sold in the US. Bottom line is that you will need to add at least another $2K (with D&D) to the prices provided by conwelpic. Guess my 2012 Accent SE is looking better and better. :cry:
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    edited August 2011
    Well, I`m can`t tell you how happy I am for you are your recent purchase of your 2012 Hyundai SE Hatchback. The devaluation of the US Dollar thanks to the Tea Party pushing Standard and Poors to downgrade our credit rating from AAA to AA+ has already happened since you Posted. If you acknowledge the now 6% DROP in value of the US Dollar against the Canadian Dollar, not only will the new 2012 Kia Rio5 Hatchback be priced higher, but the 2012 Hyundai Accent Hatchback as well, right? Your a Genius to have anticipated the future and bought your new 2012 Hyundai Accent (before) the future Price Increases. Regardless, I would like to remind you, for those that are looking for more "option & content availability" the Accent has so little to offer compared to its sibling, the Rio. If "price" is the only consideration, like it appears to be for Poster, "nucarshopper" then perhaps purchasing a New Vehicle with its immediate steep depreciation might not be such a wise idea and buying a one year old previously owned vehicle might be more prudent. If, like myself, your going to be "married" to your newly purchased vehicle for 5 years or more, you might as well get exactly what options and content that is important to you rather then suffer, (buyers regret), after such a large purchase. Some folks want more then just safe,dependable&reliable transportation. The 2012 Kia Rio5 sales should begin late Sept or early Oct here in the US, not Nov if all goes as planned. The first shipment arrivals have already hit some US Ports and lots more are on their way across the "pond". For a while, they will be in very short supply and I expect will be the hottest newly launched vehicle since the Mazda Miata Convertible was almost 2 decades ago. Availability, color selection and option content coupled with almost guaranteed full MSRP PLUS Dealer Fee`s will make many, including myself to wait it out a few months and be prepared to pay even a bit more as the US Dollar continues to regress against Foreign Currencies.
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    Phil, granted the 2012 Kia Rio5 has an options and features list a mile long but the 2012 Accent SE is not exactly what anyone would consider "bare bones". The only feature that I miss that is available on the Rio5 is the rear backup camera (the Accent's rear window is tiny). I like the driving dynamics and quietness of the Accent which is still an unknown on the Rio5. Apparently there are some folks out there that agree with me as the Accent was the hottest selling sub-compact in July, outselling the Ford Fiesta, Nissan Versa and Honda Fit.

    Actually my plan was to wait on purchasing the Accent and see a Rio5 comparison (ride and driving dynamics) but the Hyundai dealer made me an offer I couldn't refuse and it was exactly the color and model my wife wanted. I was surprised he was willing to negotiate because it was the first SE he received and it actually sat inconspicuously on the lot for a week. I know that it will be/is a hot seller but maybe people in my area don't know about it yet. All 7 of the 2012 Accents they received so far are gone now and they continue to just dribble in. Which begs the question, is it better to purchase a hot new model at introduction or wait until the supply builds up and the demand subsides? In most cases the latter approach results in a more favorable price but now with shifting tastes (more people are moving to small cars), a dropping greenback, increasing worldwide demand, and limited production, you may have a long wait and still end up paying more. The times they are a changing. ;)
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    Just like a friend of mine`s very wealthy Dad once told me, " You can`t be Too Smart"! Your fortunate that you found the exact vehicle you and your wife were looking for when the Hyundai Accent SE Hatchback was launched and even luckier that your Hyundai Dealership negotiated a good deal with you. With very limited inventory with any new car introduction, most Dealers will hold out for not only Full MSRP but add on additional "Dealer Fee`s" sometimes as high as $700. extra. Years ago they called in Dealer Prep, where the new vehicle you purchased got a (wash job) and the buyer got a (hose job). Now in most States where it is allowed, Dealerships have the so called Dealer Fee`s already printed on their Purchase Agreements and steadfastly tell the Consumer that (all) must pay it, like its the "Holy Grail" and if they deleted it from one customer and then charged it to another, they would be liable for "discrimination claims". Now to negotiate that "Fee" off the Purchase Price they would have to give you that allowance for that so called Dealer Fee as a price adjustment either as an additional cash discount or as an added (trade in value allowance) in order to compensate for the added invoice amount.
    On the matter of the "drivability" differences between the 2012 Hyundai Accent and the upcoming 2012 Kia Rio, I don`t expect (any) significant changes since they share almost all of the same mechanical components. The claim I made of the new Accent being a "Bare Bones" decontented vehicle compared to the Rio is too long to list in its entirety. Although these options and features may not be of interest to (you or others) depending on the added price of the features, at least they are available for those that want them. LED Daytime Running Lights and LED Tail Lights, Power Moonroof, Adjustable Steering Wheel (all positions), Leather Interior, Navigation System, Idle/Stop/Go Technology, Exterior Mirror Directional Signal Indicators, Heated Mirrors,Steering Wheel, and Front Seat, (Like I need that here in SO FL) and a host of other features and options that are (all) N.A. on the 2012 Hyundai Accent regardless of what Model/Trim Level you choose. Curious that Hyundai did not offer the Rear View Camera Monitor as an option since it will be mandated as Standard Equipment in (all) US vehicles within the next 2 years. Anyway, enjoy your new ride, and I hope for you and your wife`s sake you don`t end up suffering from "Buyers Regret" once the 2012 Kia Rio5 is launched next month.
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    Not a chance of buyer's remorse. If they become popular options on the Rio5, the Hyundai will add them later to the Accent. When I purchase a car, one of my criteria is resale value. Consequently, I have owned many Hondas. When it comes time to sell, it is both easy to unload and you get top dollar. Case in point is my wife's 2006 Honda Civic EX 4 door. In my area, the average private party asking price is $12,340 for a car that sold new for $18,300 (before tax and license). That is a depreciation cost of only $6000 in almost 6 years or $1000 per year. I expect the 2012 Hyundai Accent will have similar great value retention and ease of sale so when it comes time, it won't be painful to unload.

    Have you checked the value of the US dollar today? Both it and the Euro dropped 5% against the Swiss franc. The Canadian dollar and South Korean wan are strong currencies so prices of their products relative to our dollar will inevitably rise. As a hedge, you can buy their currencies or better yet, if you believe in Hyundai market growth, you can invest in their stock. It is down about 20% recently from its peak but I am confident it will spring back and upward barring any catastrophe.

    Dan Neil, one of my favorite automotive journalists, wrote an interesting article in Saturday's WSJ on the Accent and Hyundai. He's writes in a very engaging style and is usually right on. Here's the link in case you are interested:

    link WSJ title
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    hcalcat; Thanks for the (Link). Great Article, and since I too am an owner of a 2011 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback since July of 011`, I could`nt agree more. I have no problem with the Hyundai product, I traded in my 06` Sonata for my new Fiesta, and I still drive my 06` Kia Rio5 Hatchback, that I`ve owned since new and driven almost 70K without hardly any mechanical issues to speak of. Thats why I`m looking forward to replacing it with the upcoming 2012 Kia Rio5. Even if the new Accent Hatchback had the options and content that the Rio will have, I still would have opted for the Kia primarily because the Accent Rear looks too much "Fiesta Like" and I much prefer the Euro look of the Rio5. I have to admit though, I do prefer the "Instrumentation Cluster" of the Accent over that of the Rio. That Kia 3 "Bullet Cluster" instrument panel does (not) do it for me as well as the "Red Illumination". That misplaced "cubbyhole" to the right of the Rearview Camera/Entertainment Display Monitor is another "faux pas" IMO. But, since Peter Schreyer, former Audi Designer had the final say, who am I to say he`s wrong with his past (track record). Like everything else in life, its all about adding up all the pluses against all the minuses and then determining what works best for you. Again, enjoy your new Accent and I will certainly "Post" my experience and impressions of the 2012 Kia Rio5 on this Blog as soon as I`m able to find the one I`m looking for that has all the options and content that I want and in the color choice (both interior & exterior) I prefer. I think I`m in for a bit of a wait. Even if I locate the vehicle, negotiating a (reasonable) price will be another matter. I still remember the hysteria that followed the launch of Mazda Miata 2 seat Convertible 2 decades ago. History tends to repeat itself, it seems.
  • hcalcathcalcat Posts: 30
    Nothing wrong with waiting. In fact, at the rate cars are improving these days, patience is a virtue and can reap big dividends. Case in point, the new 2012 Mazda3 will feature Skyactiv technology in its drivetrain which is able to squeeze more mileage and power out of its engine. Sounds sweet. Here's a link to some details:

    2012 Mazda3
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    that's exactly what the new 1.6L GDI engine does that's in the 2012 Rio, Accent and Soul.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    this link has now been added to the Kia Canada website as we get close to official launch
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 319
    To correct an earlier Posting I made pertaining to the release of all the pertinent information regarding the U.S. version of the upcoming 2012 Kia Rio5, I stated it would be released either on Mon Aug. 15 or Tues Aug.16, I got an update from my contact at Kia Media, "S.H." it (will) be released tomorrow at (9:00) AM, PST Aug 17. Vehicle should hit U.S. Dealerships by late Sept or early Oct. The wait is almost over! Hooray!
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