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Hyundai Sonata Hybrid

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  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Tradeins are getting much higher values now, especially if they are in really good shape, mainly due to the C4C fiasco and crushing so many used cars that left dealers scrambling for trades when they were done. A lot of dealers had no used cars to sell, which for many is their cash cow, that is where their real money making is. They can make 3K on a used car far easier than they can on a new car, and for the most part that is about the cushion between trade and retail.
  • reglee51reglee51 Posts: 16
    I didn't know about motozuma :( could have gotten $500 less....
    Anyways, I think the deal I got is impossible to beat. In June 2010, I bought my 2010 Prius II for about 22,400 (+6% tax + 300 tags etc = <24000) which is a few hundred above invoice. I put 25,000 mi on it. Hyundai dealer gave me 22,900 for it in May 2011. I got true invoice for my Sonata Hybrid + premium package. So the dealer made the $700 dealer holdback from me... If you discount the taxes, I actually MADE money on my Prius :). On top of that I got a brand new model (first one the dealership received) at true invoice price!!!
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Hey, maybe we are on to something. I traded my Prius in on a Hyundai and made money on it too. I made a boat load of money on mine, got back more than I paid on it after taxes and interest.
  • reglee51reglee51 Posts: 16
    "Be greedy when others are scared." Gas price spiked and Toyota production slumped due to Japan earthquake. Demand for Prius in particular went through the roof. Now that prices are bit lower I doubt it'll continue.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Except I sold mine back in 2008 and made a killing, before there were any gas price problems. Had I known gas would be as high as it is, I would have kept it.
  • myhybrid1myhybrid1 Posts: 2
    I bought a 2011 Limited Sonata Hybrid 3 weeks ago and have put 1800 miles on it so far and my mpg isn't great. In the city, I'm getting 26 and on the hwy only 30. Is anyone else having this problem? The dealer has had it for 3 days and says there isn't anything wrong with it but that they have no idea why the mileage isn't better. The service mgr told me to give it another 1000 miles.
  • myhybrid1myhybrid1 Posts: 2
    I bought a 2011 Limited Sonata Hybrid 3 weeks ago and have put 1800 miles on it so far and my mpg isn't great. In the city, I'm getting 26 and on the hwy only 30. Is anyone else having this problem? The dealer has had it for 3 days and says there isn't anything wrong with it but that they have no idea why the mileage isn't better. The service mgr told me to give it another 1000 miles.
  • kyrptokyrpto Posts: 216
    edited June 2011
    Your MPG seems low.

    The first fill up the Sonata&#146;s trip computer indicated 42.6 MPG; calculating shows 42.79 MPG. 570 miles w/ about an 1/8th tank remaining. Drove the hybrid 2100 miles in first 30 days.

    Best mpg was the 47.5 for 250 miles coming back from NOVA after vehicle purchase April 29th. The 2nd and 3rd full tanks yielded 39 and 40 mpg with the 39 the car reported being 36.95 via manual calculating while the 40 mpg reading on display ended up being just over 42 in calculation.

    Had an oil and filter change at 2,600 miles yesterday and filled up again today; 40.3 mpg on trip computer.

    We're using AC - its' 94 right now - and most of the miles are from a 75 mile round trip commute.

    To be fair we had almost five years experience with an '06, 7 passenger Highlander Hybrid AWD; best mpg was 30 once on an 80 mile drive. It consistently got 26 mpg.

    You have to have a very "light" right foot.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Sounds like you are driving it like a regular car. Don't, you will get regular car MPG if you do. You have to drive it like a hybrid. Light throttle, pulse and go, etc. Google hybrid driving techniques for more information.
  • kyrptokyrpto Posts: 216
    For the last fill up the car read 40.3 mpg; calculating shows 39.53 mpg.
  • reglee51reglee51 Posts: 16
    About 2500 mi, 37.04mpg, 33.81mpg, 43.66mpg (half tank), 34.38mpg, 37.22mpg. I do about 70% highway (70+) now and 30% suburban, very hilly. I think I've gotten used to the car now and can consistently get 38+mpg calculated. Try keeping constant throttle... unless its too hilly, that works really well. I've found that unless the hills are too steep/long, keeping the eco meter slightly above the 3rd marking keeps me at 55-65mph and close to 40-45mpg average. It'll speed you up going down and slow you down going up...
  • nelson1nelson1 Posts: 41
    My 2004 Cadillac DeVille has the battery under the back seat. The original battery lasted 6 yrs. There is a 1/4" rubber tube that vents the battery thru the floor of the car.
  • kyrptokyrpto Posts: 216
    The diff between trip computer and "manual" calculation on our Sonata hybrid seems to be quite variable; sometimes over, other times under.

    Would be curious to see how others are doing.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    edited June 2011
    The onboard ones are never accurate. They work off the vacuum, float level and miles driven on some cars, and fuel flow, float level and miles driven on others. Way too many variables to get an accurate reading. The one in my F350 is off at least 10 MPG, it reads 32MPG, when it is really only getting 18. It jumped up from 28 when I changed the PCM out for a tuned 80 HP programmed PCM. Hand calculating per fill works better, and is more accurate. The one thing that will skew the readings is topping off, if you are consistent with hitting the right mark when full on the tank, the more accurate the readings will be. For my diesel, the top off on that varied by as much as 3 gallons, so I had to make sure I saw the fuel in the filler neck before clicking off the pump, otherwise I could be off by several gallons. Depending on temperature, it could be up to 6 gallons between first click off and topped off. The reason is Ford put a gasoline tank in the diesel truck, the overflow tube stuck too far down into the tank for expansion that isn't needed for diesel. For the cars, usually 2 clicks on the pump put me pretty close to equal fills. Usually was only off a few ounces, so I had more consistent readings. I would take several fills and then average it out.

    I believe the most accurate way would be to measure the fuel flow into the injectors, and return flow from the injectors, and subtract the latter from the former to show just how much fuel is used, but only cars with a return system will support that, and for the most part, the differences in fuel pressure may affect the outcome sine the input will be much higher than the output.
  • nseagirlnseagirl Posts: 2
    I bought mine on April 23rd and am experiencing the same kind of mileage.
  • nseagirlnseagirl Posts: 2
    I bought my Sonata Hybrid on April 23rd and have had to have it towed in twice because it wouldn't start. Foot on brake, push button, NOTHING, nada, nil! The first time they told me it was a brake sensor malfunction. I don't know what they'll tell me this time. I am so dissapointed! I drive out of town frequently and it's hard to have a car that I can't trust. Is anyone else having this issue?
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Not surprised, it is first year production and some vehicles will have growing pains. It could be the brake sensor again, possibly they didn't get it right the first time and it moved.
  • flyboy21flyboy21 Posts: 7
    I have a 2011 sonata and sometimes it take a little more pressure on the brake pedal to make it start. But it always starts.
    I tried to start the car by just pressing the start button and holding the start button in until it started. I did not put my foot on the brake pedal. It took about 15 seconds of holding the button in to get it to start, but it did start. Now 15 seconds seems like a long time when you want it to start. I check my watch so verify the time required to start the car. So next time don't panic just stay cool and try to start it by holding the start button in for 15 seconds.
  • kyrptokyrpto Posts: 216
    Supply seems to be increasing on the East Coast; Fairfax Hyundai is showing 10 Sonata hybrids on their internet site.
  • reglee51reglee51 Posts: 16
    I'm at about 3600mi now. Did my break in oil change at 2500mi w/ 5w20 Castrol Edge w/ Titanium ($50 from walmart).

    I'm pleased to report that my less than stellar fuel efficiency previously (35-40mpg) was probably due to my poor driving style (although I used to get 52mpg consistently on my Prius 2010). During my drive this morning, (120mi 80% highway 20% suburban, very hilly, 65-75F, w/o AC) I got 47mpg (computer) which equates to roughly 45mpg using CRUISE CONTROL. Previously I've only gotten roughly 35-38mpg on this route w/o AC w/o CC. These are the sort of numbers I was expecting to see from this highway cruiser!!!

    Never had issues with starting the car. Only time it didn't fully start was because I didn't depress the brake enough or tried to press the start button too quickly before the brake was depressed.

    Also, the Sonata trip computer only appears to be off by 1-2mpg consistently, not so much as the F350... My previous 2007 (4cyl) and 2008(6cyl) Sonatas were also only off by 1-2mpg. Always overestimated.
  • vinster29vinster29 Posts: 23
    I have been searching for a 2011 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Premium for over two months and have only found two in the whole state of Florida!! Why is Hyundai limiting the supply of their premium sonata hybrids? And of course, because of the limited supply their is some serious price gouging going on to the point where dealers are asking 5,000 dollars above MSRP? That is ridiculous!! :mad: In my opinion, if Hyundai wants to establish themselves in the Hybrid market they need to start producing more premium sonata hybrids and offering customers more incentives to buy their hybrid vehicles!!
  • vinster29vinster29 Posts: 23
    Does anyone know when Hyundai will be releasing their 2012 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid. I know the 2012 will come with Blue-link which is Hyundai's version of On Star but I have not heard of any other new features that they will be offering in the 2012. Has anyone heard anything about the 2012 Sonata Hybrid?
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    They are pushing the lower cost one right now, just to get them on the road, and dealers don't want them sitting on their lots, which is what most likely will happen until their proven reliable. Besides, first year production models have bugs. Wait another year for the '12 to hit the market, you will most likely see a lot more premium models out then.
  • reglee51reglee51 Posts: 16
    I don't disagree that new models have a few bugs but much of the car is the same as the other 2011 Sonatas and therefore should be just as reliable regarding those components. I wouldn't put off getting a 2011 just because it's a first model year... there have been two minor TSB's so far, neither are hybrid related and neither are critical. Once the 2012's come out the 2011's should get back closer to or below MSRP. Unless you want the new 'OnStar' like features on the premium, the 2011's will be just as good as the 2012's. You can't always chase the newest model or you'll never get a car. Keep in mind that new car prices each year tend to increase also.

    In any case, I think all my local dealers have at least one premium in stock. Some of us were able to get well below MSRP... perhaps make a drive to another state to get the premium?
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Well considering I bought a 2010 Flex Ecoboost, which was a first year model, you can see I dont hold to the first year bug thing much, However, a lot of people do, which was what I was trying to say. Because of that, I believe quite a few dealers are holding off on purchasing the premium models for stock until they start to get feedback on how well the lower end model sells. If someone wants a Premium, the dealer can always order one. Most dealers can also swap with other dealers to make sales. When I bought my Fusion Sport, that is exactly what the dealer did. Swapped a model the other dealer wanted for the one I wanted.
  • vinster29vinster29 Posts: 23
    I agree that dealers are trying to push their low end models to gauge how much demand their is for the Sonata hybrid, but in my experience the premium vehicles are the ones that are selling like wildfire, while the base models just sit on the lots. And while it is true that you can order one, dealers are not willing to make deals on premium cars that customers want to order when they have 10 base sonata hybrids sitting on the lot.
  • kyrptokyrpto Posts: 216
    Sales info of Top Ten hybrids for June 2011 according to hybridcars.com's website:

    Toyota Prius 4,340
    Hyundai Sonata 1,422
    Honda Insight 1,021
    Ford Fusion 969
    Honda CR-Z 966
    Ford Escape 826
    Linc. MKZ Hybrid 483
    Toyota Camry 449
    Honda Civic 418
    Lexus RX450h 413

    This in only the SECOND full month of nationwide availability.
  • greendoggreendog Posts: 8
    Kudo's to the Koreans and this up and coming brand... Yet the #'s have a lot to do with the fact that they have product and the others don't. I need to replace my TCH - not much to choose from right now if you like the hybrid sedans. Premium KOPtima hybrids are starting to hit. Are we going to get the advertised mileage with the Hyundai or Kia and the smooth transition that the Toyota and Ford drive trains get with their Synergy drives and CVT's? More questions than answers right now.
  • kyrptokyrpto Posts: 216
    The CVTs found in all Lexus-Toyota hybrids exhibits a condition called "motoboarding."
    Its similar to a boat getting up on a plane. Even vehicles with so called "shift" points have this "side effect."

    Having driven a 1st gen Toyota Highlander hybrid for almost 5 years, I should know. While the Hh was a great vehicle, I won't miss the booming, elasticized drone of its CVT.

    IMO, the Sonata driving experience is way, way better than the Camry Hybrid or any other hybrid vehicle built by Toyota.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    The Hyundai is more car like in its transmission than any other hybrid, so people will have better transitioning to the Sonata Hybrid than to any other CVT based hybrid, because, it is what they are used to. However, because it uses gearing instead of planetary gear sets, city MPG wont be as good as the CVT based models, but will excel on highways. CVT's work great at lower speeds because the motors are built into them and can run at the lower speeds, when you get past 45 MPH the motor cant turn fast enough so it needs gas to back it up, which is why the CVT based Hybrids can only get up to about 45 MPH on pure electric. Because the Hyundai uses a geared tranny though, it can match the output of the electric motor to a better gear ratio and deliver higher speeds on pure electric since the motor doesn't need to turn at high speeds as in the CVT. The only limiting factor then is battery capacity. Downside though is because it is geared, if the gear ratio is not optimum for the speed it is driving, it would either have to be in a lower gear, or lug in the higher gear, either of which can use more energy than the CVT does since the CVT optimizes at any speed since it has no fixed gear ratios.
    This is why Ford and Toyota use CVT transmissions in their Hybrids, to get the most out of city, not highway driving. It also is a reason the engines are limited in horsepower, the CVT is not as strong as a geared transmission, so even with a V6, the horsepower is not very high, it would tear the CVT up. If you look at non hybrid models that use/used a CVT, the horsepower is low, and Ford, even though they got great MPG in the 500, pulled them from production, they are just too weak at this point to be reliable in anything but a hybrid. A few years down the line though, you may start seeing them being used more as they design stronger units.
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