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  • It's really apples and oranges. Remember, I have the coupe, with 280 hp. My 1999 Passat GLX had 190 hp, I think, so the difference is truly staggering. The G35c is much more fun to drive. I don't want to give the impression I didn't like the Passat, because I did. As an alternative to the Camry and Accord, it's much sportier. In comparison to the G35c, well, it loses in the sportiness department.

    I personally like the high-tech nature of the Infiniti's interior, although I agree the Passat is more luxurious. I also had some electronic problems and other problems with the Passat although they were mostly livable. So far, I've had the G35c since last November, have about 5600 miles, and the only problem I've had was with the CD changer, which had to be replaced.
  • jburschjbursch Posts: 11
    I have been quoted (over the phone) any car at invoice plus $500. Is this a good deal? or should I ask for more? Thanks.

  • stanny1stanny1 Posts: 962
    How much is that? On what? We need to know. The dealer still has other ways to make a little but they want to move the 03's.
    The economy sucks in many places, but here in San Diego, the FXes are really moving.
  • jburschjbursch Posts: 11
    Sorry for the being vague. An FX 35, Sports package, roof rails, mud flaps. Really any package I asked for the dealer offered $500 over invoice (Invoice = $37,005). This is in Los Angeles. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
  • knockoffknockoff Posts: 72
    Anyone tried any off-road excursions with your FX? I keep coming back to this forum because I really like the FX but I like to do light off-roading.
  • sprintrpssprintrps Posts: 62
    The price sounds right for Southern California. The dealers I have been to in Orange County are loaded with '03's. I just don't know if the good price is worth it, when evaluated against the huge depreciation when the ,o4's arrive in a few weeks. Does anyone know how many FX's were sold this yyear? I was at a dealer today who hadd 66 on the lot and he told me that they would all be gone before the 04's arrived. Is the car this hot of a seller??
  • stanny1stanny1 Posts: 962
    The two dealers in San Diego I negotiated with had lots of FXes but not in DG with Tech.
    So it depends on what you want or will take.
    It's all "remaining inventory", but there is a lot of it.
    The dealers are relunctant to do dealer trades because they need to sell what they have, and some dealers don't want to trade valuable colors out but keep and sell them themselves. So sometimes you have to find the car on and go to the dealer that has it.
    $500 over invoice - well it depends if you can get the car you want. I doubt whether the dealer will trade at $500 over invoice.
    Of course, the dealers will probably not offer $500 over invoice if you wait for an '04.
    In general, the Fx has been a good seller, and since this is the first year, it's a real market test as to color, trim and option popularity. No doubt we will see changes in package mixes as well in '04.
  • psb1013psb1013 Posts: 92
    In a FX? must be joking! (If you're not, get a Jeep)
  • stanny1stanny1 Posts: 962
    Only 3% of SUVs are taken off-road, and the FX is fairly removed from the off-road design school. The most immediate limitation are the low profile tires. You need some serious sidewall cushion for off-road or your wheels are going to be toast.
    I was back in Nebraska in a real small town, on a dirt road after two days of rain last month.
    Being from San Diego almost since birth, I'd never gotten in such an unavoidable situation. If I had been in my Lincoln LS, I'm sure I would have been walking to town to borrow a shovel or a tractor tow.
    But I just kept the 45 below 13 mph so the AWD would work, and while I drifted around in the mud from side to side, I never stopped and I made it through to the other (dry) side.
    That was the extent of my lifetime off-pavement, and I paid my pennance at the local do-it-yourself car wash blasting off the mud with about $12.00 worth of quarters. Thank goodness the mudflaps were installed at the L.A. port of entry, or that mud would have been ALL over the car.
    By the way, there are all kinds of nooks and crannies under the body for mud to settle. A real off-roader would have complete wheel well inner liners.
    Doing an H2, over the rock thing, is of course, way out of the question with the FX.
    But then the H2 does 0-60 in about 15 seconds, does .70 g in corners, and gets 10 mpg no matter how you drive it. It's as bad on the road as the FX is off-road.
    If you really want to go off-road, buy a Jeep Wrangler. It can climb rocks better than a Hummer. It's relatively light and less likely to flip over. It's a lot less than 53k also. My neighbor just picked up a mint used one for 14k from an older lady who simply tired of it.
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    Just returned from our annual family vacation to a resort in Northern Minnesota, and it was naturally our first trip up there using our FX45, which I am pleased to report lived fully up to expectations, and performed flawlessly during the trip. The car did great towing my fishing boat (17 1/2 feet, deep and wide, with 420 lb outboard), and with the V8 it never felt strained in the least. Loaded, the boat weighs about 2,500 lbs and we had about another 850 lbs inside the car, including us humans. On the way there, I actually had a couple of goofy teenagers in a Honda Civic pull up to me at a stop sign, gunning there engine wanting to race despite us having the rather severe weight penalty of the boat and a completely loaded interior. When the light turned green, he floored it, and I easily kept abreast of him without even pushing the accelerator halfway down! (I like to take it easy on all of the car's parts when towing).

    Upon arrival, in the adjacent small town which is about 200 miles from the nearest Infiniti dealer, the vehicle naturally drew plenty of long stares and many second looks, when cruising down Main Street and when parking it to get a bite to eat. I'm sure that for most everyone there it was the first time ever seeing an FX. This is a town where you see more SUV's and pickup trucks than sedans, and probably 95% of them are your conventional American makes.

    Once at the resort, fellow guests - nearly all of whom we know from years' past - had lots of questions throughout the entire week. One guy remarked, "God, those wheels are HUGE, what are they, 17's?" <g>

    The only downside of the trip was that one night a real bad storm came through, with tornado warnings lasting for more that two hours. Fortunately we didn't get any tornado's, but very unfortunately we did experience a pretty wicked thunderstorm which included some FREAKIN' HAIL! The adjacent tall trees helped shelter the car some, but I took about three pretty good hits, including one very noticeable dent on the hood, which I'm having looked at early next week. Hopefully the paintless dent expert that I've used before on a previous car for door dings can get it looking like new again. Up until that evening the paint was flawless, as it's always been garaged, except of course when it's been driven! Shoot, even the 8 coats of wax that I had applied in the past three months since taking delivery couldn't protect it completely against those damn hail stones, which I was told reached the size of ping-pong balls. It was a very sick feeling indeed, suddenly hearing those stones crash against the sides and roof of the little cabin we were staying in, and not being able to do anything to save the exterior of my car! :-( But compared to some of the other cars there that were more exposed, we came out relatively well, as some of the others took dozens of indentations. We were actually relieved that we avoided an actual tornado, as it was a very scary sky that evening, with low, rotating cloud masses and what appeared to be funnels off in the distance, which we got a good view of with our lakeside view.

    So it was "almost perfect" week, and with the excellent fishing - coupled with the great-handling FX to tool around with on those smooth, blacktop roads winding through the forests - once the boat was unhitched - the fun we had easily overcame the three small dents I drove home with. Once those imperfections are smoothed over, I'll just remember all the fun parts.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Only 3% of SUVs are taken off-road...

    I can't seem to find any reliable references for that. If you have one I'd really appreciate your sharing it! Thanks!

    tidester, host
  • daschtickdaschtick Posts: 63
    Great review! That is exactly the kind of duty I am looking at an FX for.
  • clpurnellclpurnell Posts: 1,087
    Great review. The fx is a great family vacation car. Hope you are able to get it looking like new after those hail storms.
  • stanny1stanny1 Posts: 962
    Just a quick check on Google for "SUV Statistics" came up with a 90% never "off-road" at
    Of course, one has to agree on the definition of "off-road" use.
    I don't think driving down dirt driveways, puddle-jumping in the winter, and dirt-road duties really qualifies.
    Maybe we should include everything from a little desert trail driving to the extreme Rubicon Trail stuff where the Wrangler boys tear front axles out.
    Surely, almost all typical SUVes are ill equipped for much more than going over 2" rocks. Their front ends are way too delicate.
    You can probably name using one hand the popular models that could really handle true off-road.
    That would be the Wrangler, Land Rover, the Land Cruiser derivatives.
    I don't know if the H2 is a real SUV since the Sport part is way too deficient. It's really out of it's element on concrete and asphalt. It only does .70g on corners, which makes the C&D worst list (3 positions of ten this year).
    Let's also consider the "insurance problem". What is AAA going to do when you call them up on Monday morning to tell them you rolled your 80k
    Land Rover or Cayenne.
    I think the more adventurous try out their SUV off-road just once. They probably pay for the experience one way or another.
    90% of these vehicles don't have real 4 wheel drive systems anyway. Locking front,center and rear differentials separate the serious with money from the amateurs and their ho-daddy affordable SUV's.
    Like the seniors with Corvettes that have to get the dealer to clean out the carbon with chemicals, the well to do that buy Cayennes and Land Rovers are usually used to rolling coffins for their other vehicles and never use them to their potential.
    Whatever you drive, I think it's important to explore both the vehicle's and your limitations.
    There is a lot of wasted vehicular potential out there.
    It's like putting Northstars in granny Cadillacs. Why waste those engines in overweight
    FWD rolling coffins. A 3800 pushrod Buick V-6 would do the same for those drivers.
    My next "car" to replace the Manual Lincoln LS I just turned in may be the CTS V. Should have the Northstar but I'll take the 400hp small block.
    At least it will have truth in its purpose.
    Not like the makers of SUVs that give the impression that you can actually go "off-road" for $20k.
  • ichiban470ichiban470 Posts: 45
    For those who want one , I just ordered a front end mask (bra) for my FX45 at my local Infiniti dealer today ( S.F. Bay Area ) . The parts guy said the front end mask is made by Nissan so I'm not sure what company they are using ?

    Will post once I receive it ....
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Thanks! I have no idea how poseur.4x4 arrives at those numbers but one does wonder when the front page announces Welcome to the original SUV satire page on the web!

    I am not sure anyone has reliable stats on how many SUVers do offroading. Oh, well, I'll keep looking!

    tidester, host
  • stanny1stanny1 Posts: 962
    I take all the main car mags. I've seen all kinds of references to this stat.
    I'll dig around also.
    I know here in Socal that we have a load of SUVs that could never go on even a dirt road.
    You know, the "mobile jewelry" type with chromed 22-24" wheels and ribbon tires. I'd be afraid of a small pothole with these rigs. Most of them are Navigators.
    Have you seen the chrome wheels with the "spinning discs" that spin after the SUV stops?
    Mobile Jewelry for sure. Who says form follows function. Not here.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    "fewer than five percent of all SUV owners ever take their SUVs off-road, according to auto industry surveys."

    National Center for Public Policy Research. Naturally they don't reference the surveys. The Detroit Project agrees with them.

    A Big 3 surveys says "only 13 percent of sport utility vehicles are driven off road."

    Independent Insurance Agents of NJ (supposedly is quoting an IIHS study).

    Steve, Host
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Steve: Naturally they don't reference the surveys.

    Exactly! I've never seen the original source material though it's often alluded to!

    Stanny: You know, the "mobile jewelry" type with chromed 22-24" wheels and ribbon tires.

    Oh, yes! The kids drag race those things around here - pretty scary - though I haven't seen an Infiniti among them!

    tidester, host
  • stanny1stanny1 Posts: 962
    I'll die if I see an FX with spinning chrome wheels or a vinyl roof.
    It's just not in my culture.
    I hope they stay with the Navigators.
    They are slow and being slower won't matter.
    To spend 6 grand on being slower is beyond me. One of the mags tested an Expedition with chromed 23" wheels. It was actually slower than with the stock wheels.
    Instead of looks, wheel buyers should concentrate on offset and weight.
    Unfortunately, the wheel dealers don't even publish those #s. Some of the manufacturers do.
    HRE Performance Wheels just E-mailed me and wanted my car for fitment measurements for their 640R Series Forged Wheels, offering me a discount for being a guinea pig. These are not chrome wheels but lighter forged units. These are not cheap wheels!
    I think that the only reason for new wheels is to reduce unsprung weight. Looks is secondary.
    Thank Goodness there are just a couple wheels available in the aftermarket, and those are just 20". Or we might see some real disasters like low-rider editions with 6" offsets and tacky chrome mudflaps, and two-level rear spoilers screwed to the tailgate. I know it's an eventuality but let's hope it's in a few years.
  • stanny1stanny1 Posts: 962
    Just got the price of a set of 22 x 9.5 HRE 640R SUV wheels off their website.
    Are you sitting down?
    How about $7200? Plus tax I'm sure.
    Their not chrome or gold plated but with some good tires, mounting and balancing, you might have ten big ones invested.
    Wheel locks would be a joke. They will just steal your FX!
  • etc42etc42 Posts: 8
    I just bought a copper 2WD Sport.
    I read the manual but what real advice is there regarding break in procedure? What is the max speed recommended. Are there "shavings" requiring Oil change/trans fluid changes, at what mileage?
    What kind of oil is installed from the factory?

    Also anyone know where you can get the 3M film near Ontario California, Southern Calif?
  • crikeycrikey Posts: 1,041
    Save your dough, dude. There are better, more worthwhile ways to spend 10Gs. Just my 2 cents.
  • stanny1stanny1 Posts: 962
    I agree. Even with the best wheels, or the lightest wheels, you'd have to have instrumentation to detect any performance parameter improvement.
    Almost all the new wheels you see on SUVs are there for looks.
    Some are not really proper for the vehicle (offset, weight, diameter, not hub-centric), but the consumer does not know and buys for looks only.
    I do want a different look and I don't want the mobile jewelry mode. Then I'd have to start wearing a baseball cap backward, and driving slow in the right lane. Not my style.
    Maybe I'll have the wheels painted or exchange them for the 2004's.
    Infiniti does not recommend replacement wheels because you will likely lose the tire pressure monitior function.
    Evidently, the sensor/transmitter module cannot be removed and adapted/mounted to just any new wheel.
  • psb1013psb1013 Posts: 92
    Anybody going to get the soon-to-be-released OEM 20" chrome wheels for the FX from Infiniti? I wonder what the price will be?
  • stanny1stanny1 Posts: 962
    I've had my FX with the Bose orgy system for a month now.
    11 speakers and 300 watts makes me wonder: Where is the 300 watts and what are the 11 speakers supposed to do?
    The two speakers in the spare tire "Sub" housing seem to be on vacation. The four small door speakers in my Lincoln LS produced more bass.
    The four 2.5" drivers in the dash seem to overpower the door speakers, which are trying to reproduce the mids and low mids. But the dash speakers are way too present.
    I've e-mailed Bose and the co-inventor of the proprietary Bose software logarithm.
    I know the old saying in the Audiophiile world is "No highs, no lows; that's Bose".
    Well, I've got the highs. No problem. Clear and bright. But the low and mids are not to be found.
    There is no "comp" or loudness switch. The best I can do is max out the "volume compensation" control that makes up for ambient noise.
    I've tried the balance/fader but that just reduces the presence.
    The Bose system is supposed to be "non-modifiable". That means you have to junk the entire system, including the wierd 1-2 ohm speakers.
    I think I will try a "DashMat" to dampen the dash speakers and then add some acoustic padding underneath the Mat to attenuate the volume even more if necessary.
    Do any of my fellow FX owners have this problem?
  • LanceL99LanceL99 Posts: 39
    Has anyone encountered a used FX yet? I have a FX35 RWD w/ tech pkg that I need to sell. White exterior / tan interior. 10.3K miles. Flawless.
  • psb1013psb1013 Posts: 92
    I think the Bose audio is rather pretty good in the FX....way beter than the ones in Nissan Maxima's and Acura TL's/MDX's. Sure, it's no Mark Levinson, but the bass is pretty good in my opinion.....specifically tuned for rock music according to Infiniti. I think it would have been great if Infiniti made the audio Dolby Digital 5.1 since there's already a center channel speaker in the middle of the dash. But overall, I have no complaints.
  • psb1013psb1013 Posts: 92
    Curious...why are you selling your FX? Don't tell me you're bored already!
  • juice9911juice9911 Posts: 4
    Which website is better for getting accurate vehicle prices for the FX35? I've tried Edmunds and NADA and they are different. If you add the cost of the Sport pkg. in, do you add the cost of the Premium pkg. in too? Thanks.
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