Hyundai Elantra GT vs. Mazda Protege5
How do think these two hatchbacks compete against each other? Pro/cons on them? Which do think would be more reliable? Give me your views and opinions on them.
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Hyundai Elantra GT
Kia Spectra (new design, engine for 2002)
Kia Rio 5-door
The above might be very worthwhile to compare for price/performance issues.
Others -- the Mazda Protege, Subaru Impreza, Ford Focus 5-doors/wagons -- offer a very different comparison. Wouldn't the Mazda be (a) more expensive, and (b) more refined than the Korean cars? (Hey, that could be wrong...)
In fact, I would like to see how the Elantra GT compares to the new Spectra with the new 2.0-liter from the Elantra. Which will have better price/performance? Now that could be an useful comparison.
Those comparisons would be nice. However when, I tried discussing such things I was informed that the Focus 5 door wasn't available in the U.S. nor would it be made available. Perhaps this has change? Regarding the Impreza, I was inform that it was considered a station wagon and not to be discussed on the hatchback forum.
The Mazda will be more expensive than the Hundai, but more refined? Possibly. But I'm comapring the various features. The Hyundai GT seem equally equiped as the Protege HB: all wheel disc brakes, ABS, side air bags, pw/pl, sports tuned suspension. Some might be options on one model and standard equipment on the other. But the seem to very comparable feature for feature.
Heck, I'd even like to through the Toyota Matrix in the mix, but that is a 2003 model. HB owners will have some choices in the next few years. A nice change of pace.
Focus ZX5 five-door Arrives in North America
Toronto, Canada, Feb. 14 — Ford's Focus is poised for greater popularity when the new 2002 five-door ZX5 model arrives this fall at Ford showrooms across Canada and the United States. The ZX5 made its North American debut at the Canadian International Auto Show in Toronto.
In both the U.S. and Canada, the new ZX5 is expected to have broad appeal . . .
The Focus ZX5 will be manufactured in Hermosillo, Mexico, and pricing will be announced closer to introduction.
With the same styling cues and performance-oriented features of the ZX3 three-door hatchback, including the peppy 130-hp, 2.0-liter Zetec four-cylinder engine, ...
It appears so!
In any case, the Golf is a blast to drive and while reliability may not be the absolute top of the list, it is not really horrible either. I have a 98 Jetta and other than a leaky sunroof when I first got it (covered under warrenty) I have not had to take my car in for any unscheduled maintainance (Been religious about the scheduled maintainance though).
Hatchbacks/Station Wagons Message Boards
Regardless of which car you prefer, the consumer is the winner with many more HB to select from than in the recent past! Otherwise we have no debate of whose HB is better
With respect to the Accord DX, I really don't think that it is a better bargain than either the Mazda or Elantra. The interior room is not that much more; the engine output is similar; the standard equipment is less; and my guess is that the performance and handling is inferior. Also, fold-down rear seats are nice, but are not the equivalent of hatch. They help with long skinny items, but anything that is not proportioned to fit through the back doors or trunk opening is not going in the car (and that excludes a lot of stuff). Don't get me wrong, I had an old stripped Civic in the early-mid eighties and love Hondas, I just am not sure that the Accord fits the bill for what I am looking for.
I have not really looked at Hyundai or Mazda but I might when I look for my next car which I definitely want to be a hatchback... OF course I might decide to go all out and go with a Saab, GTI VR6 or a MB C class...
Firstly, I want a car with overall small dimensions. I have a narrow driveway and small garage, so the car can't be too long or too wide. Also, I prefer a smaller car for parking convenience. The Accord is almost 18" longer than the Mazda.
I also want a hatch to make it easier to transport my bicycle. While I will put it on a rack at times, if there is only me I would prefer to have the bicycle in the car.
I also want all the goodies. I like power windows and doorlocks (in fact I consider them both, but particularly doorlocks, to be a safety item). I also want cruise control and ABS and 4 wheel disc brakes and nice seats and... I don't buy a small car because it is cheap, I buy it because it is the right size for me.
Unfortunately, I read what you wrote and see you accusing Honda of misrepresenting what engine is in each car. Or perhaps you think that V-Tec is something that can be added or deleted from a car? EIther way, it's just not true.
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The Pro5 vs. Elantra GT is a good debate, they are direct competitors. There is much discussion about this in the Protege5 topic.
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The dealers don't do that.
On looks alone the Pro5 wins hands down. To me it is not even close. They had a red Pro5 on the floor. Really nice.
The Elantra GT looks pretty plain to me. A disappointment. I would prefer the GT simply for the value. Right now, I'm leaning to waiting for what is next. Hyundai's new Sonata, and Tiburon. Or maybe even Toyota's Matrix. BTW my brother-in-law is getting the Pro5. They are selling well. He cannot even get a test drive.
I definately see your point though. I won't go bigger then 16's on anything I buy simply because replacement tire cost starts to really get up there. The price jump from 16's to 17's, fo the same tire, can be huge.
I myself am struggling between purchasing the Elantra GT vs the P5. It's a tough decision!
Pro5 or Elantra GT? I don't know if I'll be able to decide this one until I drive them both.
1. Side Airbags (safety)
2. 4 Independent Suspension (smooth ride)
3. Traction Control (Cornering, Safety, etc.)
4. Sway Bar (Cornering, Curb wide turn)
5. Price and Warranty (Best in its class)
6. Leather Seats (luxury look)
7. 28.3 cubic ft-rear seats fold (many cargo space)
8. 25/35 city/hiway MPG (Great w/ sport car ride)
9. Sun/Moonroof (nice with good price)
10. ABS (another safety feature)
11. 3-Point seat belts/pretensioners w/ force limiters
Here is a list of its competitors:
1. Mazda Protege5
2. Subara Impreza Sportwagon
3. Ford Focus Z5
4. Pontiac Vibe
5. Toyota Matrix
6. Volkswagon Golf
7. ***Elantra GT***
As you also stated, the Protege boards have had quite a few complaints as well about initial defects.
And, Wow! You've already got 5,000 miles on your GT? Amazing! I've only got 1,700 miles on mine now after 18 days of ownership.
I was able to see my first GT at a Hyundai/Subaru dealer while visiting Alberta this weekend. The only one they had was a base model with a cheapo plastic interior and uncomfortable seats with cheapo fabric. There seem to be only two packages available in Canada: base and premium. I would like to have seen the premium version which they were asking $21495 CDN for. This is quite an amazing price considering the equipment included (leather seats, ABS, sunroof, traction control). But still, as soon as you sit down in the GT you immediately realize that this car has nowhere near the level of refinement of cars such as the Impreza or Golf. Nor would I expect it to for that price.
I'm not knocking Mazda (as my wife currently drives one and I have owned 4 in my life so far), but to me it seems their build quality is slowly deteriorating, especially since Ford has a lot of control now. As a matter of fact, our 1999 Protege ES was built in Japan, but I think the newer ones are built in the US, which, to me, means quality could take a downturn for the Protege. We'll have to wait and see I suppose.
It's important ot remember that what you read *here* is just one step short of hearsay. I's not statistical evidence, it's anecdotal.
The Protege is rated very highly by EVERY consumer magazine, with overall reliability and longevity right up there with the Honda/Toyota benchmarks. That's supported by statistical evidence.
I think Hyundai is the most improved auto manufacturer around, they get better every year, but they aren not up to Honda/Toyota/Mazda levels
My point is that you simpy cannot draw any conclusions, about any car, based on postings by anonymous Town Hallers. It's anecdotal evidence at best, and has no basis in actual, scientific, statistical analysis.