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Cadillac CTS/CTS-V



  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    bigdaddycoats : Spoilers look good on some cars and not on others. Not sure I can see it on the CTS, but who knows.

    cybersax : Acura makes great cars but they have one of the worst design studios around They really need to grab an imagination. I guess they sell anyway though. Lots of people like to blend with the crowd I guess.
  • wallywallawallywalla Posts: 26
    Thanks for the info on using the resume feature. I must admit that I was not the source of the problem but my better half was. I don't usually use cruise but I took the CTS out today and had a chance to see how it really works. You're right about how it operates and resumes to the previous setting. I think it does work quite well. I must now inform the other half , that it does work , does resume , and how exactly to use it. Wish me luck!
    Good luck with your Blue Onyx CTS. It is probably the only color that I haven't seen.I agree that some are questioning the interior but I think that it is O.K. I also like a car that doesn't look like every other car on the road. But the clones are coming I'm sure. Did you order it or get it at a dealer?
  • Congrats. on the CTS.

    If you don't mind me asking, what car that you had ordered cancelled in favor of the CTS? What car did you drove previously?

    J "CaddyLac"
  • rapsterrapster Posts: 2
    Pix of my Blue Onyx CTS with two-tone interior at

    "Sounds like you represent the target market Caddy was going after..."

    Ah, you're killing me! I hate to think I can be so easily pigeonholed! :-)

    "I'm also a little surprised at a 43K price tag. I don't think I've ever seen a CTS that expensive. Maybe rapster's in Canada..."

    Worse...California. Sticker was just under $40K with no give on the price, with tax and tags around $43K (as cybersax surmised)...and I DID say 'out the door'.

    I started off with an order at Wayne Stead Cadillac in Walnut Creek CA with an estimated delivery in 6-8 weeks. A month later I called to see what was happening and the salesman casually mentioned that the order was on hold due to a 'parts shortage' with no new ETA (he didn't even call to let me know!). I then jumped on the 'net and found the very car I ordered at Reliable Pontiac Cadillac in Roseville (>2 hours away). I called at 10 at night; the sales manager was just turning the lights off and I claimed the car (which was still on the truck). A week later I had my CTS! Woohoo!

  • automoleautomole Posts: 154
    ...I know what I'm doing on the paint upkeep and use Zaino, Mothers, me, the paint on my 300M is HORRIBLE.

    Currently I'm considering Copper Sunburst vs. Black. Black is my favorite car color but like you, I also like orange. I also like how the lighter colors make the CTS look a little bit larger where the darker colors tend to shrink the cars appearance a bit.

    I plan on visiting the dealer this week to try and make a deal on the CTS and am hoping I won't 'eat it' too bad on my 300M trade-in.

    Thanks for the info!
  • cybersaxcybersax Posts: 18
    "I started off with an order at Wayne Stead Cadillac in Walnut Creek CA with an estimated delivery in 6-8 weeks. A month later I called to see what was happening and the salesman casually mentioned that the order was on hold due to a 'parts shortage' with no new ETA (he didn't even call to let me know!). I then jumped on the 'net and found the very car I ordered at Reliable Pontiac Cadillac in Roseville (>2 hours away). I called at 10 at night; the sales manager was just turning the lights off and I claimed the car (which was still on the truck). A week later I had my CTS! Woohoo!"

    The same thing happened to me. I placed an order for the CTS back in early April. The dealer told me that he would know in one week when GM would produce the car, and it would be delivered in 6 weeks. In mid-May, the dealer still had no idea when the car would be made. My Dad told me that he was going to cancel the order if the car didn't come in by July, since we need the car mostly for the summer (I don't get to take it up to college, and he'll be driving it for a while once he returns his Lexus in September).

    So I spent the next few weeks frantically calling every single CTS dealer within 100 miles to locate a CTS with the luxury sports package, xenon headlights, and automatic transmission in silver, blue, or black. Both the xenon headlights and the luxury sports package were in extreme short supply, so I decided to compromise on the xenon headlights. Often times, dealers would get these cars on their lots, and they would be sold in a few hours. Ultimatly I was able to find something that I liked (black, luxury sports package, automatic tranmission, moonroof) at Don Massey Cadillac in Detroit (about 60 miles away). Just in the nick of time too, because some Cadillac dealers were getting pissed off at my repeated calls, and I was thinking about just forgetting the whole thing and going with a BMW or something.

    It's good General Motors has a production cap on the CTS, but that production cap is ridiculously low - to the point that it might frustrate buyers away. They need to raise it to ~5,000 units a month.
  • fav002fav002 Posts: 25
    This car looks amazing in black, like an F-117 Stealth fighter, especially with the windows tinted. Of course it's a $@^#*! to keep clean, but it's worth it! Check out my pics below...


    2003 Cadillac CTS
    Sable Black w/ 2-tone light gray / dark pewter interior
    CTS Luxury Sport Package
    Bose system w/ cassette & in-dash 6CD changer
    Getrag 5-speed manual
    High intensity discharge Xenon headlamps
    Express open sunroof
    Split-folding rear seat
    My CTS Pictures
  • cybersaxcybersax Posts: 18

    "Cadillac also fared well with two commercials for the CTS sports sedan, scoring 9.1 and 8.7.

    "Using Led Zeppelin ended up being dramatic for them," Spinella said. "When we broke down 'What do you like?' Led Zeppelin ended up with a 9.5 among all age groups."

    Cadillac's ad agency is D'Arcy Masius Benton & Bowles in Troy, Mich."

    The marketing for the CTS thus far, particularly the Led Zeppelin commercials, have been fitting for the car. It's been an incredibly well thought out and well executed campaign.

  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    Does anyone know what percentage of CTS's were purchased with the GM emplyee discount? I see a lot around the Detroit area which is to be expected, but just curious how many uninfluenced people were buying them vs. GM people looking for something different or new.

  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    I do not know about employee/v/non-employee figures. Last week the Chicago Tribune reported that more than 40% or the trade-ins for CTS were non-GM cars. This suggests at least a substantial number of CTS buyers did not have a previous employment or customer relationship to GM.
  • baron87baron87 Posts: 93
    According to the, GM has not decided whether to renew Cadillac's LMP program for next year, but it appears it will be dead. There just simply isn't enough money to properly fund the effort, for now at least. Unless a major corporate sponsor, willing to put up 100 mil. a year, is found by August 1, Cadillac's LMP program will be out of business.

    GM, not wanting to see Cadillac racing entirely die, has apparently forced a compromise, and entered the CTS in the GT class for the American LeMans Series in 2003. Things may not be entirely all that bad, after all.

  • wallywallawallywalla Posts: 26
    I am one of those uninfluenced CTS buyers. Previous to the CTS ,I was a Ford owner. I saw it and drove it and just had to have it! I never owned a GMC product in my life. Do now!
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    Hopefully the CTS will do better than the LMP, but I doubt it.
    I wonder how they can make that engine competitive with the one in the M3? It's not much of a race engine, in my opinion.
    Personally I think it would do well in NASCAR, but NASCAR fans probably don't have the right demographics.
  • baron87baron87 Posts: 93
    . . .and that my friend has the same engine in it as the Z06, which in turn is the same engine in the Corvettes that won first place in the GTS class at 24 Hours of LeMans this year, "Not much of a race engine"? What more do you need, it won first place for the Corvette?!?!
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    HEY ALL ! Was at Oswego NY Caddy dealer today
    They just dealer swapped a cashmere CTS for a
    black one. Stopped in.....34,900 sticker.
    It had roof,bose,sport pkg. They checked out
    my 96 Deville and offered 7k trade!
    But then I said will you do GM employee discount?
    They hemmed and hawed......I told the salesman
    IF you will me..if not..don't bother me.
    We will see ! I GOT to have one !

    Fav 02...excellent pics !........geo
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I was driving behind a CTS on the QEW today to watch people passing it as it cruised down the highway. I would say 50%+ turned their heads to looks. Car is definitely not blending in which is great. One thing I did notice is when the tail lights come on, only the tops of the long rear fixture come on. I didn't notice this before (and obviously not when I was in the car). I would have thought CTS would have LED type rear brake lights like DTS. A little disappointing.
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    In the Syracuse, Utica, Rochester area
    no GM employee deal ! But I have seen
    Leadfoots post of them dealing a little
    off sticker !
    Sorry I should of posted this before my
    last post....But I am so excited...My
    woman likes the 2 tone gray interior..
    but she still don't know its RWD car yet !
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    Are you any where near Gan. or Kingston
    Ont? They just opened a new casino there.
    I own a motel just over the bridge in Alex.
    Bay NY.........geo
  • wallywallawallywalla Posts: 26
    GREAT PICS of both CTSs. Love them!!!!!!!
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Live in Oakville (west of Toronto), but I am originally from the Kingston area so I know it well. In fact I will be n the area this weekend. Which hotel do you own? I heard about the casino, my brother is a big gambler so he is happy.
  • wallywallawallywalla Posts: 26
    Do only manual transmission CTS cars get a pin stripe on them? I've never noticed it on an automatic car and I've seen several. A friend got a Garnet red and wondered why it wasn't on her car that came from the same dealer.Does anyone else have a pin stripe?
  • jbg12jbg12 Posts: 7
    I just tested a CTS with the luxury package, sunroof, chrome wheels, other assorted options. Loved the steering, suspension, and especially the brakes. Was surprised at the amount of engine noise, but wasn't unhappy about it. The interior was generally disappointing - not up to the apparent quality of the driving experience in my opinion. I'm actually interested in the base model - no options, which I have never seen in a dealer lot. The base car is a lot of product for the money - assuming I can get much of a deal, which doesn't seem likely. And of course, being a 2003 model, it does not qualify for the rest of GM's 0% financing. I just wish the dealer were not so smug - that "take it or leave it" attitude. It is somewhat common for new introductions, but still grates me.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    They are offering 3.9% on CTS for 48 months. Not sure if it's right as it was a dealer ad.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    So does the Aztek.

    I'm still not convinced that the styling is a hit and can sustain the sales volumes over time. If they continue to sell at the current rate in the first 6 months of 2003 then I will be convinced. Right now I think there is a small group of folks who are either looking for something radically different or are diehard Caddy fans who are purchasing and after they've made their purchases the sales will begin to slide.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    If ugly cars like the VW Beetle, Audi TT, and Ford Focus can sustain decent sales then the CTS should have no problem. And just wait until that baby gets the 250 hp engine and 6 speed manual next year!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    New engines won't fix the exterior or interior styling.

    I don't know a single person who thinks the CTS looks good. Family, friends, coworkers. I know there are some who like it but I think they are in a very small minority. For the beetle, tt and focus there are lots of people who like them.

    In a survey I think you would be lucky to find 20% of respondents who like the CTS styling while the others you mentioned would be > 50%.

    Like I said - if the sales numbers next year back it up, then I'll be convinced.
  • baron87baron87 Posts: 93
    Too bad that CTS will also get a new interior next summer, along with the new engines...I think new interior design fixes the interior styling...don't you?
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Mostly everyone I have talked to likes the CTS styling. I know I do. Problem with styling like everyone else is the car gets lost in the crowd. Cadillac has never been about that and CTS is a perfect for for the new line-up IMO.
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    Who is 68 thinks the CTS is sharp !

    Dindak ; I will be in the Bay on Friday !
    Send me your e-mail
    I can't post the name here cuz the hosts
    will blow a gasket ! But i can say its
    the first little V shaped place exit
    50 south off rt 81. My folks have been
    going to the casino in Ottawa Quite often
    or Rideau race track ! Even come on Sunday
    lots of places offer Can. money at par !
    My dad sez Can. dollar is up a few cents
    against US dollar now !..
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    Yes, new interior will help but it's the exterior that people see first. If someone doesn't like the exterior styling they won't look at the interior.

    I didn't say the exterior was bad, just that it wouldn't appeal to a large enough customer base to sustain long term sales. I realize some people love it and that's fine. If Pontiac can sell over 12k azteks then the CTS can easily sell the first 30K units. After that it's questionable.
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