You could just add a portable instead. I have a Garmin Nuvi 265wt and I'm happy with it. 4.3" widescreen, text-to-speech, bluetooth, free lifetime traffic. I paid $190.
Garmin has a new 1490T for $350 at Costco, and you get a big (for a portable) 5" screen. Sweet.
I'm not sure what article you're referring to. If you're wondering how to override the Navi lockout, there are all kinds of videos on YouTube and myride.com. They explain how you go to the Menu screen; go to the Volume screen; press the upper left hand corner, the lower left hand corner and repeat until you get to the hidden screen. Then you press and hold the "override" button and then you can operate your navi system while driving- or your passenger can. I think this only applies to the older models. I have a 2005 Sienna XLE and this works. now I wish we could do the same thing for the DVD player...
Same thing just happened to me. The nav system, radio, dvd, rear cam in my 06 toyota sienna xle just stopped working and the dealer tells me that it'll be approx. $3,000 to repair and $5,000 to replace. any ideas, suggestions? Pls. help.
I am assuming there is an update disk of maps for this 2004 system. Can anyone give me the part number and pricing for it? Would greatly appreciate ... I use my Garmin but my wife likes the OEM unit and wants it showing newer maps.
My Sienna XLEmon limited Nav. sys went out last year, 3 mon out of warrenty. Major $$$$ to fix. Just had my drvier seat belt fixed and a complete tune up, now the back up camera doesn't work, the "mode" and "" buttons on the steering wheel don't work. The dealer guy said he's not heard of any problems like this. Any Ideas? I was debating on replacing it with a another sys. Any suggetions.
You should be alright with the backup camera problem. Our 2004 Sienna's backup camera went out a couple years ago and we got a special price (like $100) under our extended warrantee, which didn't cover external electronics, go figure. Anyway, about 8 months later there was a service bulletin which said that the camera would be covered in any case if it failed (too late for us). So I would check at least that at the dealership. By any chance was the seat belt replaced because it had trouble retracting? The rider side has this issue on our Sienna and it also was not covered by the extended warantee, so I'm making the kids deal with it ongoing. The solution is to pull up or down on the height adjuster at the point where it retracts into the side of the car as you pull mightily on the strap. You might consider brow beating the Toyota service into fixing problems as a good faith effort to prevent you from dumping Toyota for something else, like a Honda Odyssey.
After years of making hybrid discs with the older 5.1 loading.kwi file and dealing with its inherrent antiquites I purchased a LockPick 2WF from Coastaltech. It allows "the Passenger" to use the navigation while moving and allows the "front Passenger" to watch the movie playing on the rear entertaiment screen.
My newest disc GEN 5 V9.1 continues to improve upon the voice commands for both voice dialing and points of interest. The bluetooth compatability is much improved over version 7.1 & 8.1.
I made a hybrid disk using the 5.1 loading.kwi file to allow the GPS to be used by the passenger while my Toyota Sienna is moving. However, I could never get the DVD to work on the front screen while moving. With your new hybrid disk, when the passenger watches the movie playing on the rear entertainment screen, does it affect the GPS? I thought there was a signal from a unit below the passenger seat that indicated car movement to the DVD/GS unit and it had to be tricked into thinking the car was moving to allow the DVD to play on the front screen. However, when one did that, the GPS lost track of where it was. Does your hybrid disk over come that set back? If it does, how does one make the disk your are talking about, or are you selling it. If you are, what are you asking? I wouldn't mind either making one or buying a hybrid disk. Thanks!
The only way I was able to view the movie on the front screen was with a Lockpick 2WF. No hybrid would allow it. I believe Coastaltech interrupts the signal you speak of. The newer v9.1 firmware gave me features I wasn't willing to give up with 5.1 loading.kwi. I apologize if I mislead or wasn't clear about the firmware
hello all i would like to buy a 2011 XLE with the navigation package. I live in SF bay Area. Anyone has bought the same car? What would be a good deal? About $3300 below MSRP would be a good deal?
also, does anyone know if the GPS would work in Canada? How do you update this in the future? how much do you have to pay for potential upgrades? Is the nav pack worth the $2000 or so they ask for?
I have this same issue as well. I was able to eject the map DVD when it was attempting an initialization sequence. I've seen some posts regarding this issue on a few different sites, but never any resolution. Anyone find one?
Let me know what you find... I'm looking for the same thing also in the bay area - happy to share my experiences. From what I can see $2K off seems a typical deal; $3K off seems a great deal.
I was quote over internet at $34880 XLE with navi package and roof rack cross bar. GPS should work in Canada. At least mine does (2006 Lexus GS300). Map upgrade cost is $199 (again, for 2006 Lexus GS300).
I purchased and installed a gen4 ver. 09.1 U24 disc and want to be able to use nav functions while in motion.
Any idea why the disk modification hack did not work for me? I can now access the overide menu however the search by address is inoperative although not grayed out along with several other things. It appears the problem is tied to location (area?) to search. I used my original gen4 ver. 5.1 U20 disk.
If you do NOT have a radar detector on or near the center of the dash, and the current map version installed is V5.1 (86271-53020), a new DVD map disc is necessary to correct this condition. I suggest obtaining the newest version V9.1 (86271-GEN05-09) from a Toyota dealership at $199.
If you don't want the newest data you can buy a used version on ebay. First, the 10 digit PN must be 86271-5302X. The last digit must be a 1 or higher. Second, if you buy another disc with a different suffix (-5302x) it will cause issues!
When you get your new disc just eject the old one and insert the new disc. It will automatically boot up the new software.
How to upgrade the Navi in this vehicle. I bought it last month and It is 3 yrs old and is not showing many new addresses. So, want to upgrade. How much does it cost? Can I do it myself? If so, how and where can I get the DVD for the upgrade? It has only 28K miles - and so still under warranty. Does it covered by warranty? Do I need to take it to Toyota dealer? Thanks in Advance.
It's fairly easy, if not expensive. Just go to your Toyota dealer and tell them which model and year you have and they can look it up. Most probably they will have to order it, for about $200. It won't be under warrantee. I have a 2004 Sienna and the disk drive is under the passenger side front seat and the access door faces toward the back of the unit. It's easier with a flashlight in hand to see everything. There is (on mine, anyway) a switch that you slide to the side to expose the DVD eject button. Push the button and swap the disks and in a few seconds you should be semi- up-to-date (it will still be behind to some degree).
I just purchased a used 2004 Toyota Sienna with a Navigation that states that it is 2.1. I have never updated any type of navigation system before. My question is am I able to just upgrade with the latest software or disks or whatever is used? I would also like to know where I would be able to find what I needed? I understand that I could contact a dealer but I am assuming that would cost a lot. :confuse:
The upgrade disk is $200, regardless of previous version, from the Toyota dealer. You could take a chance and try to find one on eBay, but more than likely, you'll be buying a cheap, illegal copy that may or may not work. For the same 200 dollars you could just buy a Garmin unit and then a power adapter and a weighted base or sucker mount to hold it. In the end the disk upgrade from the dealer is your best option and as I've mentioned earlier, it's a simple disk swap to upgrade.
There are also instructions on this forum on how to override the safety protocols to use features of the navigation system that are normally not accessible while driving.
I currently use a Garmin GPS in my 2004 Sienna, no Toyota Nav system. I am planning on buying a 2011 LTD FWD and know I will have to take a Toyota Nav system. My questions about the nav system are:
1) Can you put in a destination and a "via" point, so you can control how the nav system will direct you.
2) If you hit a snag on the road, can you have the system "detour" and give you an alternate route.
Love my Garmin. Hope the nav system will have similar functions.
Also, is there a place on line where I can see a detailed manual for the nav system..
Compared to the least capable Garmin, the Sienna _planning_ capabilities are abysmal. The Sienna display is very nice.
a. max __ 5 ___ user controlled via points( e.g. mapsource, Google Maps, etc) b. no ability to import routes from external planning systems c. Very outdated and expensive map updates (250.00 for my last update and it was missin gmajor roads in Norther Virginia that were nearly 24 months olds) d. Inserting via point does not simply extend route(1 of 3 you have chosen) - it forces a recalc and you may lose the preferred route that was acceptable to get 3 routes that are not. e. no ability to save routes!!! f. no ability to get on-line map updates g. In most cases - Touching places of interest on the map display does _not_ provide the name of the feature!! h. Moving around the display in small increments is very difficult. i. Icon sizes obscure important display information
I could go on and on.
Just buy another GPS and save $1000s
I live mny Sienna but do not use the GPS system for detailed route planning. I highly recommend you buy the Sienna without the GPS and use a different one for in car routing and navigation.
I believe you can get the 2011 Sienna without GPS but still get the DVD and dashboard lcd display for other system controls.
I looked at 2011 Sienna
a. make sure you closely examine the 2nd row seat operations if you are buying that option. Try and extend the seats in a way that is useful for adults with the driver's seat in a comfortable position and with cargo in the rear.
b. Move the 2nd row seats full back and experiment using the console cup holders while in mothion.
c. If you want the 2nd sunroof, make sure to operate one and observe its positioning and resulting configuration before you make the leap.
A little off topic, but my 2005 SIenna is not picking up the GPS signal all of a sudden (going haywire, no "GPS" written in upper left). We have a Toyota extended warranty, but the dealer says that if they examine the car and find nothing wrong, I am out $100. Is there anything simple I could me missing here? I'm not sure where the satellite receiver is located, is there anything I could adjust myself? Thanks.
Most likely the GPS antenna has become disconnected. This explains why no GPS logo appears at the top left of the screen, and why the incorrect position appears on the map.
Has anyone removed the navigation unit in the dash? If yes, the GPS antenna has been disconnected. The GPS antenna has a square grey connector that is attached to a black wire leading to the actual GPS antenna. It simple needs to be plugged back into the back of the navigation unit. After reconnecting the GPS antenna leave outside with a clear view of the sky and the key in the accessory mode. The engine does not need to be running. Once the GPS logo reappears you are all set. The positioning will display the current location of the vehicle.
should i get a portable gps to replace the one in my van? If so, which one? Mine is outdated and I hate the fact that i can't put in a new address unless the car is "stopped." I can't always pull over to the side of the road. Also, there are too many new streets and address changes for my car gps. Is it worth it to buy something separate if I need something really reliable? I am a visiting nurse and I need something that works well! thanks!
Good question - gagrice did just that. He has navi on his Seqouia and got a Garmin rather than pay for map updates.
The updates cost $200 plus, while Costco has a 5" Garmin for $179.99. So the portable is actually cheaper, but the screen is 5" instead of 7" or whatever you have now. Lifetime map updates retails for $89.99 now, but you can get that bundled and pay even less.
Hmm, I looked on-line and didn't find the same deal, so you may have to go to the store. They did have a Tom Tom for $169 with free lifetime map updates. Nowadays you can buy them bundled.
Given you're not happy with the OE Navi, I would not pay to upgrade something you don't like.
Thanks, Ateixeira, I don't even know if a newer version OE Navi is available. There appears to be many options. Of course, I like the bigger screen. I will check into the Garmin among others. I have a 2005 Toyota Sienna XLE Limited
I own a 2002 Landcruiser. Took car for collision repair. Got car back and car would stall during idle; navigation system screen is blank except for cursor: the is no map. This thread has been heavily discussed here. Questions please: a) what is best course of action? b) side question: does the navigation system require the system disk inserted in the ECU to operate?
own a 2002 Landcruiser. Took car for collision repair. Got car back and car would stall during idle; navigation system screen is blank except for cursor: the is no map. This thread has been heavily discussed here. Questions please: a) what is best course of action? b) side question: does the navigation system require the system disk inserted in the ECU to operate?
I keep hearing good things about Garmin but there are too many to choose from. I may purchase one at Costco. I think that the nav. in the car would not give me everything I need. accuracy, detailed directions, very current directions and clear voice and screen. I think the voice activated one may be nice. what else is there to look for? Thanks, WC4
Costco is a good place to start because you can play with demo units.
Interface is important, so see if you like Tom Tom's or Garmin's better.
detailed directions, very current directions and clear voice and screen
Detailed directions: Garmin > OEM, because it has text-to-speech and most OEMs don't or it's very limited.
Very current directions: Garmin > OEM, because they have quarterly updates, while OEMs often take a year, some times 2 years, between updates.
Clear voice: OEM > Garmin, no doubt, plus they lower the radio volume since it's integrated.
Screen: OEM > Garmin, due to size. However, consider how distant the screen is. A 5" portable up close with a vent mount may be more clear than a 7" screen way up on the dash.
Same happened in my case. Driving home from the dealership after a $300 repair and the whole system crashes - DVD/NAV/Radio/Rear Camera. Found a auto car audio specialist in after market/out of warranty fixes and they analyzed it for $60 and found the Mother Board in the NAV system failed - $700 to fix. I figure it's better than $3000 so I'm giving it a try. I'll comment back after they fix it.
Replaced nav with rebuilt from online source (buyautoparts.com). Cost was about $1300 plus $800 core that get credited-back when you return the original (one year warranty, they pay for shipping). My experience with this vendor was very civilized, other probably are too. You can do the exchange yourself easily in about 15 minutes (pop-out fake wood trim on either side of nav using flat-head screw-driver, 4 Philips-head screws on side of nav to remove black cover thingy, 4x10mm bolts in back to remove unit (I didn't drop any, but imagine this could be problematic if you do) -- lots of connectors in back, but each is different from the next and color-coded to boot. Needs DVD from Toyota (about $200) to boot system, but this worked first time and I haven't encountered any problem. Good luck.
"I went to loading button instead and the JP-TSW is highlighted, I switch to US-RSW and now I have an error of unable to access program with some Chinese characters on it. How do I get back to that override screen."
I know this is an old post...but did you find a fix for this problem? I have the same problem.
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You could just add a portable instead. I have a Garmin Nuvi 265wt and I'm happy with it. 4.3" widescreen, text-to-speech, bluetooth, free lifetime traffic. I paid $190.
Garmin has a new 1490T for $350 at Costco, and you get a big (for a portable) 5" screen. Sweet.
My newest disc GEN 5 V9.1 continues to improve upon the voice commands for both voice dialing and points of interest. The bluetooth compatability is much improved over version 7.1 & 8.1.
i would like to buy a 2011 XLE with the navigation package. I live in SF bay Area. Anyone has bought the same car? What would be a good deal? About $3300 below MSRP would be a good deal?
also, does anyone know if the GPS would work in Canada? How do you update this in the future? how much do you have to pay for potential upgrades? Is the nav pack worth the $2000 or so they ask for?
Thanks so much for your help.
peter
OEM Navi offer a big screen and a backup cam, for a price.
Some have complained that updates are infrequent, so the maps are out of date. And you can get a backup cam without getting Navi now.
I like portables, but there are pros and cons to both.
GPS should work in Canada. At least mine does (2006 Lexus GS300). Map upgrade cost is $199 (again, for 2006 Lexus GS300).
Any idea why the disk modification hack did not work for me? I can now access the overide menu however the search by address is inoperative although not grayed out along with several other things. It appears the problem is tied to location (area?) to search. I used my original gen4 ver. 5.1 U20 disk.
If you don't want the newest data you can buy a used version on ebay. First, the 10 digit PN must be 86271-5302X. The last digit must be a 1 or higher. Second, if you buy another disc with a different suffix (-5302x) it will cause issues!
When you get your new disc just eject the old one and insert the new disc. It will automatically boot up the new software.
Good luck!
I have a 2004 Sienna and the disk drive is under the passenger side front seat and the access door faces toward the back of the unit. It's easier with a flashlight in hand to see everything. There is (on mine, anyway) a switch that you slide to the side to expose the DVD eject button. Push the button and swap the disks and in a few seconds you should be semi- up-to-date (it will still be behind to some degree).
There are also instructions on this forum on how to override the safety protocols to use features of the navigation system that are normally not accessible while driving.
1) Can you put in a destination and a "via" point, so you can control how the nav system will direct you.
2) If you hit a snag on the road, can you have the system "detour" and give you an alternate route.
Love my Garmin. Hope the nav system will have similar functions.
Also, is there a place on line where I can see a detailed manual for the nav system..
Thanks for the help.
Compared to the least capable Garmin, the Sienna _planning_ capabilities are abysmal. The Sienna display is very nice.
a. max __ 5 ___ user controlled via points( e.g. mapsource, Google Maps, etc)
b. no ability to import routes from external planning systems
c. Very outdated and expensive map updates (250.00 for my last update and it was missin gmajor roads in Norther Virginia that were nearly 24 months olds)
d. Inserting via point does not simply extend route(1 of 3 you have chosen) - it forces a recalc and you may lose the preferred route that was acceptable to get 3 routes that are not.
e. no ability to save routes!!!
f. no ability to get on-line map updates
g. In most cases - Touching places of interest on the map display does _not_ provide the name of the feature!!
h. Moving around the display in small increments is very difficult.
i. Icon sizes obscure important display information
I could go on and on.
Just buy another GPS and save $1000s
I live mny Sienna but do not use the GPS system for detailed route planning.
I highly recommend you buy the Sienna without the GPS and use a different one for in car routing and navigation.
I believe you can get the 2011 Sienna without GPS but still get the DVD and dashboard lcd display for other system controls.
I looked at 2011 Sienna
a. make sure you closely examine the 2nd row seat operations if you are buying that option. Try and extend the seats in a way that is useful for adults with the driver's seat in a comfortable position and with cargo in the rear.
b. Move the 2nd row seats full back and experiment using the console cup holders while in mothion.
c. If you want the 2nd sunroof, make sure to operate one and observe its positioning and resulting configuration before you make the leap.
Good Luck.
that being said....dealer here in Cincy is more willing to reduce price of what is in his lot vs. getting van I'm asking for....nothing is easy!
Most likely the GPS antenna has become disconnected. This explains why no GPS logo appears at the top left of the screen, and why the incorrect position appears on the map.
Has anyone removed the navigation unit in the dash? If yes, the GPS antenna has been disconnected. The GPS antenna has a square grey connector that is attached to a black wire leading to the actual GPS antenna. It simple needs to be plugged back into the back of the navigation unit. After reconnecting the GPS antenna leave outside with a clear view of the sky and the key in the accessory mode. The engine does not need to be running. Once the GPS logo reappears you are all set. The positioning will display the current location of the vehicle.
The updates cost $200 plus, while Costco has a 5" Garmin for $179.99. So the portable is actually cheaper, but the screen is 5" instead of 7" or whatever you have now. Lifetime map updates retails for $89.99 now, but you can get that bundled and pay even less.
Hmm, I looked on-line and didn't find the same deal, so you may have to go to the store. They did have a Tom Tom for $169 with free lifetime map updates. Nowadays you can buy them bundled.
Given you're not happy with the OE Navi, I would not pay to upgrade something you don't like.
Thanks again
I looked because I got an e-mail offer...
The 1490T is $230 from Factoryoutletstore.com. If you want to bundle it with lifetime map updates, it's $320.
Garmin does quarterly updates, they're on 2011.10 right now IIRC.
Tom Tom prices are cheaper, but try them out. I prefer Garmin, while others like Tom Tom. Both tend to rate highly in reviews.
Thanks, WC4
Interface is important, so see if you like Tom Tom's or Garmin's better.
detailed directions, very current directions and clear voice and screen
Detailed directions: Garmin > OEM, because it has text-to-speech and most OEMs don't or it's very limited.
Very current directions: Garmin > OEM, because they have quarterly updates, while OEMs often take a year, some times 2 years, between updates.
Clear voice: OEM > Garmin, no doubt, plus they lower the radio volume since it's integrated.
Screen: OEM > Garmin, due to size. However, consider how distant the screen is. A 5" portable up close with a vent mount may be more clear than a 7" screen way up on the dash.
That's how I see it.
I know this is an old post...but did you find a fix for this problem? I have the same problem.
Question for you - was it easier to install in your Subaru, or in the van? Just curious. We have a Sienna and a Forester.