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all grounds are good, cables are good, batterys good, fuses are good.
the pump primes when you turn the key to ON for a couple seconds then turns off. After the car starts the oil pressure keeps a relay turned on to run the fuel pump. I don't know if there's another method that runs the pump while the motor cranks after the priming.
There may be a line coming up near the battery sticking out of a bundle of wires with a green connector on the end. I believe if you applied battery positive power to that it's supposed to run the fuel pump as a check on the pump for testing. You might see if you have that and if it runs the pump. You could connect it an try starting the car with it running that way to see if the pump is turning off after the initial prime.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
that Run on 12v DC, and rigged them to a termostatic switch set to 104(o) F. And wired so only when Engine in run position. So far, knocking on the Faux wood-grain on the Instrument panel, so good. A bit extreme, but I do know that certain Electronics are very sensitive to heat. Transistors and capacitors are even more so. Their efficiency drops of quite a bit once thetemperature reaches 100(o) F. There was originally white grease between the mounting plate and the bottom of the Coil packs. This grease helps in heat transfer and is used between computer chips and cooling fins in most computers since the P-II 233 MHz. It works. I noticed it had turned brown, so replaced that as well. Mechanics can never get it to duplicate, and get no error codes when it happens...
Check the positive cable if there are two connectors one on top of the other between the connectors. Check down into the plastic for deterioration of the copper cable. Look at the other ends of the cables for good connections-retighten bolts if necessary.
Last I suggest checking for spark by removing one wire and laying it on a metal ground while someone cranks.
Then check for the injectors working by feeling them or putting a 194 running light bulb wires into the injector connector pins and you'll see the light flash.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
You might check the IAC also (Idle air control). It maybe gooped up or sticking. You might have them take off and clean the throttle body which could take care of both MAF and IAC.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Everyone keeps telling us it's the alternator or battery, however both have been tested and were fine. Probably will bring to the mechanic soon, but would appreciate any help you could offer. We really want to keep this car as long as we can, but with two children we need something reliable. As it is, I'm afraid to drive it in case I get stranded (just happened again Thursday night).
was running perfect. stopped car at work then a no starts with no spark.
replaced crank and can sensor, ign module. now it has spark but starts runs then dies.
fuel pressure at 40 lbs.
what else could it be?
Good luck
How many miles? What service has been done to the car in the past during the time you've had it?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
It could be a poor contact for the spark control module at the wire for the whole set of coils underneath them. I forget the colormon the wire. It also could be a crankshaft position sensor. They tend to be more erratic and not start right away. You can try throwing cold water on the crankshaft position sensor. That sometimes makes them work right and start right back up. If that works, then you know what to try next! It might be camshaft sensor. But I believe they show a code.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
:mad:
In that case I'd take off the fuel filter. It's in front of the right rear wheel and easy to remove. I'd dump out what's in it into a glass jar to look for water. \
I recall hearing about a certain brand of discount station around Nashville that had something wrong with their gas delivery that killed a car shortly after filling up there. This was 2-3 weeks ago while we were there visiting friends.
I've heard of stations getting diesel into their gasoline tank and causing a lot of expense to repair the cars it got pumped into before the station shut her down (cars were stalling before they could drive away from the station lot).
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Thanks
Please HELP!
THANKS
John
New spark plug wires--standard wires?
New spark plugs at 80K would be standard for me; they're supposed to go 100,000.
Check to see if there's an update to the PROM for the computer. They did an update for my '93 to keep the lockup torque converter from locking up at very low speed (47-50) and that doesn't transmit the normal engine roughness to the chassis as it did before.
Clean the passages in the EGR (but that should throw a code)...
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
thanks
Eric
i have a 2002 bonneville 3800 v6. cant get the car to do anything. battery is fully charged and windows and radio and all that stuff works. when i put the key in to start the car the gauges sweep and when i turn it to start it the gauges stop and it kills all power. the security light is flashing. any help????
Check the battery ground at the floor pan under back seat. Loosen and retighten to be sure it's got a bright metal ground. Check fuses to be sure they are well-seated in fuse blocks under rear seat and under hood.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
--Good Luck-- AND which ever way you find it is... Let the shop know. They may be unaware of this and you could prevent problems for future customers!
Best of luck to others.
changed plugs and oil 8 months ago
The battery voltage cna be affected by the connections at the battery. If you have multiple connectors on top of each other at the positive, pull back the plastic and check for corrosion between them.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The FPR also can go bad. The fuel pressure regulator may fail and have fuel in the vacuum line. Pull it off and see if it has fuel in it when this happens. It on the front of the motor next to the UIM.
But mostly I would want your fuel pump thoroughly checked for correct pressures, fuel flow volume, and the electrical current draw--bad pumps tend to draw more current.
I'm betting on low fuel pressure from the pump causing poor injector spray and no start but flooding.
BTW, did you know that if you hold the accelerator to the floor while cranking, it turns OFF the fuel injectors and you can clear a flooded engine? It's just like holding the throttle open in the days of carburetors and that moved a link that turned off the choke plate so the engine could be cleared of excess fuel.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
My second thought would be the Mass Air Flow sensor. They can be cleaned with a sensor cleaner from the parts store. Do not touch the two tiny wires but you might use an artist brush. If you look at them toward a light you might see dirt caught on them. If you have someone who can substitute a MAF from a working car that would be good--many of the cars with3800s use the same part number. If you buy a replacement, stick with a known good brand.
The fuel pump could also be the problem. When they get hot, the pressure they supply is a little low and that causes problems because the injectors don't work right. But replacing that is a serious repair by dropping the fuel tank. The pressure can be measured by driving with a fuel pressure gauge connected and seeing if it acts up when the car gives problems. Driving a car when low on fuel often helps wear the pumps down because they run hot. If that's happened to this car often running below a quarter tank, it might be a problem.
You didn't mention the number of miles on the Bonneville.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Did the data box they connected catch the failure?
Glad you found the problem.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
- mass air flow replaced - aftermarket not from GM
- crank sensor
- ignition module
- IAC valve
- fuel filter
even with these parts installed the problem is still not fixed and even a pontiac dealer looked at it and could not fix my problem. if anyone knows how to correct this problem please help me out
Actually another possibility is the EGR. Disconnect it when it's doing it and see if it starts quicker and drives without stalling. I've read about them sticking open.
Try a MAF from another 3800 with the same part number that is GM.
You might try pulling spark plug wire in advance so it's easily done. Then when it stalls and typically won't start right away. pull the wire, stick in a screwdriver or old spark plug, lay it on engine ground and crank to check for spark.
Also take off an injector lead. Stick in a 197 running light bulb with the two wire leads bent straight to stick in. When the injector's firing okay that bulb should blink during cranking.
A distant possibility would be a vacuum leak on a tube or the UIM.
Missed another one, FPR. Pull the vacuum hose and look for gasoline liquid. Several of those had leaked.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
about the problem. Previous owner replaced the crankshaft censor. Problem remains.
Driving down the freeway the car sometimes dies. Car dies in city traffic.
Sometimes it starts right up, other times it takes up to an hour or more.
He has spent an hour trying to start the car only to leave, come back in an
hour, and like magic it starts right up.
Twice it started up after pushing it a short distance (coincidence?).
Sometimes the car won't start, it turns over, just won't start. Yesterday, I
drove his car for 10 minutes, made a quick stop....wouldn't start. When it
finally started, it was fine the rest of the day. This morning it stalled on the
freeway going 65 miles an hour, which is norm for it's stalling pattern.
Both of the above happen whether the gas tank is 1/2 full or topped off.
GM says they have never heard of this problem.
The computer has no errors recorded.
Last August, we went from the Bay Area to Reno and back, NOT a single
problem.
My son cash supply is limited....Any ideas as to the problem? Starting with the cheapest please.
Thank-you so much for any replys.
I did read about someone else with a problem in the age Bonneville. But first be aware that 94 and 95 H-bodies have a higher than usual failure rate of computers with odd symptoms from that. It might be wise to check into replacing the computer itself with an aftermarket rebuild or replacement. I don't believe they are that expensive.
But I just read the other day about someone who bumped their cable to the computer while trying to move and jiggle things at sensors looking for just your kind of problem. I assume the computer is under the air intake box like my 98... Anyhow when he bumped the bundle the car stalled immediately. And it was repeatable. I believe he found one particular female connector that was loose and could move away from contacting the plug prong.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Only problem is I can't find the connector under the dash to bypass the security system. The intructions and other people I've talked to say it should be right in front of me when I take off the kick pannel under the steering colum.
I don't want to mess around to much looking for it and accidently pull a wire out by mistake. Does anyone have any thoughs on where to look?
Thanks