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bd21 gave you the correct answer. Why would you consider buying at an auction?
Those cars are usually there for a REASON. You better know what you are doing.
The only thing that they did was try to sneak in VIN etching because "they do it to all their cars." They made it sound like it was complimentary without actually explicitly saying so... I was looking over the contract and questioning why the amount financed was suddenly higher when it came out that it cost $199. I started complaining and they took off the charge... end result being that I got the actual etching for free but I am no longer registered in the service that pays me money if my car actually does get stolen. Really I was just mad over the principle of adding in the fee without ever mentioning what it cost. If it's something that the dealership automatically does to all their cars, then it should be quoted as part of the fees that go into the drive out price.
Warner
Manual -- Precise shifting and perfect shift times done by the skilled driver. Requires training and paying attention to what the engine and the car are doing. Requires the use of both left and right feet at perfectly synchronized timing. After a while the skills become autonomous, and do not require consious efforts. Honda makes some of the best manual transmissions. Honda engines are designed to work with manual transmissions, for the best pick up and fuel economy.
Auto -- sloppy shifts, no matter what people say, auto's are slow to shift and never know what your intentions are. Auto's are post-reactive, while manuals are pro-active, since the driver knows what he/she wants the car to do. Auto tranny's are for people who find excuses not to be involved, or for people who treat cars as appliances to get from point A to point B with the least amount of mental input.
Unfortunately 90-95% of the vehicles sold in the US are auto, we are also the most overweighed country in the world. Only 10-15% of vehicles sold in EU are auto, and as far as I can tell, Europeans are pretty slim. Maybe there is a link? (chances are, the mods will delete the post)
If you don't know how to drive stick, it is best that you learn how to drive it on a really old car, since clutch will have to be replaced.
If I had been the salesperson on your demo drive, that demo drive would have ended VERY quickly!
I don't understand this approach. Based on his description, I don't see what was wrong with his test drive. Revving an engine up to redline (which by definition is the point to which it can SAFELY be revved) should not be a cause for concern. If he is intending to drive the car like that after be buys one, he ought to be able to find out how it will behave when driven that way. I'm sure the Honda's have rev-limiters on them to protect the engine from over-revving. If he were driving recklessly, that would be a different story, but revving the engine shouldn't be an issue....
Warner
What about the break-in period? Redlining someone else's car (potentially, anyway) during the first 500 miles is not going to hurt it?
Auto, a/c, and side impact airbags - 13,700
Only tax and title added so total paid (including tax and tag....) 14,500.
Good buying experience, glad there was no doc fees, etch fees,.....
I got a 1986 Civic Wagon 1500 DX FWD Manual tranny with 126K miles for $1400 from a little used car dealer. Paid $400 more than blue book private party, $600 less than blue book retail (they were asking $2K but... ).
The car needs some love and a little work but it starts when you turn the key, shifts properly, turns properly, stops nicely too, and best of all the purchase included two years of repreive from a CA emissions test! Ah, a smog cert! All any CA driver really needs! :-) No vibrations in the engine. No strange smoke out the tail pipe. Little oil leak down below and a little stalling in idle when the engine is cold. But I lover her! Working on her this weekend and expect that her 1.5L 73hp engine will be a nice addition to the otherwise gas-slurping mini-suv lineup we have going (22/26 on the CR-V and only 19/24 on the Forester Turbo).
So, all you other Civic buyers, you have 20 years of purring engines in front of you - congrats!
We bought it with 108,000 miles for $500 from a guy who had let the timing belt break and thought the car was trashed. We put a new belt on it, a new windshield, some new tires, and some tint and hit the road.
Maybe I will look for a used 03.
http://www.carsdirect.com has the 2004 Si for my zip code for a no haggle price of $17,515 which includes destination. If you have no trade in, you may want to try that. I have always been able to negotiate better price myself than carsdirect.
Price including delivery charge for the LX was $14,399. The additional charges were registration and plates ($86) and a Doc prep fee ($198). Add on 5% tax and total out the door was $15403. She financed it through Honda Finance at 3.9% for 60 months. The doc prep fee was a little high, but not outrageous. I've heard of some dealers charging $500+ for doc prep. BTW, the price they gave us on the VP was $12,900.
We didn't go for any dealer installed options as the LX had enough toys to make my sister-in-law happy. The salesman and finance guy tried to give us the hard sell stating that the price was good "today only", but we wanted to take a look at the Corolla before we decided so we left. The Corolla interior felt and looked much cheaper compared to the Civic. But I did like the look of the Scion tC I saw at the Toyota dealer, nice car! Too sporty and a little over budget for my sis though.
When we called back the next day they honored the price after a little bit of song and dance about "well I have to check if that price is still good". The salesman and the finance guy kept pointing out that Boch was #2 in the country last month and they were trying to move as much inventory as possible so they could hit #1. I saw their sales figures tacked to the wall of one of the cubes and they missed #1 by about 20 cars.
I had called around to two other dealers that morning and they said they couldn't match that price. However, Herb Chambers Honda in Boston on Comm. Ave. called back a second time while we were at Boch and had just picked out the exact color and car she wanted. I told the manager that called that we were literally heading into the building to start the paperwork and then he asked "if an offer of $14,000 flat would interest us" (I love the ambiguity of that question.) After two days of car dealerships we were weary of shopping so we told him he should have offered us that price the first time, but it was too late now.
I ended up with the Civic EX auto with side air bags (MSRP $18,800) for less than invoice ($17,000). Including all fees, registration, etc. the total came to $17,895. The money factor was extremely low, in my opinion (.00079) coming out to 1.9% and the residual was right at 53%. My monthly payment (including 3% sales tax) came out to $245.
I am thrilled with my new car! Thank you for everyone on these boards who helped (whether or not you knew you were) in this process. This has been the easiest, most pain-free car buying experience I've ever had!
Happy hunting!
Is the Clearance Sale Honda is now advertising, the 'sale' of the year.. or is there going to be a better sale later on in the year when the Honda 2005's come out?
I am looking (in Texas) for a Honda VP with AC, Auto, 4Door; the best price I've found is $13,164 excluding TTL. Does anybody think there are going to be lower prices --more than $200.00-- in the next couple of months?
Thanks
Historically, you could get a "last years" Honda for $800-$1500 under invoice in October-November. I bought my 2002 Si in January of 2003 for $5000 under MSRP. But, you are taking a risk of someone else buying the car while you are holding out.
The edmunds TMV is $15,000 for a CPO, 14,300 for a non CPO. With new EX's gong for the high $15's, im going to counter with a $13700 offer, which I think is still do-able for them. Any opinions?
The edmunds TMV is $15,000 for a CPO, 14,300 for a non CPO. With new EX's gong for the high $15's, im going to counter with a $13700 offer, which I think is still do-able for them. Any opinions?
I bought it from Cush Acura in Escondido, CA. Great experience going through the internet manager. Quick email responses, went through the paperwork in detail with me, offered a good price right away, knowledgable about the car, warranty, financing, etc, and did not try anything sketchy. Would highly recommened teh dealership and salespeople, if anyone is in So Cal.
Do you realy want to **maybe** save 200.00 and have to settle for your 4th color choice?
Chances are you won't end up saving anything anyway.
I see this happen every year and this year won't be an exception.
Base - 13,060
Dest - 490
Total - 13,550
Processing - 100
Tags - 108
Taxes - 408 (VA taxes)
Total out the door - 14,166
All negotiating done via email/phone. Purchased from Jim Coleman Honda in Clarksville, MD. Was a long way from my home in VA, but it was the best price I could find.
Financed with Honda at 1.9% over three years.
One question - Does anyone know if the Coupe has door protection (side moulding?) to prevent damage from another car door? The sedan seems to have this, but I don't see that the Coupe does (can it be a dealer add-on?).
Thanks,
Jim
http://www.HandA-Accessories.com/civext01.html
look for "body side trim." It cost $94 + shipping.
Congrats on the Civic.
2004 Honda Civic LX SRS for:
$14599.00 Internet Price (including mud guards and pin stripes)
$ 490.00 Destination
$ 398.00 Processing Fee
$ 19.00 Title
$ 3.00 GA MVWR)
$ 1084.09 Sales Tax at 7%
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$16593.09 Total Drive Out Price
Is this good? It is way bellow tmv, but since tmv is an average, I dont think they take into account the recent clearance.
Thanks for any feedback
It sounds like they are adding these fees to more than cover the additional costs of the Side Air Bags, splash guards and pin stripes.
Tell them to try again.
Honda civiv lx automatic with side airbags
Internet price: $14,499
Sales Tax 7%: $1,015
Dealer Fee: $499
Title Fee: $23
Total Drive Out: $16,036
What are people being able to get on this "clearance"?