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  • HolliwoodHolliwood Member Posts: 46
    Has anyone read Petersen's 4Wheel & Off Road latest 'Downsized 4X4 Pickup Comparison'? Read it!
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Yes, I did and the Tacoma 4WD extended cab V6 came out on top.
  • mr_rrrmr_rrr Member Posts: 13
    Just came home from work. Saw a Tocoma on the side of I495 with it's emergency flashers blinking (not kidding, talk about coincedence). I would have stopped but the drive hadn't stayed with the truck.
  • mr_rrrmr_rrr Member Posts: 13
    Did the Peterson article picture the Tocoma with it's emergency flashers on or off?
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    If you scroll back and see, a buddy and I a few weeks ago while up in the Cascades found a Tacoma with its hood up. I gave the guy a ride to the nearest phone.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Fact is the Tacoma is a 7 year old platform in design, but yet it still rises to the occasion of beating the competition hands down.
  • mr_rrrmr_rrr Member Posts: 13
    I don't give a rat's [non-permissible content removed] about Tocoma's history, or anyone's opinion of what it's doing to the competition.

    Even with the pinging, I still like my Ranger. It's comfortable, fun to drive, get's good gas milage, it's affordable, and I firmly beleive it's been designed and built to as high a level of quality as any other truck available. I bought it from a local dealer who's treated me well, and been responsive to my concerns. I don't know how expensive Toyota parts are but based on my experience with my other truck, an F150 which has 250,000 miles on it, Ford parts are readilly available at CAP at a resonable price. Just this past weekend I replaced the brake shoes, wheel cylinders, all the springs, brake lines, self adjusters, and drums on both rear wheels for less than $150. Half of those parts didn't need to be replaced but I figured as long as I was getting dirty, and having fun, I might as well do it all. Besides, I love the look of new metal.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Good thing you love your F150. I have one and can say nothing good about it. I also had a Mark III Conversion van that was a bit better than the truck. Lucky you have a good servicing dept at your dealer. The ones where I use to live could care less after the sale.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    I did look at the Petersons 4x4 review and the Tacoma DOES NOT dominate by such a large margin as you may wish to think over the Ranger. They had many good things to say about the Ranger. Also noticed the locker is an option along with the skidplate on the Tacoma. Also a skidplate is available on the Ranger. I still don't understand, If the Tacoma is so superior why does the Ranger outsell it almost 4 to 1? Don't tell me its the financing bit, Toyota also offers low financing. I would think sales figures would be the other way around if the Toyota Tacoma was so superior.
  • HolliwoodHolliwood Member Posts: 46
    People tend to navigate to the cheapest price! I have to admit that Ford sells them at a good deal. But, when you buy cheap, 9 times out 10 you get cheap inferior products! That's been my experience with most purchased items.

    Your truck is cheaply built and cheaply sold, deal with it! Stop whinning! In most comparisons tests Tacoma always wins, deal with that too!

    You have an axe to grind with everyone! Especially, Toyota owners!
  • netvillenetville Member Posts: 1
    So what? It's all about perception. If it's just about the price and not much else, it still wouldn't be enough to be a segment leader. Remember the Yugo, yes it's real cheap. In reality, it's far from it because it doesn't hold up. I don't think all that 'edge' the Tacoma has over the Ranger is worth all the extra money. Let's face it, you can build the best widget but if the marketplace doesn't need or willing to pay for the 'best', you won't sell very much.

    Even Consumer Reports, an avid critic of domestic makes, rates the Ranger and the Dakota ahead of the Tacoma. Blind brand loyalty doesn't get you very far nowadays. Next time, base your decision on the facts and logic, not on loyalty and emotions. You paid that much for a Tacoma? So who got taken?
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Skid plate is standard on any 4x4 Tacoma. The locking differential is optional on the Tacoma. No one said that the Tacoma dominated in everything. Anyway the Ranger is a good truck overall.
  • wantaf150wantaf150 Member Posts: 19
    Good topic comparing the Ranger and Toyota; they are both good trucks; a little more for the Toy, but its perceived quality and definite resale value are the reasons. I owned a 1991 Ford Ranger and put over 80K miles on it with only some paint problems (covered by Ford) coming up. There are lemon Rangers and Tacomas out there. However, I think either one (esp in 4x4 guise) are very good overall. I am seriously considering buying a Mazda B4000 4x4, fully loaded. This truck stickers for about 25K; a fully loaded Tacoma (similarly equipped) is 3-4K more. Was considering the Toy, but the lack of a 3rd door and its narrow size swayed me to the Mazda (Ford) B4000. I do favor the Toy's powerful 3.4 liter powerplant, though. Anyone have anything good or bad to say about the Mazda PU?
  • trenttrent Member Posts: 86
    How's the performance of the 4.0/ 5 speed auto compare to the 3.0/ 4 speed auto? Is the 4.0 a newer design than the 3.0? Is the price difference worth it if not used for towing?
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    WantaF150
    Both trucks are good trucks, but regarding the price of a 4x4 Tacoma can be had for about 23K pretty much loaded. Actually was going to seriously consider the B4000 until I saw the horsepower on that 4.0 engine. Try the Mazda pickup discussion group.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    wantaF150, don't pay 25K for a Mazda/Ranger 4.0. These can be had for about 19-21K prettty much loaded. Bargain, dicker, bring up the Toyota in the bargaining, The Tacoma V6 can be had for about 23 - 25K and I agree is the better engine, for now. The Ranger is coming out with a 200Hp V6 in 2000 sometime if you want to wait also. In now way should you pay 25K for a Mazda/Ranger loaded. It is pretty much a toss up between the Ranger/Mazda, depends on what styling you like best.
  • parkman50parkman50 Member Posts: 63
    First Post...Just bought a 1999 Ranger 4Dr XLT with every option (keyless,pwr everything, 80Watt CD/cass etc..) 2 wheel drive model. Love it. Absolutely no flaws & the four doors are a real treat!! By the way, I got the 3.0/auto combo. The 4.0 only has 10 more horsies and around 20ft/lbs more torque than the 3.0. I think I can cover that with a K&N kit. Plus I have the 373 gears (compared to 355 on 4.0's) so I'll see all you 4.0's at the next red light!!!!
    PS. Let me see you buy a 4Dr Tacoma (hee..hee) loaded out for $16,500 like I got my Ranger. (MSRP ~ $20K)
  • wantaf150wantaf150 Member Posts: 19
    hindsite/vince8
    Thanks for the info; obviously I realize that to pay 25K for any compact truck is ridiculous, which is what a "good deal" on a fully loaded Tacoma Limited would run. I like the Toyota quite a bit, but cannot justify spending 3-4K more than a similary equipped B4000/Ranger. I did some research and can get the Mazda B4000 for about 21K before TTL. I will say this, though: I have read much about the Tacoma's off-road prowess versus all other compacts.....I have also noted that many of the off-road/safari vehicles on Discovery Channel programs are Toys.....just a thought. Vince8: are you certain about that 200HP 4L V-6 being in the 2000;s?
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    WantaF150
    I have heard that the Mazda has a better warranty coverage than Ford.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Mazda does have a better warranty than Ford. Ford owns Mazda, explain that one??? 21K is about right but it should include taxes and license for a loaded B4000/Ranger 4.0. If you want the locker that Toyota offers you can get this aftermarket for about 1/2 the price Toyota charges, and you can order a skidplate with the Mazda/Ford also. I would also get the offroad pkg and tow pkg not much more in cost. I keep reading the 200HP V6 is coming in 2000 sometime. Have not seen a date yet.
    Parkman 50, congrads on your buy! Good choice. You got one heck of a price! I got mine loaded for about 19K. 98 Ranger 4.0 5spd 4x4 and love it! I added the K&N air kit, spray in bedliner, nurfbars, hood guard, better tires and a few other goodies so far. Thinking about a Superchip also. I won't take up too much space here, but if you scroll back you can see I use mine in the outdoors and it has NEVER failed me yet. See you in the hills!
  • nstewnstew Member Posts: 9
    Anybody heard anything about the 2000 Ranger? I'm tossed up between an F150 (which I don't need but like) and a Ranger (which is probably better for me all the way around). Just wondered if there were any differences or if anyone had heard anything yet.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    I have only heard the the Ranger will get the 200HP/245ft/lbs of torque V6 sometime in 2000. Have not heard of any definite dates though.
  • hmerglerhmergler Member Posts: 85
    I am finally starting to look at getting a new truck. I know the options I want and what trim I want, but I was wondering what people thought of the Ranger vs. B-Series. I am looking at getting a 2WD 4-door SuperCab (XLT or SE) with the power option, sliding rear window, and 4-wheel ABS. Does anyone have any input on the differences or likes and dislikes between the two models? I know that Mazda has a better warranty and a different pricing structure than Ford.

    Thanks for the input,
    The Merg
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Wow, what a loaded question. I believe after you do your research you will find that it boils down to your personal taste of what design you prefer. I purchased a 1998 Ranger XLT 4.0 kingcab stepside 5spd 4x4 virtually loaded for about 19K.
    One thing I can say. For not much more you can get the 3.0 rather than the 2.5. This will give you much better towing/hauling ability. Also increased acceleration. The mpg is not much different either if you get the 5spd.
  • sushisushi Member Posts: 99
    Yeah. I have a Mazda 4x2 4 Litre Extracab already. It's the same as the Ford except that you get a better warranty. I personally like the 4x4 look of the Mazda better, but I like the 4X2 look of the Ranger more. But I like the Mazda Steel wheel more. I dunno... Between Mazda and Ford, it's what sheetmetal you like better.
  • sushisushi Member Posts: 99
    In response to a F-150 and a Ranger, A 150 can do a lot of stuff, but I live in a forest area, and a 150 can't fit in the bush where I am from. It's just too big for me to go off-roading in. I guess it depends on what you want your truck to do for you!
  • hmerglerhmergler Member Posts: 85
    Vince,

    I will be getting the 3.0L engine. Actually, Ford makes you get it if you want the 4-door SuperCab. I guess it's just another way to get more money out of the consumer.

    - The Merg
  • parkman50parkman50 Member Posts: 63
    Hey Vince, thanks for the comments. The more I drive my 99 Ranger, the more I like it. And the power difference of the 3.0 V6 (in feel anyway) is tremendous over the 2.9L/5spd 90 model ranger I just sold.

    Sounds like you got a fun truck. Of the performance options such as the K&N filter you installed and the superchip consideration, which do you think is the most bang for the buck? I am considering total aspiration as my first choice. So I am considering K&N combined with a high flow exhaust system although I plan to maintain the quietness of the truck. I'm not looking for "loud" dual exhaust. My combined goal is more power and increased fuel mileage through the more air in/ less restricted air out system. I think I can increase power by about 20 ponies and increase fuel economy by about 2-3 mpg.

    Let me know what you think.
  • tim55tim55 Member Posts: 1
    I'm seriously considering buying a 99 ranger xlt for my 18 year old son. He is working co-op in high school to become a mason contractor and I figure the truck would come in handy. Any thoughts or comments on this vehicle?
  • sushisushi Member Posts: 99
    High-school co-op does not require a vehicle, but if you wnat to buy him a car that he will drive until he is married, go ahead and buy him a ranger! It's a nice truck.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    I would highly reccommend the K&N for aspiration. The kit runs about 150 - 200 depending on whether its a 3.0 or 4.0. The prices may vary even more depending on who you buy it from, shop around. It is a breaze to install yourself also. I know my 4.0 is now putting out about 170hp now with this addition. Throttle response is much more noticable. I am still researching the Superchip. I know it will cost me about $250. I just keep hearing, "yes it works", "no its not worth your money". So, I too am still trying to find more info on these Superchips.
    If you really have some bucks to spend the way to go is to install a performance exhaust system. There are quiet a few around that will even pass air quality standards and increase HP from 15 - 20 percent.
    Enjoy your Mazda/Rangers and see you in the great outdoors!
  • rfnrfn Member Posts: 1
    I have owned three Rangers, an '88 2.3 5spd, a '94 Xcab 4.0 5spd, and a '98 2.5 5spd.

    I drive 25,000 to 30,000 miles a year and between these three vehicles I have done one brake job, three tune-ups, replaced a set of shocks, one exhaust system, one serpentine belt, a windshield wiper motor, and a timing belt. Oh, and a bunch of tires and wiper blades (they are supposed to wear out).

    Most of these miles were highway, but these trucks worked for a living too. They pulled boats too big for them to pull, hauled roofing shingles, stone, dirt, pulled shrubs, etc.

    I would recommend a Ranger to anyone looking for a small truck, but get the 4.0 and an automatic if you are going to do any really serious towing.
  • mr_rrrmr_rrr Member Posts: 13
    Hi,

    If your thinking about buying a Ranger, or know anyone who is, please note that the updated owner's manual for the 3.0L engine specifies a minimum octane rating of 91. If you experience
    performance problems they recommend you go to a higher grade of premium.
  • nstewnstew Member Posts: 9
    I never even considered a Mazda...but how does it stack up dollar for dollar against Ranger?
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    The price between the Ranger/Mazda is actually pretty close. When shopping I found the Mazda actually a tad bit more expensive. Not by much though. You have to remember, these are virtually the same truck. It just depends on what style you like.
  • sushisushi Member Posts: 99
    Plus the Mazda has a better warranty
  • senselesssenseless Member Posts: 46
    I looked at a '99 Ranger XLT Supercab and found 1 major problem. Everytime you release the driver seatback in order to gain access to the rear area, the seat slides forward, going out of adjustment. Does this mean that I have to adjust my seat EVERYTIME I put my toolbox behind it? This would happen about 10 times a day.
  • sushisushi Member Posts: 99
    Most vehicles do this. I don't really mind that as many people drive my vehicle. 4 doors, baby
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Mazda has a 3 year/50,000 miles warranty, Ford has a 3 year/36,000 miles.
  • hmerglerhmergler Member Posts: 85
    That's odd that the driver's seat does that. In my wife's Honda Coupe, the passenger seat slide forward when you want to gain access to the back to make it easier, but the driver's seat stays locked in position. One trick I found though, is to put your foot up in the door. When you release the front seat, your foot will keep it from sliding forward. Another trick is to lean your shoulder against the top of the seat as soon as you release it.

    HTH,
    The Merg
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    On my Tacoma the seat slide forward and the backrest tilts forward an when you push it back it goes back to the original position.
  • senselesssenseless Member Posts: 46
    From what I can tell, the Ford Ranger driver seat does not go back to it's original position when you slide it back. This would have been a logical choice and I can't understand why Ford engineered such an unacceptable inconvenience into this truck. I'm baffled.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Buy the 4door and you won't have to deal with sliding seats.
  • sushisushi Member Posts: 99
    Hmmm. you're right... I looked at some other cars... and they don't move.. I guess Ford just did this becaus ethey didn't think about when they would put out the 4 doors? Oh .. and IN Canda, Mazda has a 5 year warranty
  • davejaydavejay Member Posts: 18
    I purchased a black 1998 Mazda 2500SE new, with 5speed, 4cyl, A/C and Alloys. For those with any interest, here's a summary of my experience:

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    I purchased this truck for transportation and hauling equipment; no towing. It's always started, always run, always carried the load and been a reliable truck for the 18,000+ miles I've owned it. My gas mileage has averaged 20-22, and I do 80% of my driving in the city or in rush-hour traffic.

    1: I have experienced the following annoyances during ownership (none of these have been mentioned to the dealer)

    - The rear tailgate squeaks a lot
    - The paint seems to scratch and chip very easily.

    2: I have experienced the following mechanical failures during ownership (successfully repaired by the dealer)

    - At 12K miles, the steering gear began emitting a "grinding, creaking" noise after extended driving. At 15K miles, it got bad enough to do something about it. After duplicating the problem for the dealership, they replaced the steering gear under warranty. Time down: one day.

    3: I have experienced the following mechanical failures during ownership (no repairs made, dealership cannot duplicate the problem)

    - Parked in cold/wet weather, the brakes "seize" occasionally; after a few attempts, the brakes release with an audible "thud". This has occurred on four occasions. Time down: none.
    - Driving for the first time in cold/wet weather, the brakes are occasionally "grabby" on the first few applications; usually I slide a tire, even at low speeds. This has occurred on six occasions. Time down: none.

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    Overall, I've been very happy with the truck and would consider selling it to a friend. It's comfortable, roomy, handles well, has a great stereo and looks really nice in basic black with silver alloys and raised white letter tires. I plan to keep it for four years (unless my fiance, who can't drive stick, persuades me to sell it.)

    At the same time, I will monitor this discussion to see if anyone else has similar brake problems, and will post the solution if my dealership ever finds one. I'm also annoyed by the paint's willingness to scratch and chip, which makes adding touch-up paint a common ritual.

    Overall: Good/Great - not perfect, but no regrets.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    My brakes also grab a bit when wet in my Ranger. After a few pumps and/or stops it goes away
  • geraldholtgeraldholt Member Posts: 4
    About 2 months ago I bought a '99 Ranger XLT Sport with the 3.0 V6 and 5-speed. The truck is still too new (I have a little over 5k miles) to tell if there are any problems, but I must say that I love my truck. Getting the V6 and A/C for FREE was the biggest deciding factor; the 0.25% RCO financing was just icing on the cake for me. My dealership (Payton Wright Ford in Grapevine, TX) experience has been nothing but positive.

    There is only one minor complaint that I have and that is the paint (especially on the front end) seems to chip easily. I don't seem to have this problem in the bed nor on the very bottom of the sides of the truck. I haven't had any problems with the brakes or anything mechanical, just the paint.

    Just thought that I'd share.
  • hmerglerhmergler Member Posts: 85
    What is RCO financing? Is that special dealer financing or financing from Ford? I would love to get a rate that low!

    - The Merg
  • sushisushi Member Posts: 99
    My Mazda B4000's paint does not chip easily, except for the paint on the bumper. I swear you can erase it off.
  • senselesssenseless Member Posts: 46
    I believe the air is part of the XLT package, but is noted as a credit on the bottom of the invoice. This confused me too, as it looked like a special rebate.

    The V6 is free, however and is a great deal. But wait, there is a $500 discount if you get the 4 cylinder! Hmmm...

    It's hard to figure out just what's a bonus and what you are paying for.
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