Rhino vs. other brands. The truth of the matter is as someone else has already stated: The job is only as good as the technicians are trained. We have 3 different franchise that do the Polyurethane spray in liners in the St. Louis, MO area. My intention was to go with Rhino. After checking the shop out and questioning technique I ruled them out because he wasn't going to follow the procedure that "Rhino" instructed him to do. He wanted big bucks, was going to be lazy about earning it. If your going to spend $400-$600 it's worth your while to meet with the people doing the work and ask alot of questions. I choose Ameraguard who has only 1 shop in the St. Charles MO area. I met with John and Drew Ferguson, Manager. They showed me the process and allowed me to stick around. They answered every question and gave me suggestions on aftermarket items and where to get them even though all they do is spraying. 60% of their work comes from dealerships. They've been in the business here for 6 months. Ameraguard started out in Canada but more offices are opening up around the country. These guys have put in a sprayed bed liner in one of their trucks for the purpose of trying to destroy the liner. They've had gravel, dirt pavers, boulders etc dropped in. They even told the guy with the fork lift to scrape the bed to see if he could tear it up. It's holding up beautifully. Their process is sprayed on hot. Instead of sanding your bed they use an adhesive promoter that is painted on before application of the polyurethane. These guys were skeptical when Ameraguard came up with the idea of using a promoter, so they did some testing on their own. They found it really was better than going in and scuffing up the paint on the bed. My truck bed looks great and I'm very happy with the service performed. The cost for a Chevy S-10 SB was $420 plus state tax, $444.00 Just remember, Polyurethane is Polyurethane -- look for the dealer who wants to do the job right and keep his business going.
I am going with the Line-X spray-in because of the UV stabilizers being built in. This way you shouldn't get the chalking effect. I am having it color matched to my 2000 F-250 red, code F1, so it will be a week or so to have it custom mixed. I understand that Line-X manufactures their own materials, so it should be good to have the Quality control from only one place. I went to the dealer to look at trucks in their shop & lot, and they were great. The texture was a fine pebble to give just the right amount of friction. Cost is a little higher due to the custom color & an 8' bed; About $500. Basic black is $379.
There was a question about restoring the bed liner to look like just sprayed.
I used some "Clear Guard" on part of my liner. It did restore the black color but not the shiny, just sprayed look. It would be expensive and time consuming to do the entire bed.
I have figured out what causes the black to go to charcoal in color. As that beer company says, It's the water! We have so much mineral in our tap water in LA and it causes the "Lime" in the shower and I guess the same in the truck bed. The car wash uses soft water but that only de-ionizes the water not removes the minerals. So when the water evaporates the minerals are left.
I ordered a 2000 Silverado and was considering a spray-in until I read this board. My main concern was the high friction and now I'm sure I wouldn't like it. Many many times I have loaded heavy furniture or appliances and had to slide them into place. If I had to lift them it would be a real pain (literally!).
I have a Pendaliner now and it is too slick, maybe one of the new anti-slip surfaces would be a good compromise. I also don't like the ribbed floor because it rips the metal edging off the bottom of my slide-in camper. Sometimes furniture feet get caught in the ribs and are hard to move or sit crooked. I see that Tuffliner has one that is the same shape as the floor of the truck but I'm worried about water being trapped. Does anyone have experience with a Tuffliner?
I had a MOPAR over the rail liner in my truck since 94' and all I did tho protect the bed rails was to go to a accesories dealer and purchase the same foam strips the use under toneau's abd apply it the underside of the liner base and the rail area. This set the liner up slightly so theres no rubbing on the paint. Try it,, it works.
I am picking up my toyota tundra tomorrow and I have chosen not to get the factory bedliner from toyota. I like what I have been reading about the spray on liners. Where can one have this done in 203 Connecticut area?
slyfox: www.rhinolinings.com has a dealer locator on it. Line-x @ www.line-x.com has one too I believe. A friend of mine just picked up his Tundra and the dealer installed liner was a Dura-liner, pretty good quality for a dealer item I thought.
Here are some pics of mine recently sprayed in my 2K silverado. home.swbell.net/srbreen/silverado/
Lot of talk vs the friction of the Rhino liners and I can attest that things don't slide around much at all. I loaded up the truck this weekend and had my tool box loaded w/o any tie downs and it didn't budge an inch. This is good and bad depending on what you want, I spose. If you load stuff and you depend on sliding heavy items forward I wouldn't recommend the Rhino. But if you want things to stay put when loaded, its a good way to go.
I also am debating the spray on liner vs. the typical drop in liner for my 99 Ram 1500. I have also seen some information on "do-it-yourself" brush/roll on bed liners. The kit I found costs $99.00 and will do one complete full size pickup bed. After reading some of the stories of the spray on experience, I tend to believe the only way to get it done right is to do it myself. Has anybody tried the brush/roll on liner application kits. If so, did it work well and were you satisfied with the end product. I have not been able to find good technical information on these kits, so I don't know how well they hold up. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
davids1, I've had drop-in liners (Over and under the rail types) and a spray-in. The spray-in is about twice as expensive as the drop-in. Worth every penny.
As far as the do it yourself type, I wouldn't. Today's spray-in liners are two or more polymers mixed at the gun and cure in 30 seconds or so. The do it yourself types are a thick material SIMILAR to plastic roofing cement (aka TAR). These have to air cure and may take weeks to fully cure. (Actually I don't think that they ever fully cure, 100%. But then again I'm no chemist.) I know that I could not do the application so that it would look as good as a spray-in liner. A spray-in is only about $400. A mere pittance when considering the cost of a new truck. Rich
We had a "Ultimate spray on liner" put in in our new truck and it looks great , strong and we love it however we had to have it put in 4 times!! it didn't set right 3 times and they scratched and did body damage getting the other attempts out- they fixed it all eventually however I would say if you get a spray on beware of overspray on your truck and possible scratches ..ETC look over your truck carefully before and after so you can notice if they damage your vehicle. We had this black junk all over the sides and it ended up going to the body shop to fix all the problems they created- They paid for for the repair and the liner- I am glad we have it looks great now! My neighbor has a drop in liner and it is warped and most drop ins don't custom fit your truck like a spray on liner does- they always look to big around the corners.
Not to be a Smart A** but just what I want...Four times on a spray in liner, black junk all over the side of my new 30,000 truck, and trips to the body shop. This will be my 4th truck in the last 8 years and all have had bed liners in them. Never had a problem with them at all.
Do it yourself spray in - NEVER, can't compare to getting done professionally... Like painting a car yourself. Granted some can with right equip/knowledge. In general, a no go
Spray Ins - Seen some nice, seen some not. Personally, waiting until I ruin my bed, then get spray in (they have to sand it down anyway, why when new....) Also, non-stick not gr8 at times but can be overcome...(plywood, etc)
Drop In: Not a CHEAP one, but spend a couple few hundred for Good one... matting underneath. Option I'm going with. More flexible with options (ie board dividers, etc) A bit more dent protection perhaps. If it goes kaput, has to be sanded to get spray in anyhow. Don't have to worry about overspray, bad job etc on new vehicle...
I had it sprayed on 2 years ago in my Nissan truck. The place that did it for me also gave me a free bottle of cleaner which keeps the surface clean and shiny. It is still shiny and grips still the same from Day 1.
Just a thought for you to think about. I have had both and I liked the rhino liner spray in the best mine did not chalk and I cleaned it with a non petro. cleaner and never had any trouble,and it was slick enough to move furiture on and still had some grip but not as much as a rubber mat. The cost was 350.00 with a life time gar. This was in Spokane wash. at Meili's. No spray where it diden't belong good job I was very happy.
I HAD A LINE-X SPRAYED IN MY BED AND IT WAS AND IS FLAWLESS 1.5 YEARS LATER. IV'E HAD OTHER LINERS AND NONE CAN COMPARE. IT LOOKS AND WORKS BETTER THAN ANYTHING OUT THERE. THE FIRST THING I WILL DO WITH MY NEXT TRUCK IS GET A LINE-X INSTALLED.
I had a 92 nissan with a duraliner drop in and all the paint had worn away at tha ends of the bed and would buckle under the sun. I have looked at the Rinho , scorpian, line-x and have decided on the line-x due to the uniformed texure not the cottage cheese look, the shop took the time to inform me on the process of removing bed bolts and tie downs also came with a lifetime warranty on labor and material.The shop has so much work there is a three week waiting line , must be doing something right.
I put a 'do-it-yourself' Herculiner into my paint peeled Ranger Bed two weeks ago. I didn't want a drop-in and was too cheap to spend $400+ on a spray-in to a truck with 100K miles on it. It took me about 6 hours and really looks good (follow the directions and don't get any on ya). It does not have the thickness of the Line-X and others nor does it have the slight rubbery texture. But it is non-skid, looks good, and that works for me. Durability, I'll let you know in the Spring after a fall of hunting and a winter of snow & ice.
If I where going to do another one I would spray it in though. I thing you would get better coverage and control in wear areas better that using the rollers. I have a long bed on my Ranger and only used about 2/3 of the gallon in the kit. If I would have sprayed it on I could have probably a thicker coat.
Though if I had a new truck, I would probably get a Line-X or similar spray-in
Has anyone had a problem with excessive wind noise from sunroof on 99 Nissan Frontier SE V6 4x4? Mine pops constantly despite my dealer replacing the gasket, and when the sunroof is removed it sounds like a flight of Apache helicopters in overhead, plus I have to lower my windows to equalize air pressure, even with my dash vents set to outside air.
I assume that you are considering a liner to solve this problem - why else post this here. I think you will have to get a spray in liner to solve this problem, drop in wouldn't be practical - it wouldn't fit through the sun roof.
Incicdentally, ever wondered why real trucks don't have sunroofs - just a thought.
Have a 1997 S-10 SS that is just turning 3 yrs. old. Had a spray-in liner installed right after purchase and it has been the best one I've ever seen of the so-called rhino and line-x liners. It is a product called Arma Coatings and is not avilable everywhere, I've only seen it here in Tampa, FL. It is not slick or sticky, doesn't have that rubber or cottage cheese ball texture that others have. After 3 years, it is still as shiny as the day it was installed; granted I have a tonneau and don't in any way shape or form beat the hell out of my truck. But I am still impressed after seeing some other trucks that people I know have had the spray job from somewhere else, their liners are chalky and lousy looking, chipping and peeling. The Arma-liner has a lifetime warr. and can be touched up without re-spraying the whole area. The big drawback was the.... ouch.... price.... $400 and change for a shortbed. But it has lived up to what was expected. Just curious if anyone else has heard of or had this product installed in their truck and what kind of luck they have had- I have seen it sprayed into jeep interiors also, as well as on steps and walkways in industrial applications.
I hope to pickup my 2000 Silverado next month. It is my first pickup. I believe the sprayed in liner is the way to go. Why would I want to get it right away? They are pretty permanent. Why not get a rubber mat and wait until the bed gets scratched and not looking so good before I get the spray in job.
I hope to pickup my 2000 silverado next month. It is my first pickup. I believe the sprayed in liner is the way to go. Why would I want to get it right away? They are pretty permanent. Why not get a rubber mat and wait until the bed gets scratched and not looking so good before I get the spray in job.
One of the main reasons that I had mine done right away is so it dosen't start to rust & it is easier for them to get a good grip on a ruffed up new finish than on a bed that has been cleaned the best that they can but might have a oil spill or etc. in it. Besides I haven't seen prices going down only up and they are gar. for the life of your ownership so do it now is the way I look at it.
I am thinking seriously of getting the BedRug from Wise Industries. I don't think it should shift around, it gives a flat soft surface, it costs around $350, it doesn't hurt the existing bed paint, it would protect against dents, and it comes out. I probably wouldn't put sand and gravel directly on it but even that would probably just vacuum or blow off.
Nashville, has anyone used the shop there and if so how would you rate the job and product. They are the only game in town, but there are other options if they run a sloppy operation. As several posts have mentioned, the quality of workmanship is really the secret to a good product and being happy with a product decision. So, if there is any word out there about Line-X of Nashville I wouldn't mind hearing about it. The owner e-mailed me today and sounded friendly and knowledegable, but I would like to hear from his customers! Thanks in advance for any comments.
I am thinking about the bedrug also....The guy who owns the local truck accessory store has one in his truck. He has a cap cover on it though. I don't know if I would get one if the bed didn't have some kind of cover. I am thinking of getting the bedrug with a Roll Top Cover from Pace Edwards. Anyone know anything about it??? http://www.pace-edwards.com
Just got home from the truck accesary store. Looked at PendaLiners. Store also sells Duraliners but the salesman said their quality has not been as good lately. Anyone out there had a PendaLiner and how do you like it? The price quoted is $179 installed. also looked at MAAP nerf bars. Polished stainless steel. Looked like chrome to me. Also I have a Roll-N-Lock cover on my current truck. Like it except the edge that goes up against the tailgate gets to hot to handle in the summer time. It locks into the tailgate unlike Pace-Edwards that needs a seperate lock for the tail gate. Also looked at the Specialty Covers electric bed cover. Rolls up at the touch of a button on the dash or remote. Its advantage is it can be closed to any position whereas The PE and RNL have 4 positions. The latch on the RNL is stiff to operate and my wife has trouble with it. I've got about a month to decide on all these accessaries before my truck arrives. ...... Rich
I picked up my 2000 Chevy Jul 12. I am putting a fith wheel hitch in and have done quite a bit of research. I had a drop-in in my last truck and I hated it. Line-X appears to be the favorite over Rhino. The specs are far better, you can mount the hitch on top of the sprayin (holds 4K psi compared to 1500 for Rhino).The cost is similar. The finish on line-X is far better (not cottage cheesy, but sufficient for slippage while still allowing some sliding for loading/unloading). My local dealer has been extremely helpful and hasn't bashed the competitors, but provided fair and informative comparison info. I'm sold.
I would be interested in the price and any other info on the Specialty Covers electric bed cover. I was leaning toward the Pace Edward but this sounds interesting.
Also any recommendation on where to find 8 lug custom rims that don't look like their from the 60's-70's?
I was quoted $1100 installed plus $50 for a remote. Also a tailgate lock is needed. The dealer had some that go over/replace the tailgate handle for $38. These would work with the Pace Edwards too. The Roll-N-Lock cover was $993 installed and it needs to tailgate lock as it locks into the tailgate. ..... Rich
I've always had good service with National Tire and Wheel(mail order) in Wheeling WV. Good prices and no sales tax. Also, if you need tires, they will mount and balance as part of the package. The wheels I am currently running(8 lug GM) are custom made steel wheels made by Stockton wheel in(guess?) Stockton CA. Nothing fancy, just durable and they look good on my truck, painted them black. Pick up a truck magazine(4 Wheeler etc..) for the phone #'s and pictures of wheel styles.
I had a rhino liner put in this past Monday. It came out mint. $300 worth every penny. I see too many warped drop-ins out there. Spray is the way to go
I just bought a 99' F-250 and asked the dealer for a Rhino liner because I had one in my 97' F-150 and it was great. He told me Rhinos' cost too much and recommended me a cheaper version. I'm not sure what he had sprayed (still fighting this battle) but I "think" it was speedliner. Now, 5 months later it's bubbling up and peeling off. Now I have to have it removed or replace the bed. I'd stick with Rhino!
The dealer applying the liner should also be checked out to make sure he has a good track record. I did some research before I narrowed it down to Line-X and Rhino. I opted for the Line-X and it has worked great. I think their website is www.line-x.com.
Before I had my Rhino installed, I called the shop and asked if they had one there that I could look at. They did and that's when I made my decision to have it done. Spray in liners are only as good as the guy who does it. LOOK AT THEIR WORK FIRST! Once it's done there's no turning back. By the way, when I went to look at their work my cousin's son came out of the back room. He's the one who does them. I didn't even know he worked there. He knocked off $100 and did a great job. I admit I lucked out on this one!! I don't have a Line-X dealer here in Boston, closest one was 50 miles away. For me that wasn't an option. I haven't seen a Line-X. But, I'm totally satisfied with the Rhino.
Been looking for a spray in for my 2K Dakota and looked at Rhino Line-X and Speedliners. The specs show speedliner as the strongest. All three manufaturers are about the same in price for black. I was trying to get a color but only speedliner dealer can do color. What about Line-x and color? There website shows color. How is the color stability for thouse with something other than black?
Also, can you through a load of dirt or gravel and run your shovel down the bed length with a spray in?
I know that Rhino liner's come in colors at my dealer. Maybe it's up to the dealer whether or not to offer colors. The Rhino's are over 1/4" thick. I have used a shovel on mine and didn't have a problem. Just be carefull not to gouge it. They are very tough. Hose out any remaining dirt that's left. They clean up nicely. GOOD LUCK..........JLOCO
P.S. Read #195 from sherwood1 concerning a "speedliner". Like I said before. Look at their work. Try to get the name of a person who's truck they did 6 months to a year ago. Call them and ask how it's holding up. If they believe in their product they will have no trouble giving you some referrals. Again, GOOD LUCK......JLOCO
Has anyone figured out the cost break even point between the Dodge Ram 2500 V10 and the Cummins diesel? I figure I may put 150,000 miles on the truck in the next 10 years and wonder if I would recover the extra cost of the diesel over that time. I know the diesel will give me better fuel economy but the towing ability is about the same for either engine. Also what about the cost of maintaining the two engines over this period.
dekingk, I have a Line-X in my truck. It is about 18 months old now and no problems except.... The Line-X black turns more of a charcoal color due to the smog and carwash soap. I'm sure that if you go with either a Line-X or Rhino liner your diesel more than pay for itself in about 150,000 miles. Rich
The cummins will last forever, but its upkeep cost are higher, its much more inconvinient for short trips (warm up and cool down). and has to be shut off in drive thrus (banks, fast food, etc ) to be heard. I would pick the V10 for my use as I have lots of short trips and few long. The V10 stats are as good as the diesel and v10 owners I have talked to in camp grounds are pleased with its power (as well as the diesel). If you could afford another vehicle for around town and drive the diesel on the road it might make sense, that is unless you want to lisen to music. Since I will not drive a vehicle more than 35 - 50K the diesel will not pay for itself. Rich
Linex charges $150. MORE in my town for colors. They want $429 for black.(full size short box) and $150 more for the color. Does anyone know anything about Gator liners? They use a poly eurea? and it is a little cheaper. Still goes on at 150 degrees F. I Think some of the Linex cost is with the franchise and its related costs
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We have 3 different franchise that do the Polyurethane spray in liners in the St. Louis, MO area. My intention was to go with Rhino. After checking the shop out and questioning technique I ruled them out because he wasn't going to follow the procedure that "Rhino" instructed him to do.
He wanted big bucks, was going to be lazy about earning it. If your going to spend $400-$600 it's worth your while to meet with the people doing the work and ask alot of questions. I choose Ameraguard who has only 1 shop in the St. Charles MO area. I met with John and Drew Ferguson, Manager. They showed me the process and allowed me to stick around. They answered every question and gave me suggestions on aftermarket items and where to get them even though all they do is spraying. 60% of their work comes from dealerships. They've been in the business here for 6 months. Ameraguard started out in Canada but more offices are opening up around the country.
These guys have put in a sprayed bed liner in one of their trucks for the purpose of trying to destroy the liner. They've had gravel, dirt pavers, boulders etc dropped in. They even told the guy with the fork lift to scrape the bed to see if he could tear it up. It's holding up beautifully. Their process is sprayed on hot. Instead of sanding your bed they use an adhesive promoter that is painted on before application of the polyurethane. These guys were skeptical when Ameraguard came up with the idea of using a promoter, so they did some testing on their own. They found it really was better than going in and scuffing up the paint on the bed. My truck bed looks great and I'm very happy with the service performed. The cost for a Chevy S-10 SB was $420 plus state tax, $444.00
Just remember, Polyurethane is Polyurethane -- look for the dealer who wants to do the job right and keep his business going.
I used some "Clear Guard" on part of my liner. It did restore the black color but not the shiny, just sprayed look. It would be expensive and time consuming to do the entire bed.
I have figured out what causes the black to go to charcoal in color. As that beer company says, It's the water! We have so much mineral in our tap water in LA and it causes the "Lime" in the shower and I guess the same in the truck bed. The car wash uses soft water but that only de-ionizes the water not removes the minerals. So when the water evaporates the minerals are left.
Rich
I have a Pendaliner now and it is too slick, maybe one of the new anti-slip surfaces would be a good compromise. I also don't like the ribbed floor because it rips the metal edging off the bottom of my slide-in camper. Sometimes furniture feet get caught in the ribs and are hard to move or sit crooked. I see that Tuffliner has one that is the same shape as the floor of the truck but I'm worried about water being trapped. Does anyone have experience with a Tuffliner?
Here are some pics of mine recently sprayed in my 2K silverado.
home.swbell.net/srbreen/silverado/
Lot of talk vs the friction of the Rhino liners and I can attest that things don't slide around much at all. I loaded up the truck this weekend and had my tool box loaded w/o any tie downs and it didn't budge an inch. This is good and bad depending on what you want, I spose. If you load stuff and you depend on sliding heavy items forward I wouldn't recommend the Rhino. But if you want things to stay put when loaded, its a good way to go.
I've had drop-in liners (Over and under the rail types) and a spray-in. The spray-in is about twice as expensive as the drop-in. Worth every penny.
As far as the do it yourself type, I wouldn't. Today's spray-in liners are two or more polymers mixed at the gun and cure in 30 seconds or so. The do it yourself types are a thick material SIMILAR to plastic roofing cement (aka TAR). These have to air cure and may take weeks to fully cure. (Actually I don't think that they ever fully cure, 100%. But then again I'm no chemist.) I know that I could not do the application so that it would look as good as a spray-in liner. A spray-in is only about $400. A mere pittance when considering the cost of a new truck.
Rich
Spray Ins - Seen some nice, seen some not. Personally, waiting until I ruin my bed, then get spray in (they have to sand it down anyway, why when new....) Also, non-stick not gr8 at times but can be overcome...(plywood, etc)
Drop In: Not a CHEAP one, but spend a couple few hundred for Good one... matting underneath. Option I'm going with. More flexible with options (ie board dividers, etc) A bit more dent protection perhaps. If it goes kaput, has to be sanded to get spray in anyhow. Don't have to worry about overspray, bad job etc on new vehicle...
My 2 1/2 cents
If I where going to do another one I would spray it in though. I thing you would get better coverage and control in wear areas better that using the rollers. I have a long bed on my Ranger and only used about 2/3 of the gallon in the kit. If I would have sprayed it on I could have probably a thicker coat.
Though if I had a new truck, I would probably get a Line-X or similar spray-in
noise from sunroof on 99 Nissan Frontier SE V6
4x4? Mine pops constantly despite my dealer
replacing the gasket, and when the sunroof is removed it sounds like a flight of Apache helicopters in overhead, plus I have to lower
my windows to equalize air pressure, even with
my dash vents set to outside air.
Incicdentally, ever wondered why real trucks don't have sunroofs - just a thought.
Sarcasm is a true art form!
Rich
Had a spray-in liner installed right after purchase and it has been the best one I've ever seen of the so-called rhino and line-x liners.
It is a product called Arma Coatings and is not avilable everywhere, I've only seen it here in Tampa, FL. It is not slick or sticky, doesn't have that rubber or cottage cheese ball texture that others have. After 3 years, it is still as shiny as the day it was installed; granted I have a tonneau and don't in any way shape or form beat the hell out of my truck. But I am still impressed after seeing some other trucks that people I know have had the spray job from somewhere else, their liners are chalky and lousy looking, chipping and peeling.
The Arma-liner has a lifetime warr. and can be touched up without re-spraying the whole area.
The big drawback was the.... ouch.... price.... $400 and change for a shortbed. But it has lived up to what was expected.
Just curious if anyone else has heard of or had this product installed in their truck and what kind of luck they have had- I have seen it sprayed into jeep interiors also, as well as on steps and walkways in industrial applications.
Has anyone tried the BedRug?
Bill
http://www.pace-edwards.com
I would be interested in the price and any other info on the Specialty Covers electric bed cover. I was leaning toward the Pace Edward but this sounds interesting.
Also any recommendation on where to find 8 lug custom rims that don't look like their from the 60's-70's?
How do these liners protect against denting, etc? Are they thick enough?
Has anybody hauled gravel or coal in a truck with a spray-in liner? What does a shovel do to the liner?
If I were to get the spray-in folks to attempt to match color to the truck (bronze), how close can they get? Anybody tried to match colors yet?
Thanks in advance
Eric
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JLOCO
Jloco
Also, can you through a load of dirt or gravel and run your shovel down the bed length with a spray in?
Thanks
Kurtis
The Rhino's are over 1/4" thick. I have used a shovel on mine and didn't have a problem. Just be carefull not to gouge it. They are very tough. Hose out any remaining dirt that's left. They clean up nicely.
GOOD LUCK..........JLOCO
I have a Line-X in my truck. It is about 18 months old now and no problems except.... The Line-X black turns more of a charcoal color due to the smog and carwash soap. I'm sure that if you go with either a Line-X or Rhino liner your diesel more than pay for itself in about 150,000 miles.
Rich