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Cummins or Navistar
Ive decieded to buy a new one ton deisel x-cab
dually. I just can't decied between Ford and Dodge.
I would be getting a five speed Dodge or a six
speed Ford. Anhy help is much appreciated.
dually. I just can't decied between Ford and Dodge.
I would be getting a five speed Dodge or a six
speed Ford. Anhy help is much appreciated.
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The two are very close over all, and when they both have a six speed behind them and the same rear end ratio, it will be a toss up. Both diesels are great, and its a tuff choice. Its a no loose situation.
If you have never owned a diesel its will amaze you what awesome power they can deliver. Not tire smoking power, but pulling power. You have to experience it, it can't be explained.
i was going to say, remember the diesels of old that were very cost effective to buy, and lasted forever, they just didn't have quite the horsepower they do now.
The dealers generally don't make it easy for those who want choice. True, those vehicles are available, but you probably will have to order it from the factory if you want specific items. I think most dealers (unless you go to a "truck only" dealer) stock vehicles with a lot of luxury items, hoping that the customer will (A) be seduced by that stuff, and (B) the customer finds it easier (and certainly quicker) to buy something right off the lot.
Bob
Besides, the goodies make the vehicle acceptable for quite a few years longer. Typically I would trade my stripped down vehicles every two to three years. Once I realized how little the goodies cost, my vehicles became comfortable and usable for much longer. Now I'm going 6 & 7 years between new vehicles.
Rich
if the new 4R100 lives up to its billing, you should be able to hand-shift that as well as the E4OD. Ford, to their credit, still uses a "2 only" position on the HD automatics, instead of the "2" being 1-2. I hand-shift my 47RE in my Ram quite a bit, and it works pretty well against the diesel.
This goes back to the whole outsourcing thing. Chrysler and Ford went out and bought suitable engines from experienced diesel manufacturers. GM made the 6.2 in house - and don't let anyone lie and tell you the 6.2/6.5 is a Detroit Diesel. The engine was transferred to DD from Chevrolet during the mid-80s division reorganization, then the engine was returned when DD was sold to Penske.
Had they wanted to, GM could have asked Detroit to make a good diesel - a lot of old C/K owners have plopped the 6V53 turbo in their trucks with great results.
So Detroit is under Penske? I didn't know that. Right on about outsourcing; I just wish that the UAW would see it to. Gotta save the 20% that aren't worth a damn but lining the Bosses pockets. Sometimes I don't see too many differences between a cult and unions in the way their following behaves.
Question about "being returned". Returned the engine back to Detroit or GM?
When Penske bought Detroit Diesel from GM, the 6.5 V8 diesel was returned to GM, as Penske did not wish to build it. It is listed as a GM diesel now, not a Chevy diesel as the original 6.2 was.
Personally, I think that the Powerstroke drives nicer around town. I will admit that I'm getting jelous of the 22-24mpg statements from the Dodge owners though, with the new PSD numbers sounding more like 18-20 at best.
Just as glad Dodge doesn't make a crew cab -- then I'd actually have to decide between them.
Ford owned a small percentage (about 5-10%) of Cummins stock, because they use Cummins as their standard diesel engine in medium and heavy trucks (class 6-7-8), as do many other heavy truck builders. Chrysler has an exclusive contract with Cummins in the lower weight classes. Both Chrysler and Ford have a seat on the Cummins board of directors (as of last year - haven't seen the latest boardmember list).
In 1996, Chrysler DID extend their agreement with Cummins into the next decade; use of the ISB was step one, and Cummins is already working on the next engine for the Ram, currently scheduled for summer of 2002 for the 2003 models. Ford then extended their agreement with Navistar after seeing the success of the factory turbocharged Powerstroke (and the 1999 version is the result of THAT agreement). Ford also sold their heavy truck line to Freightliner (Sterling) and paired the medium duty line to just the F800, knowing they would be making the 550 from the new SD chassis. Thus, Ford saw no need to maintain its stock holdings in Cummins, as they would not be using as many Cummins engines as before, and sold them all back in the spring of 1997.
Ford still uses the Cummins ISB as the standard diesel offering in the F800, and it's simply a higher output version of what the Ram uses. You can also get the Cummins ISC (8.3 liter six) in the F800 as well if I recall correctly. They have also asked Navistar to develop a smaller diesel for the F150/F250LD/Expedition/Navigator chassis to compete wwith the GM 6.5 in the half-ton market.
The rumor pretty much amounted to this: because Ford owned Cummins stock, there was the mistaken statement made that they owned the *company*. This led to what was believed to be an obvious conflict of interest for Cummins, leading to the incorrect speculation that Cummins would drop Chrysler and go with their new "parent". The truth was, Ford never had enough stock to be a controlling interest; they felt they were a large enough customer at the time they bought the stock, and saw it simply as protecting the relationship.
End result:
Ford has an extended contract with Navistar, and is looking for more product from them. Chrysler has an extended agreement with Cummins and is waiting for the next new engine. And Ford currently owns NO part of Cummins. That was made VERY clear in press releases by both Ford and Cummins last year when Ford sold the stock back.
One of my favorite customs is the CC short bed with the rear of an extended cab clipped on. 4 full seats, and interior storage. That, I would probably buy.
Does anyone know if Dodge plans on coming out with a Crew Cab. I really want to buy a Dodge Ram but, need the space of a Crew Cab. If they don't plan on it soon it looks like I will have to settle for a Powerstroke.
Yes there are plans to release a Ram Crew cab for the 99' model year. I spoke directly with the western Canada new products and service rep and he said it and the 6 spd should be available to the public for Jan 99'.
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