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Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon



  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    Judging from your post, it looks like you haven't test driven the TS. The hp would be a major factor to me. Although, I came from a 137 h.p. Outback Sport so there was a bigger gap in h.p. It was tough getting back into that car after test driving a WRX. :-)

    I wouldn't let any differences in the Subaru all wheel drive systems affect my purchase. As a matter of fact, the owner of my dealership doesn't let it affect what he drives. His wife drives an LL Bean, which has the same AWD split as the TS. Some are more advanced than others [VTD, VDC, LSD, etc.] but all are very effective.

  • Hmmm... this is starting to turn into a WRX/Wrangler board...

    I did a little offroading with a friend of mine that had a Tacoma (same underpinnings as the last gen 4-Runner, I think). He seemed to have a lot of trouble keeping my lines. It seemed like the longer body on his truck tended to bottom out more.

    I think the big problem with the stock Wrangler is that although it is very capable, most new wrangler owners (myself included) expect it to tackle absolutely ANYTHING, which of course, will get you into trouble quick...

    Now, back to our regularly scheduled WRX program...
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    Yeah, Stephen.
    You're only allowed to post that stuff in the Subaru Crew Cafe. :-D ;-)

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The Taco has a lot longer overhang in the rear (most pickups do).

  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    it's not my's Mike's, LOL!!! You know, I always have to get the last word in (oops...did it again ???) :-)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The TS has its own appeal, in that its cheap, efficient, and still fun. I prefer the Outback Sport, with better wheels and tires for not a lot more, plus the roof rack. Both get a torquey 2.5l that has more grunt than a WRX below 3000rpm and uses regular fuel.

    I'd buy a WRX wagon, but if it were for my lil' sis, I'd recommend the OBS.

  • WarpDriveWarpDrive Posts: 506
    If you just want a utility car to get you around in the winter, the TS is a very nice way to go. But if I bought a RS or TS, I'd always be going "man, I coulda have a turbo" and would be eyeing those WRX's.

    Seriously, the TS's engine is torquier at low revs but not as smooth overall. And the handling is softer and more rolly-polly all around. Certainly, it loses the edginess that the WRX has that makes it such a fun car to drive.
  • ponmponm Posts: 139
    Holy c*%#, did I just see someone use the word neener. I thought only my wife used that word.
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    It was me!!! :-) Hey, how's the new truck??

  • ugly1ugly1 Posts: 52
    I can't believe all of the input. Thanks. You people are so active on this board. The last post on the TT board was Nov. 27. So now the question is, should I wait for the '04 wagon? From what I hear there's a heated seat and moon roof option? And it arrives in March? I'm guessing pricing will be about the same? Thanks again for all the input.

    John (Ugly1 is in reference to the TT from the term, It's so ugly it's beautiful)
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    Yes, I would wait if it were me (and if you can). I knew the WRX was going to be redesigned some time ago but I still wanted to get the '03.
    My lease was ending and I just *had* to get more power. :-)
    I love the heated seats, side view mirrors and heated windshield in my wife's Outback. There will probably be a slight bump in price IMHO.

  • dsattlerdsattler Posts: 135
    Although we know for sure that the moon roof and winter package will be available options on the sedan, there's some questions as to whether they'll be available on the wagon. even Subaru of America reps don't seem to know, and may not until the cars arrive. No one's sure about pricing, either, though most doubt it will change much. By the by, our Toyota van has heated seats and it's been under 20 degrees here recently; there's nothing like toasting your buns on a cold winter morning.
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    Mmmm... heated seats
    I'm truly missing them. Gotten spoiled by Al' Gator ['98 OB]. The yearn for it grew more so last night in paisan's bus. 13 degree F "aw.... ah.... mmm... nice toastie toosh".

    Missed the heated mirrors too. :(

    I'm sure it will too be available on the wagon.
    You should still be able to make it available if otherwise.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    John: yes, I'd wait. I happen to love moonroofs, so why miss out if you like them too? The heated seats are another bonus. I'm glad to see more substantial items on the options list, instead of just "fake carbon fiber trim".

    Even if those options are not offered, which would surprise me, you still get the updated look and the new engine tuning (for better low end torque, supposedly). The new headlights and taillights look better IMO.

  • corkfishcorkfish Posts: 537
    Moonroof will likely add some weight. I received a brochure in the mail on the 04 model and the torque and horsepower figures are identical to previous years. Peak HP and peak torque are at the same rpms (227 hp @ 6000, 217 lbs @4000). I don't know if that necessarily means that it couldn't start to kick in earlier, but I haven't heard anything to suggest that the motor will be slighly improved.
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    It was either the JDM or Euro WRX's that reported some better response down low.

  • wrxsoon1wrxsoon1 Posts: 158
    I certainly hope the moonroof and cold weather package are available on the '04 wagon. I'm holding out for a new one as well. I'm also hoping they do whatever was done to the overseas engines as well for that extra power down low. If not, oh well, at least I'll have a warm toosh and a view of the sky above my head!

  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    The JDM model definetly got some engine improvements to improve low-end response. I recall reading somewhere that the turbo feels like it kicks in about 500rpm lower than the previous model.

    However, I don't know if the US model will get the improvements. The JDM model uses a slightly different engine.

  • subwaysubway Posts: 2
    Ever since I bought a WRX Wagon I am facing a headache that I never felt with my previous car, a Honda Civic. At the stop lights all kinds of cars try to race me. They try to cut in front of me usually in an aggressive manner. They will overspeed excessively just to get ahead of me. All the while I will be driving in a normal fashion, i.e, respecting the speed limits and showing common courtsey to fellow road users. I am exasperated at these "kids" some of whom drive souped up pickup trucks, SUVs and the ocassional Audi. It's tough to maintain a cool demeanor in such circumstances. WRX drivers on the other hand, I observed, tend to drive leisurely with not a worry in the world.
  • corkfishcorkfish Posts: 537
    That's one of the reasons I'd get the wagon instead of the sedan. I don't want to be noticed, but still want the fun factor! The WRX wagon is really the only sleeper you can buy these days.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    someone last spring who holds a very important position in the federal government, and who also owns a WRX. He commented on the same thing. We laughed over it.

  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    They have something to prove I guess.
    I call it dire need to mask a deficiency 'bout themselves.

  • wrxsoon1wrxsoon1 Posts: 158
    OK. I finally did it. I test drove a WRX Wagon. WOW! That about sums it up. ;-)

    I really liked it. It was much more responsive than I was expecting in regards to low end acceleration. Then again I'm coming from a pretty anemic Honda Civic. It was surprisingly smooth and quiet on the freeway. The standard stereo sounded great (that coming from an admitted NON-audiophile). Also felt very well balanced in some twisties I found. Definitely a great car.

  • mkarpdmkarpd Posts: 4
    I got a quote on an 03 wagon for 500 over invoice ($22,800 roughly). Does anyone know when for sure the 04 will be available? Is the MSRP going to increase with the new style? I am going to need a new ride soon, not sure how long I can wait.
    I test drove a sedan a few months ago, any diference with the wagon?
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    subway: That deserves a LOL! Many WRX owners apparently know what they have and don't need to take the bait and prove it. I'd have to say that SoA hit the nail on the head with their current WRX print ad campaign: "Careful where you point that thing."

  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    As it is on topic, I will share a story my father emailed me yesterday. He knows I want to get a WRX (he used to Road Rally Audis in SCCA and raced all manner of cars from MG Midgets to Mustang GTs on SCCA road courses -- so he is partly to blame for my desire for a WRX!).

    He related this tale which has the message, if you buy a WRX, you have to use your super powers for good . . . .


    My father drives a Lincoln LS. Here is his story:

    "I meant to tell you about an encounter I had recently with a black WRX here in Michigan. We were both eastbound on Ottawa Beach Road and it was a bit slippery due to a snowfall that had occurred a hour or so before. I had caught up with him and passed him and then the road curved fairly hard to the left, by the bakery, so I had my hands full getting around that corner without sliding. I made it but clearly I was taking a chance. He must have seen all of this as a challenge because he really sped up to catch me. I saw that and upped my speed some more. Now he must have really felt challenged because he raised the ante ( speed ) again. He finally caught me just before a stop light so he then had to get on the binders big time to not run the light.

    The point of all this is that he seemed to believe it was his duty to uphold the WRX's reputation. Therefore if you get a WRX eventually, expect to be challenged because there really is no such thing as a sleeper to the automotively aware."
  • nine51nine51 Posts: 78
    Happens less with the wagon, but I know what you mean. I usually just give them a bored to tears look, and mouth the words "don't waist my time". It usually ticks them off and they do something dumb. I'm not risking my license or my car because of some wanna be boy racer.

    02WRX Wagon
  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    your father is lucky he didn't wrap his LS around a pole.

    everyone knows the stats on paper. in the real world the "winner" is usually whomever is dumber and bolder, not who has the best machine or is even the best driver.

  • rexaroorexaroo Posts: 174
    This really points out a dilemma faced by all us
    WRX drivers. We want to have a little fun and enjoy the many delights this car has to offer (or why bother owning one?), but we don't want to drive in such a way that makes us look like total jackasses-- or worse, gets us into a bad wreck or creates a dangerous situation that might get others hurt.

    Personally, I think all these guys want to race us
    because there is a certain mystique about the Rex.
    We're the new kid on the block and they want to see how good we are. Seems to me it's a kind of a compliment in a way. So, if the coast is clear and it looks safe, I usually oblige them with a little demonstration of what the Rex has to
    "offer". They invariably show a little more respect after that ;-)
  • epp1epp1 Posts: 48
    ...I work in a Mpls suburb where the high school kids drive more expensive cars than I do. Inevitably, at lunch time or on my way home some kid in a late model Whatever, wants to roll.

    Honestly, I try my best not to take the bait - but I am a weak man in that respect.

    Point in case, three Eminem wannabes in a tricked out Audi 1.8T pulled up next to me trying to "mad-dog" me at an on ramp red light. It was on...from 1st to halfway through 2nd gear RPMs - then I just walked away up to about 75mph (in a 65mph zone) and I tapered it down to the speed limit.

    Of course, these kids felt the need for a 90+ "fly-by" to theoretically show me up even after having their collective asses handed to them 10 seconds prior by a station wagon with bike and ski racks on top!

    All I could do was laugh...

    Forever contemplating pulling the trigger on a host of Godspeed parts upgrades. Honestly, I do not "need" a faster car, then again, I didn't "need" to trade in my wife's Accord for the WRX...

    29 going on 16,

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